Government Tax Revenue 2009....must look...we need to increase tariffs on imports!

Originally posted by brainwrek
Want to help the economy?

The solution is simple: Eliminate all unconstitutional spending.

No bs "entitlement" programs.

No foreign aid.

No welfare of any kind, be it corporate or individual.

No payments to the UN.

Nothing.

Only those expenditures outlined in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution.

There is the solution to the problem.

So what say you to all the people who have paid into SS and medicare their whole lives?

How about the people who have no jobs?

You think you are going to have a good time with people literally starving IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

When article 1 was penned there where heards of Buffalo and land to CLAIM, I do not think tens of millions can live off the land which all privately owned now. You are not referencing this day in age, which is a great way to fabricate a solution which is unusable at this point in time. So tell me what of the FACT that there is far less
employment than the eager unemployed, what becomes of them?

reply to post by brainwrek

The solution is simple: Eliminate all unconstitutional spending.

Yes, that's simple alright but it can't be done. Doing all of that would completely collapse the entire system. That is not reasonable. Whether you want to believe it or not..you ARE reliant on the system as it is....for all of it's glory and it's numerous failings.

Cutting off entitlement programs such as unemployment, SS, and medicare would unleash a hell we haven't seen in our lifetime.

It can't be done...and I would fight it to the end as my father's life depends on SS and medicare. Casualties of society will always need protection. It can happen to any of us and despite your hatred of it....if you were on your death bed...with life and death teetering on the decision of taking medicare benefits or not...you would take it.

Anyone who didn't have a deathwish would do the same.

reply to post by Janky Red


A) All land is NOT privately owned. Nowhere near actually.

B) Human beings have a remarkable talent for not only surviving, but thriving when faced with adversity, in whatever form is comes in.

How many of these "eagerly waiting to be employed" people do you think are sitting at home thinking outside the box right now? Taking computer tutorials online to further broaden their knowledge and perhaps opening up new possibilities for employment. My guess is not many.

How many have come up with a great little idea and started their own business?

There are jobs out there, but now employers can be a little pickier when it comes to who they hire. The best qualified people will get hired, while those with little to no skills will remain a drain on the rest of us.

I live in Las Vegas a fairly decent sized metro area, and between the local newspaper and Craigslist, there are literally thousands of jobs out there for the taking.

Sure businesses are downsizing and putting hiring freezes in place. That means the unemployed better stop watching tv and start thinking for themselves if they want to survive.

It is not the duty, nor the responsibility for those of us with jobs to subsidize those without.

reply to post by Janky Red

So therefore he is doing a Beck too, the whole lot of them all full of turd.

Oh...but it's all socialist health care remember? I also remember this little thread I made showing who was lobbying for Martha Coakley in Massuchussets....Big Pharma and the Health Insurance industry was gladly willing to fork over money for her campaign....did it get any attention on ATS?

NOPE.

Everyone ignored it. It was never socialized health care in the sense of what socialized is. IT was essentially another handout to corporate America as Obama had already cut deals with him before the bill had even come to light.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

At what point are people going to look at their role in this machine?

More people will have to lose everything before they see it...it's already started a little I believe...but it will continue as unemployment goes up. The wealthiest are screaming everyone down right now...but eventually the tide is going to turn....and that is essentially WHY they are screaming in the first place....and IMO....that is why we have Glen Beck.

Now i've got to go to bed...looking at 4 hours sleep...luckily it's friday!

Originally posted by brainwrek
reply to post by Janky Red

 

A) All land is NOT privately owned. Nowhere near actually.

B) Human beings have a remarkable talent for not only surviving, but thriving when faced with adversity, in whatever form is comes in.

How many of these "eagerly waiting to be employed" people do you think are sitting at home thinking outside the box right now? Taking computer tutorials online to further broaden their knowledge and perhaps opening up new possibilities for employment. My guess is not many.

How many have come up with a great little idea and started their own business?

There are jobs out there, but now employers can be a little pickier when it comes to who they hire. The best qualified people will get hired, while those with little to no skills will remain a drain on the rest of us.

I live in Las Vegas a fairly decent sized metro area, and between the local newspaper and Craigslist, there are literally thousands of jobs out there for the taking.

Sure businesses are downsizing and putting hiring freezes in place. That means the unemployed better stop watching tv and start thinking for themselves if they want to survive.

It is not the duty, nor the responsibility for those of us with jobs to subsidize those without.

You speak as if MANY of those people did not pay into the system to ensure some sort of income if they got laidoff. In fact you have the same thing there for you, you are lucky you do not have to use it. I fear you may be saying that most people enjoy being unemployed, is that what you are getting at? I ask because many seem to believe that lock stock.

To make it short, you seem to think everyone has a mind for business, or enough capital to start the "little" idea. Frankly it sounds like a pretty fairy tale, it does not account for the fact that if most people had the capacity to do as you suggest, there
would not be a problem.

Finally, I am not sure how you expect ten of millions of people who do not have such a capacity to be chipper businessmen to do. Because I think if my family were starving and it was my last option I might just break the law. Crime is not always a lack of morality, belly is far more motivating than the good word unfortunately.


In my case you will be paying 3 1/2 times the amount to house me in jail, or hopefully just paying a couple hundred towards my pine box and the back hoe.

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by brainwrek
Want to help the economy?

The solution is simple: Eliminate all unconstitutional spending.

No bs "entitlement" programs.

No foreign aid.

No welfare of any kind, be it corporate or individual.

No payments to the UN.

Nothing.

Only those expenditures outlined in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution.

There is the solution to the problem.

So what say you to all the people who have paid into SS and medicare their whole lives?

How about the people who have no jobs?

You think you are going to have a good time with people literally starving IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

When article 1 was penned there where heards of Buffalo and land to CLAIM, I do not think tens of millions can live off the land which all privately owned now. You are not referencing this day in age, which is a great way to fabricate a solution which is unusable at this point in time. So tell me what of the FACT that there is far less
employment than the eager unemployed, what becomes of them?

You know what I say to people who have no jobs?

Get off your lazy a** and go apply for a job. I worked at Walmart for 3 years as a high school student and I learned that ANYONE can work at Walmart. Anyone. You apply-you get hired. So saying "I can't find a job" means your not trying. Stop trying to be particular and only look for only jobs you would enjoy because your lucky you can even make money. I made enough money as a high school student to buy plenty of food each week and pay my cell phone bill, car insurance, and put money into my college fund and still have money left over. It's about being responsible. That's the reason we are in such a crappy economic period - because all that people want to do is buy buy buy and then guess what...they run out of money and go into debt. We all need to be responsible with our own life and make choices that will help ourselves live happy, healthy lives AND provide for any children you might have.

Before I was born and up to when I was a few years old, there were some weeks that my parents didn't think they could even buy groceries for me and my sister to have (and they did not buy ANYTHING our family didn't need). We suffered a LOT financially and were lucky to have grandparents to go to some weekends to get a good meal. One day my dad decided that he didn't want to put my whole family through this anymore...so he changed jobs. He worked day and night. My family slowly got on track to being financially stable. Since then, my parents have saved the money for me to go to college, I have a decent car to drive, I am eating well and happy, I now have a job and am saving for my first house and a car. My parents are VERY well off now despite not having the best paying job in the world.

See! My parents took the responsibility to DO SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR LIVES. They never asked the government for any aid. The chose to make things better and did so all on their own. And thanks to them, now i'm better off.

People are lazy to just sit around and complain and say they can't find a job. Blah blah blah...thats crap. The same people are the ones who sit around and expect the government to pay for everything.

So no, I don't have sympathy for people who are jobless. I'll be more than happy to put in a reccomendation for them at Walmart.

And might I add that Government stidcking their hands into OUR lives does NOTHING for the economy. Nothing.

Originally posted by Jibblin

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by brainwrek
Want to help the economy?

The solution is simple: Eliminate all unconstitutional spending.

No bs "entitlement" programs.

No foreign aid.

No welfare of any kind, be it corporate or individual.

No payments to the UN.

Nothing.

Only those expenditures outlined in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution.

There is the solution to the problem.

So what say you to all the people who have paid into SS and medicare their whole lives?

How about the people who have no jobs?

You think you are going to have a good time with people literally starving IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

When article 1 was penned there where heards of Buffalo and land to CLAIM, I do not think tens of millions can live off the land which all privately owned now. You are not referencing this day in age, which is a great way to fabricate a solution which is unusable at this point in time. So tell me what of the FACT that there is far less
employment than the eager unemployed, what becomes of them?

You know what I say to people who have no jobs?

Get off your lazy a** and go apply for a job. I worked at Walmart for 3 years as a high school student and I learned that ANYONE can work at Walmart. Anyone. You apply-you get hired. So saying "I can't find a job" means your not trying. Stop trying to be particular and only look for only jobs you would enjoy because your lucky you can even make money. I made enough money as a high school student to buy plenty of food each week and pay my cell phone bill, car insurance, and put money into my college fund and still have money left over. It's about being responsible. That's the reason we are in such a crappy economic period - because all that people want to do is buy buy buy and then guess what...they run out of money and go into debt. We all need to be responsible with our own life and make choices that will help ourselves live happy, healthy lives AND provide for any children you might have.

Before I was born and up to when I was a few years old, there were some weeks that my parents didn't think they could even buy groceries for me and my sister to have (and they did not buy ANYTHING our family didn't need). We suffered a LOT financially and were lucky to have grandparents to go to some weekends to get a good meal. One day my dad decided that he didn't want to put my whole family through this anymore...so he changed jobs. He worked day and night. My family slowly got on track to being financially stable. Since then, my parents have saved the money for me to go to college, I have a decent car to drive, I am eating well and happy, I now have a job and am saving for my first house and a car. My parents are VERY well off now despite not having the best paying job in the world.

See! My parents took the responsibility to DO SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR LIVES. They never asked the government for any aid. The chose to make things better and did so all on their own. And thanks to them, now i'm better off.

People are lazy to just sit around and complain and say they can't find a job. Blah blah blah...thats crap. The same people are the ones who sit around and expect the government to pay for everything.

So no, I don't have sympathy for people who are jobless. I'll be more than happy to put in a reccomendation for them at Walmart.

And might I add that Government stidcking their hands into OUR lives does NOTHING for the economy. Nothing.

Sounds like you have a mighty high horse there, you have already made sure that everybody is lazy and there are plenty of jobs for them. There is not much to say,
you are awesome

reply to post by David9176


Ah, finally you admit GB is a tool. Good for you. No more needed on that subject.

Also, you actually have a good idea, much better than the transaction tax they are looking to pull on Wall St. That is a real, real mistake. I do not know how the mechanics of tariffs work though unfortunately.

I suppose I am in the camp of actually spending more money on our nations infrastructure though. I am actually pretty big on implementing high speed rail all over this country. Though costly, imagine the percentage increase in inter/intrastate commerce.

I am also a big fan of absolutely no regulations on business/banking. While 99% of you probably hate me for saying that, I believe that is the key to all of our problems. This would also mean there is no too big to fail etc. I'm all for that, to me that really means efficiency in business and that to me means a more efficient market/economy = kill or be killed. Good for business IMO and I love big business. Just not too big to fail business. This would equal more money in your pocket in the long run IMO.

On the other hand, we really don't have too much to worry about regarding our debt situation IMO. Cutting our spending by a mere percentage point or so would fix all of this as well - more than 1 way to skin a cat.

Look at how poor we were in real terms back then, and look at how rich we are now, thanks in part to world trade. The only main tariffs have gotten smaller is because other taxes have gotten so much larger, and they are the real source of the problem.

Good inflation? So it's "good" that we misallocate resources and overpay on products that could be acquired more cheaply? Its good to strangle competition by forcing us to buy American cars that nobody wants?

World trade is a textbook example of economic efficiency. Trader partners will always have a comparative advantage, so it makes more sense for countries to specialize and trade than suffer under inefficient autarky. I don't see how having fewer goods at higher prices could be a good thing.