It would have been interesting to see a christian representaion, to see how far they differ with muslims on these subjects. I imagine on these moral issues there wouldn't be much difference

Originally posted by Sean48
I think if you put those Stats up against another Religeous group, or

some other segment of society, I would bet the numbers would all be in line.

You think so Sean? Why?

Muslims aren't bad people.

No worries, this is a non-polarizing OP (or at least its intended to be )

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
It would have been interesting to see a christian representaion, to see how far they differ with muslims on these subjects. I imagine on these moral issues there wouldn't be much difference

You mean not much of a difference between England, France and Germany?

[edit on 4-2-2010 by Skyfloating]

Now what the hell???!!!

They think Pornography is WORSE than Abortion or Actual Real sex???!!!

WTF to the MAX!!!

I am sorry but this is proof these people are all clinically insane.

Pornography does not actually involve me meeting anyone in real life or doing anything to anyone.

"Homosexual Acts" require me to meet someone in real life.
"Abortion" requires me to actually kill a baby.
"Pornography" is between ME AND MY HAND.

How could anyone think it even compares to the other two!??!?!

There is no way humans are this dumb. The numbers have to be wrong, or I have to be misreading this......

There is just no comparison. I must be living in the Twilight Zone...

Originally posted by muzzleflash
There is no way humans are this dumb. The numbers have to be wrong, or I have to be misreading this......

What really frightens me is that 4% of the French public think that honour killings are "morally acceptable"! I mean really W-T-F ?!?

"Muslims are'nt bad people" love that tarring a whole religious denomination as all good people.

A better statment would have been not all people or not all Muslims are bad as at the end of the day regardless of the religious denomination people are people, some will be happy killing,stealing some will find it ahborent and actually be decent people.

Why is it that when we open something up like this for discussion some people seem to think they need to cover Islam or Muslims as all good people who are mis-understood mis represented.

They are people some will be what we term as good and some will be the worst kind of human being you could get.



[edit on 4-2-2010 by jpmail]

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Maybe it depends on where the majority of the muslim population originate from. In paris they are more likely to be from Northern Africa, where as in the UK we have more Pakistani and Bengali Muslims. Just like different Christian groups who believe slightly different versions of the bible.

That might be an explanation.

German Muslims are primarily from Turkey which is fairly Moderate.

Originally posted by sonicology
What really frightens me is that 4% of the French public think that honour killings are "morally acceptable"! I mean really W-T-F ?!?

This might be because the French are generally very defensive of Muslims. It might not be their true opinion but they might instead be answering to spite the questioner.

Or the Polling was done in a weird neighbourhood

[edit on 4-2-2010 by Skyfloating]

Originally posted by jpmail
Why is it that when we open something up like this for discussion some people seem to think they need to cover Islam or Muslims as all good people who are mis-understood mis represented.

Its knee-jerk reaction.

Many dont actually care what the thread is about. When they see the word "Muslim" in some thread title, they come in to either defend or bash them.

What a curious poll.

Some observations;

1. Given that a lot of muslims are born in all of the countries listed, seperating the muslims from the "public" skews the statistics.

2. The differences between the German, French and UK muslims are intriguing. I would be interested to know how the data was collected and where it was collected, given that some mosques are more "hardline" than others - particularly the ones in London that are routinely monitored by MI5 such as Finsbury Park.

3. I do wonder if the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have pushed some British muslims to withdraw out of mainstream society because of the British troops involvment there, causing an insular view.

4. I'd love to know what faith "Religious Americans" refferred to? Again that one seems skewed.

5 . As woodward pointed out, the majority of British Muslims are of Pakistani extraction, and they are slightly more "hardcore" practitioners of the faith.

Nice thread

[edit on 4/2/10 by neformore]

Originally posted by neformore
The differences between the German, French and UK muslims are intriguing. I would be interested to know how the data was collected and where it was collected, given that some mosques are more "hardline" than others - particularly the ones in London that are routinely monitored by MI5 such as Finsbury Park.

Good questions, some of which remain unanswered in the article.

Muslim populations in Paris, Berlin, and London: Results are based on face-to-face interviews conducted between November and December 2006 with at least 500 adults, aged 15 and older, in Paris and London. In London and Paris, a probability sample of neighborhoods where Muslim penetration was at least 5% was used. In Berlin, results are based on telephone interviews conducted between January and February 2007 with at least 500 adults aged 15 and older. Also, in Berlin, random-digit dialing was used (dialing of first and family names with a high probability of leading to a Muslim household). For results based on the total sample of adults in each city, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±5 percentage points.

[edit on 4-2-2010 by Skyfloating]

Of interest to ATSers

Research has shown that Muslims want participatory politics, rule of law, and freedom of expression, thereby shattering the theory that they reject democratic ideals.

Interesting poll

I have a question as well- i`d like to know what are the polls telling about the drug and alcohol abuse in Muslims in the western world?

I guess i`ll go and try to dig something up.

Maybe you should review which countries the majority of these muslim immigrants are from. I know most muslims that live in Berlin have their roots from Turkey which is a far more secular and open minded muslim nation. I don't know about Paris or London. But that is just my recommendation.