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Jon Stewart tells Bill O'Reilly, FOX News is Shadow Government

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posted on Feb, 6 2010 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by PlausibleDeniability
You know, I've never looked up to any man on this planet my whole life or had any sort of "hero" until I looked into Stewart and really understood him and what hes trying to do.

I don't get how people can hate him so much when he is clearly doing what he can to open closed minds. I can think of no better way to accomplish such a thing but through laughter.

Man I really hope he gets into government one day...


Does he really know what he's trying to do? Do you?

Try it this way. If Fox News is getting by far the highest ratings, it means that they must have by far the most people that agree with their programming - or quite simply they wouldn't watch. So you can translate that into what is on Fox News as agreeing with a majority of the "will of the people".

Our elected representatives are called that because they are supposed to represent the will of the people in government even though it is quite clear that they rarely do.

Now Stewart says that Fox News is a "shadow government" like it's a bad thing to have some entity that really does represent the will of the people.

Glad someone is serving in that function.

Sad that it has to be a news network instead of the people we elect and pay to do the job.



posted on Feb, 6 2010 @ 10:19 AM
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Here are the "edits" from that Interview. O'Reilly edited them out of the TV show and then put them on the Internet. It's pretty good stuff and easy to see why O'Reilly took them out.


Video from Olbermann



posted on Feb, 6 2010 @ 03:23 PM
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Absolute insanity being passed as if it was a completely sane idea.

We are not a Nation of Liberals or Conservatives, We are A NATION OF CONSTITUTIONALLY FREE HUMAN BEINGS.



posted on Feb, 8 2010 @ 09:49 AM
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Just finished watching this! Jon Stewart did great holding his cool.

Should be required viewing. Great summary here

www.examiner.com...



posted on Feb, 8 2010 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by PlausibleDeniability

Originally posted by sos37
If you idolize Stewart then you've been had. I despise the man because I can see right through him. He is no more trying to "open" minds than Sarah Palin is going to school for a doctorate. He's gaining people's trust using humor and then pushing, easing, the typical liberal agenda on an unsuspecting America.

For one,I idolize nothing. For two...

It's not about politics!!!! ****ing damn I'm so tired of you guys politicizing EVERYTHING. Enough with this stupid liberal agenda garbage already. You don't see through anything at all, you don't agree with his logic and what he has to say so in your eyes he becomes a liberal shill/commie socialist whatever.


Sorry but it is ALL about politics. His show is BASED ON politics. His material is BASED ON politics. Without politics he would have nothing and would be nothing. What's questionable are his true intentions.

Some of us, like myself, don't trust him. Not only do I not trust him, I find his demeaning attitude doing more damage to a situation than it helps. And if his show were merely for the purpose of COMEDY then that would be one thing. But Stewart really tries to pass his crap off like it's REAL STUFF laced with a hint of comedy that YOU, YOUR FAMILY and YOUR DOG should ALL pay attention to. His show started out to be a comedy show but he's not satisfied with that. He wants everyone to take his word as gospel even though it's broadcast from Comedy Central.



Because of his show and his show ALONE the games of the media have been put on public display at a mainstream level. Disregarding everything else that's enough for me to love the guy and everyone involved with his show.


Like I said - you idolize the man. Your allegiance to the 'will of Stewart' has been bought and paid for over a few laughs at the hands of politicians and ordinary people - some of who are really just trying to make things better.

Yeah. It takes a real big man to bully around someone on his show in front of an unforgiving audience!



So what are your specific complaints about what he does? I've never heard anybody have a specific reason for hating him other then hes a dirty commie. Everything he stands for is based on cold, hard, simple logic. Forget your stupid red vs blue and just think about things.


My complaints are told above. The man is trying to condition his audience to follow him and his agenda, alone. He is a Democrat and leans to the liberal, so that in itself should tell you something.

It wouldn't bother me ONE BIT to see the government execute Jon Stewart for treason!!!



posted on Feb, 8 2010 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Here are the "edits" from that Interview. O'Reilly edited them out of the TV show and then put them on the Internet. It's pretty good stuff and easy to see why O'Reilly took them out.


Video from Olbermann


Olbermann is far more "mean spirited" in his commentary than anyone on Fox News. What olbermann says and the way he says it is sneering and can only be classified as "nasty". There is no humor in it whatsoever.

That said, I was also turned off by O'Reilly constantly interrupting his guests on that show. I noticed he was doing it to ALL of the people he had on his show that night and it turned me off even before Stewart was on. If you have someone on, let them speak.



posted on Feb, 8 2010 @ 03:14 PM
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Jon Stewart fills a necessary role in the current U.S. political discourse. While he would never describe himself as a serious journalist, he is a clever satirist and commentator. He is articulate and measured, and adept at using humor to call attention to the absurdity of the dialogue of popular politics. He is level-headed and reasonable, and able to compromise, something with which the Fox News crew has great difficulty.

It hardly needs to be said that Fox News is little more than tabloid TV, of no more merit than the magazines at grocery store checkout lines. It is a popular network, just like The National Enquirer and The Globe are popular magazines, but that doesn't give any more weight to the opinions espoused by its staff. It just means that there is an audience (re: market) for their product. There is a large market for McDonald's too, but it doesn't mean that their food is good for you. So to argue that Fox News speaks for a large chunk of the population and is of worth for that reason alone is meaningless. The channel has no intellectual credibility.

Stewart and the staff of The Daily Show recognize this, and that is why Fox News is a constant target. Fox News is successful because it has tapped into a lucrative market. If Murdoch thought that he could make more money by launching a far-left network, he would do it in a heartbeat. I personally doubt that the high-profile Fox News commentators, like O'Reilly, Beck, and Hannity really believe half of what they spew. They're in it for the money, and their viewers buy into the narrative.

I get the sense that Fox News knows that it's all a joke, but since it's a profitable one, they keep it going. Meanwhile, there is such an intellectual deficiency in this country, that the public eats it up. I would go as far as to say that this trend is easily observable on this very site. For all the invocations of "Deny Ignorance," there is a large population of people who lap up the drivel put forth by the likes of Glenn Beck and the laughable antics of the woefully misguided "Tea Party" set. From the persistence of the baseless and discredited challenges to President Obama's citizenship which keep coming back like a bad rash, to the adolescent rantings crying out for revolution, the largely right-wing fringe has gained an alarming amount of traction... but again, this doesn't give it merit or validity.

Jon Stewart draws attention to this trend, and mocks it, because it bears mockery. Fox News suffers from a severe case of arrested development.



posted on Feb, 8 2010 @ 03:33 PM
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You know, I'm not convinced of the birther's argument, either. I stand in the middle right now on the "I want to believe" edge, but I really need definitive proof to make me a true believer that Obama wasn't born in the U.S.

Bet let's uppose, let's JUST SUPPOSE, that this all one day proves to be accurate and Barack Obama really was born in Kenya. Let's put aside the issue of citizenship that would follow...

How do you think Stewart would respond to this news after the massive amount of joking and ridiculing that he's done? Would he continue to be in constant denial like the Obama die-hards? Or would he be man enough to admit he was wrong and publicly apologize to the birthers for ridiculing them when they really did have something? If such were the case and Jon Stewart did make a public apology, he would instantly earn my respect. But let's face it - in the event that foolproof evidence of Obama's being born in Kenya ever did come out, Jon Stewart would no more take the high road than Keith Olbermann.

Someone said he's an excellent journalist - the very fact that he exists on Comedy Central proves that he isn't. An excellent journalist reports a story factually, without taking sides. By making snide comments, jokes and trying his best to make his guests look like fools, Jon Stewart isn't exactly taking a non-biased role in his so-called "journalism". He's the equivalent of a court jester without the paint and ridiculous attire.



posted on Feb, 9 2010 @ 12:22 AM
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Originally posted by sos37
An excellent journalist reports a story factually, without taking sides.


Nonsense.

Every story is coloured by opinion, marred by judgement, sealed with experience and delivered to a paying public. The only excellent journalists are the unemployed ones, and they post here



Originally posted by sos37
He's the equivalent of a court jester without the paint and ridiculous attire.


Exactly. Only instead of entertaining some king or queen he's actually informing the peasantry of political going-on's by using a broad range of humour inclined to glint of anyone intelligent enough to hear it's wit.

No easy task.

-m0r



posted on Feb, 9 2010 @ 12:33 AM
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I have read somewhere that the footage presented on FOX was actually cut. There were complaints regarding the fact that they took out some of the most valid arguments Stewart had presented. O'Rilley released some of the cut parts , and i must say that they indeed cut some essential stuff where O'Rilley found himself in trouble







 
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