Often people say they are anti-war. This of course is a simplistic view that is typically not based in reality. Often this mindset is a luxury of those furthest and most protected and therefore they entertain the illusion that they somehow rise above it.

This thread is targeted at all, but hopefully those types will weigh in also. Since a general statement will only encourage delusional outlooks, a hypothetical senario has been laid out for you to simply choose a number.

For the example, China will be used as the opposing force. Keep in mind, the moment you choose war, its full war. troops sent over, massive bombs dropping on cities, perhaps even some nukes (potentially from both sides....lets say we match force and they are not holding back at all once we get involved)

1) China says some threatening remarks to the west (UK, USA). saber rattling

2) China unites in a suprising move with North Korea and Russia to create a pan-asian alliance, challenging western domination

3) China/NK send troops into south korea, sparking off a war

4) Korea now united under NK flag, China takes over administration of NK

5) Kazachstan claimed by Russian federation, pan-asian alliance now grown to encompass half the continent

6) More saber rattling from east to west. Chinese troops enter Afganistan. Iran unites with Syria and send troops into Iraq, Russia moves their troops to the border of Ukraine and Germany.

7) India quickly sacked by chinese with backup troops from pakistan. Pan-Asian alliance now the strongest force on earth.

8) Germany now under russian rule, China consolidates the middle eastern nations and cuts off supplies to the west.

9) France invaded on two fronts, (of course they surrender!). Chinese troops now in northern africa.

10) Air bombings begin in the united kingdom, nonstop waves of chinese and russian bombs start the processing of flattening cities across the UK


I would venture to say that if we haven't acted by step 3 with nuclear resolve then the momentum would be nearly unstoppable in such a senario. Millions would die no matter how you look at it.

I could be wrong here...this hypothetical senario assumes diplomacy simply failed incidently. When would you say its time to unleash a nuclear holocast on the earth

finally, the point of this highly improbable senario is simply for people to come to grips with the fact that pacifism is simply a dream no matter how much you wish eternal peace. pacifism is a extinction mindset.

War in my opinnon should be DEFENSEIVE only. Only when we are truely attacked should we repel/retaliate. I do have a problem with vengance though. But until they hit us, we shouldn't be on an offensive. However, we should maintain a state of the art military, with a goal of being ahead of everyone else. Our nuclear stockpile should be reduced and upgraded to tactical weapons, keep our defense triad of icbm, subs and bombers strong and up to date, and we should return to launch on warning.

Edit: I also think we should make a warning to all countries that if they dare strike, they face swift and utter destruction, just as the two japanese cities did in WW2. (Its like that today, but if we were to move to defensive)

[edit on 3-2-2010 by USamf]

When the government cuts off funding until you use the toys they've already paid for.

Firstly, I'd like to know why my screen froze and a message appeared claiming Adobe Flash player was causing script to run slowly ? Is it someone's avatar ?

Response to OP: being quite old by this stage and having seen a few wars come and go, I'd be inclined to do nothing. Let them come, if that's what they want

After all, what's the difference, really, between being controlled by zionist lunatics and being controlled by a 'foreign power' ?

Next: wars are a sad joke. Those whom our illustrious leaders denounced as our 'enemies' are now taking tea with our illustrious leaders. They wipe their feet on us. We're reduced to opening car-doors for them and carrying their bags when they arrive as tourists

Our fathers, grandfathers, great-great grandfathers fought because they were TOLD they were fighting to secure our 'freedums' and futures

They suffered and died in agony. Twenty years later, the sons of our father's enemies are greeted as 'respected partners' by our OWN traitorous governments. Our industries are sacked in order we should buy our enemies' inferior products. Our enemies now own half our land. Our illustrious leaders BOW LOW before them, publicly (nice stepping, Obama)

So let them come. Who knows, they may be far better than our OWN dictators. Goodness knows they could be no worse

No war. Be France. Welcome them, sell to them, sleep with them, fete them .... and live long and happily on the proceeds of the tourists -- the descendants of those of other nations who come to pay respects (what good will that do the dead ?) at their father's and grandfather's graves

Our fathers and grandfathers are fertilizing French crops. And we go to France to vist their graves, stay in expensive French hotels, gobble up all that wonderful French food and contribute very nicely, thank you, to the French economy



[edit on 3-2-2010 by Dock9]

I don't think war is never really nescesary !

History teaches us war is only caused by a ruling class wanting more, or for the protection of future property and influence for our current ruling class.

Any other small regional war is for the sole purpose of making money.
An imperiallistic rule which will consolidate and if nescesary recovers lost regions of their free market empire.

But... I'll play along.

I do not think countries and other terrories will be occupied by a invasive force. After there means to fight back is destroyed, the influence of the stronger country will be a fact, if nescesary backed up by an occasional strategic bombing and some show of power by the victor.

Don't forget it doesn't matter any more if a country keeps in control of their own oil. Under the influence of a agressor, their rules will be followed.

A nasty little side effect of a free market. No longer will it be requierd to fight a ground battle, thus avoiding a bleeding and weaker growing defense system.

All surviving population will be defenseles and a slave for the empire.
Life as we know it will never be the same because of modern day technology to keep us under control. By chip, dept, and strict regulations to make it impossible go anywhere your not supposed to.

When is war necessary? since when does war exists? I believe its unfair to ask if its necessary.Stop and think if its human nature to have differing opinions,create alliances,have conflict of interests and other things that have pushed the button to actually declare war.
What the hell goes through a politicians mind when they send thousands of soldiers to die for "their" country.What are they really fighting for? An Ideology?Politician's declare war,young men die.What does the country get?
War is necessary when theres a major threat to to a large section of the world in my opinion,and even that is a poor opinion to have,since those who decide what a "major threat" are,often, not qualified to make the decission.Can a small group of men,or one man decide when its prudent to send thousands of fathers,sons and what not to lose their lives for...nothing a few words couldn't fix. Peaceful solutions are very very underrated,diplomacy has failed.

In my mind it works like this. No matter what country one calls home. Refuse to pick up a gun and kill complete strangers and there is effectively no more war to speak of.

In my opinion it really is that simple. You want a better world, you are sick and tired of the state dictating your life, you are sick and tired of petty laws that only serve to enslave mankind, you are sick and tired of mortgage payments, sick and tired of endless taxes, sick and tired of the mundane existence most of us adhere to, then just say NO.

Stop playing in to their hands. Stop playing their game. If enough people did so, there would be absolutely nothing that hose in positions of power could do. It really is that easy in my opinion.

Unfortunately, most people will have you believe that affecting change for the better is completely impossible. That we just have to play the hand of cards that we were dealt. That there is nothing that can be done to better the world.

Fortunately there is something that can be done and I just explained how it can be done.

One word: NO. Refuse to take part in their system of death, suffering, slavery and misery and their power vanishes faster than a fart in the wind.

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[edit on 4-2-2010 by ET_MAN]

war is necessary when your freinds and family and way of life are in jeopardy but when the threat is your own govt elected to protect and serve you then civil war is a must a message must be sent that we the people will not bow down to there economy we will not accept lies and half truths transperancy must be that transparent not discussions had behind closed doors open forum not scripted speaches designed to pacify our ego's (this is beginning to sound like a campaign speach)

ps... i'm running in 2012 vote for me

I'm gonna respond to this thread without reading the OP or any of the replies first.

Is MARS red?

War is always necessary.

Why?

Dunno just because.

I think there are always alternatives, sure you may not be able to bargain with the leaders of a country who want to wage war but soldiers are your average folks who just wants to put food on the table and are not on some great ideological crusade. Reason with the soldiers and nearly all wars could be avoided.