That's a shame. Really doubt it was any true Christian believers though, as some have already pointed out. An objective and humble devotee of any faith can see that Wicca is the only faith out there that successfully embraces and agrees with the most positive concepts of Judeo-Christian belief and can reconcile it with the more esoteric aspects of Eastern religion/philosophy, meaning of course Buddhism, Confucianism, etc.
In other words F*CK ALL THAT NOISE! lol I think that the enlightened of any school of thought can recognize the ancient faith of Nature based worship as a completely valid and profound kind of relationship with God/Whatever you like to call it.

Anyway.....HAPPY (slightly belated) IMBOLC!

The problem with Christians is they only give lip service to the teachings of Christ. Most of them only know what the hateful racist zealots tell them from the pulpit. If they would just lead the lives that Jesus taught them to, others would look at them and say "Wow, how can I be like that?" Instead they do everything that Christ preached against while calling themselves "Christians".

More proof that the Military Academies of all branches (but especially the AFA) are infested with partisan/religious bigots. Anyone who knows someone of a non-christian faith that attended the AFA knows that this is not just a minor, singular incident. I thought that things got somewhat better after "With god on our side" by Harvey Weinstein got published, his campaign really did some good - but after all this shows that the dominionist mindset pushed there by some people is still alive, wealthy, and not ready to give up the part of the government that they so heavily worked to infest the last 30 years.

At least it's crosses, not jews, that get physically attacked nowadays at the AFA. That's some kind of progress, albeit a very american version of progress.

edited for grammar. don't know if it helped much.

[edit on 4-2-2010 by NichirasuKenshin]

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by Carseller4
They desecrated a religious site by placing a cross there?

Really?

Sorry but I can't stop......

I bet when the rock worshipers showed up they were very upset! "Oh my rock, someone put a cross by our group of rocks." Rock damn them!

I'm still.......

So, you wouldn't mind me painting a pentagram on the walls of your church, then? Mighty tolerant of you.

You can draw whatever you want on my wall.

A symbol only has the power that you give to it.

God is invisible and therefore has no symbol. The cross is not a symbol of God.

Jesus Christ is God manifest. He is not a symbol -- He is the bridge to God.

I still don't get why the cross is used as a symbol for Christianity. THE CROSS IS PAGAN.

Strange that the pagan's would be so offended. But alas, a kingdom divided against itself will not stand...


Which is why the pagan Christians and the pagan witches have sooooo much in common.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox


The people who put this cross up were christians.

You were there?

Please share with us the details.

Strange that the pagan's would be so offended. But alas, a kingdom divided against itself will not stand...

I'm sure that not one paagan complained about this, it was set up and given to the media to incite more distrust and ignorance about us and shed a negative light unto our beleifs, as I have stated before, people need to educate themselves... It's media propeganda, at it's worse and I don't know why any intellectual person can't see that!!!!

This article interested me very much, and I hope that after one reads my post one can understand that, in the Air Force, non-Christians, in general, are frowned upon and regularly harassed/abused.
For one, I am an Air Force Veteran. I was an Electronic Warfare Systems Technician, AFSC 2A0X1D. The system I worked with was a drop pod that went on to A-10 aircraft.
When I was stationed at my base I had a fellow airman who was a Mormon priest. Now, I do not portend to know the ins and outs of the Mormon faith, and we would talk about his religion on an ongoing basis, not in an argument situation, but I have always been interested in other cultures, whether religious or secular. Now, he claimed that he had to wear ritual undergarments that we not supposed to be touched by gentiles, which is what he called all non-Mormons. While in boot camp, he explained this to the military training instructor (MTI). The MTI told him that the airman would not be allowed to wear said garments. The airman finally contacted a Mormon chaplain, whether at Lackland AFB or somewhere else, I do not know, but the chaplain had to speak to his Officer in Charge at the training squadron. Then he had to go through the whole spiel again when he tried explaining that he, and only he, must launder his garments.
I identify myself as a Zen Buddhist. Over the Christmas holidays, I volunteered to work on both Christmas Eve and Christmas day, because we had to have manning of our shop, even when the base was on "down" time. I explained to my Sergeant that, in exchange, I could have off May 26, as the temple in the town was having a Kanbutsu-e for the celebration of the Buddha's birthday. He looked at me right in the eye and said "They're ain't no Buddha in a G*d D*mn foxhole." I was stunned. I still worked Christmas and Christmas Eve, but had to leave to have off for my religious holiday. I didn't fight it, I just accepted it.
When I was in tech schooling, there was an airman in my dormitory that identified himself as a pagan. Every night, this other airman in our dorm would read Bible passages at him from outside his door. When the airman complained, he was basically told "deal with it".
Sorry about the length but I just wanted to give everyone what I've seen while enlisted.

You know, even like some of the pagans here, I am somewhat amuzed at the assumption that this was something propulagated by Christians. That is not necessarily the case. I mean, there are alternative explanations.

You must realize that some people in this world strive to increase disharmony in this world. Some people are hell bent on causing the ultimate clash between so-called "good" and so-called "evil." For all we know, it could have been a bunch of secular athiests who put this cross up. "Oooooh, yeah, that should drive even a further wedge between belief systems. Let's put up a cross on the pagan worship site and let's watch the sparks fly!! Brilliant!!" I can almost hear it now.





[edit on 4-2-2010 by SpeakerofTruth]

Wow, they placed a cross there? Such horror!

Same as painting or drawing things in a church? I doubt it. Just take the cross down. Wow! That was hard. Paintings or drawings are harder to remove and cover.

Now if there were Wiccans burning on the cross, I'd say we have some trouble. Otherwise, it appears to be an attempt at attention of some kind from an individual, or maybe a dare. The site was not destroyed in anyway. Relax.

oh please, come on folks, haven't you worked it out yet? ALL religion is complete and utter garbage. It's just nonsense and the pathetic little twerps who do stuff like this are just showing how afraid they are to face up to a real real world where they are TOTALLY ON THEIR OWN. Get real, please.

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts

From you, I would expect such a childish reply... Would you be laughing so hard if a group of Pagans went around drawing pentacles in Christian Churches??? No, I'd bet you would be calling for the death penalty...

Get educated before shoving your foot down your throat... Your ignorance here is mind-numbing...

So you think that taking a hike outside in a public area and putting a cross in the ground is the same as breaking and entering into a private place and vandalizing it?

Do you also believe that if someone flings a rubber band at you it would be OK for you to relaliate with a gun?

The owners and administrators of this site really need to rethink the motto of "deny ignorance" if they are allowing some of the intolellerance and ingnorance in some of the posts in this thread. Everyone has a right to worship in peace and quiet and with dignity, how dare any one religion claim superiority.