The Missing UFO Evidence Thread.

From researcher Bill Chalker:

THE MISSING OFFICIAL UFO FILES OF OZ

This is an introduction to a long term exercise of preserving what I have captured between 1982 and 1984 of RAAF DOD official files that were destroyed by a decision taken by the RAAF - 8 years of RAAF UFO sighting files from 1974 to 1982.

Good one from Keith Basterfield about 'the mystery of classified file 1969/4393'.

The scanned card, lists files in the series 69 4381-4395. Control symbols 4392, 4393, and 4394 are all originally "classified" with no file titles showing. However, for 4393 the word "classified" has been crossed out and the words "UFO & mysterious happenings in PNG" have been written in.

I checked NAA's RecordSearch database and there is nothing there for control symbol 4392. However, control symbol 4394 formerly "classified" according to the record card, is on RecordSearch with the title "Discussions between Nauru and Partner governments under terms of Nauru Phosphate agreement."

So what happened to the missing pages on 4393?

In short, we do not know. One can speculate that they were correspondence with the USAF, the UK government, or were Australian Security Intelligence Organisation documents, but we will never know.


The mystery of classified file 1969/4393

Really relevant one from 1949 involving the radar confirmation of a very large, very fast unidentified flying object over the English channel, the UK’s Fighter Command and Bomber Command and yet another 'shiny new log book'

UFOs, Radar, and “Operation Bulldog”


..Oliver added that the staff of RAF Sandwich “were fully skilled and right on top of their job. Two watches were kept, A and B, on alternate twelve-hour shifts for the duration of Bulldog.” According to Oliver on one particular night, around midnight, “things had gone slack,” and his group was told it could “take a break.” It was a break that didn’t last for long, as Oliver noted:

“Within about fifteen minutes the PBX operator came in, approached the Duty Controller and advised him that Beachy Head radar was passing a plot to us on a large flying object and would we track it?” They did exactly that. It became very clear, and very quickly, that this was no ordinary aircraft. Oliver recalled: “Reaching a position out to sea off the ‘heel’ of Kent, it abruptly turned north and as it approached the Thames estuary we passed it on to Martlesham radar, with whom we had been in contact.”

Oliver offered something remarkable: “Flying at close to 50,000 feet, the air speed of the object we had observed and plotted in accordance with RAF standard procedures was assessed at very nearly 3,000 miles per hour. The general consensus regarding its size, among the very best experienced radar personnel engaged in the operations, was that the object offered an echo similar to that of a large passenger or freight surface vessel, something in the region of 15,000 or 20,000 tons.” In typical British understatement, Oliver said there was “quite a bit of buzz about this.”


RAF Sandwich:

New log book:


..Then something curious happened, as Oliver noted: “At our usual relief time, ‘B’ Watch stood down and went to breakfast and bed at the domestic site at Stonar House. We were awakened from our watch slumbers by Sergeant Platt and assembled in front of Stonar House, with our Sergeant Belcher, Sergeant Hatter, and various minor NCOs [Non-Commissioned Officers] in attendance, for an address by Squadron Leader Mundy. He reminded us of our duties as serving members of the RAF and the requirements of the OSA [Official Secrets Act] and to forget especially the odd occurrences of the past night and not to mention same to anyone not connected to the RAF.”

But that was not all: “Going on watch that evening we found that the Duty Watch Book, normally only replaced when completely full, which recorded every air engagement, every PBX message, every official order by the watch-keeping officer, made during every official part of previous watches, including the previous night’s activities, as an official Watch Book is required to do…had gone. Replaced by a brand new shining Duty Watch Book.”

Full

Project signs estimate of the situation document, has never to this day been found.

originally posted by: clt1994

Project signs estimate of the situation document, has never to this day been found.

Ah yes mate, good call on that one.

"The Estimate died a quick death. Some months later it was completely declassified and relegated to the incinerator. A few copies, one of which I saw, were kept as mementos of the golden days of the UFOs..".

"It was a rather thick document with a black cover and it was printed on legal sized paper. Stamped across the front were the words TOP SECRET.It contained the Air Force's analysis of many of the UFO incidents I have told you about plus many similar ones. All of them had come from scientists, pilots, and other equally credible observers, and each one was an unknown".

Captain Edward J Ruppelt - Chief of Project Bluebook.

Actually when it comes to actual unknowns there's an interesting article here about Captain Ruppelt's tenure (written by NICAP's Francis Ridge) which suggests the actual percentage of official unexplained UFO reports could be as high as 88%.

Cheers.

a reply to: karl 12
Thanks! The EOTS IMO is the key to disclosure.

theres gotta be at least 1 copy that hasn't been destroyed. I'd imagine someone at AFOSI or the Pentagon has it tucked away.

a reply to: clt1994

I'm sure they have mate

Here's a bit of a freaky one, apparently a man in Columbia was killed by a UFO..

Colombia: Arcesio Bermúdez, The Man Killed by a UFO

Arcesio Bermudez was a 54-year-old Colombian who apparently succumbed to the powers of the mysterious UFOs, creatures whose existence is unknown, but who are nonetheless real, according to experts.

Ufologist William Chavez claims that the event took place on the evening of July 4, 1969 in the town of Anolaima, municipality of Cundinamarca, when Arcesio's family climbed a hill to do some star gazing, and managed to see a small light that increased its size substantially.

"Mister Arcesio went out to see what was going on. He stared at it and decided to point his flashlight at the unknown entity at that moment," says the specialist.

Chavez claims that the peasant received a magnetic blast, causing him to feel sick hours later, developing signs of hypothermia shortly after. He was sent to a clinic in Bogotá.

After being hospitalized for several days, experiencing intense fever, the Colombian died under circumstances that medical experts could not explain..

Then his body went missing.

The group of APRO investigators seemed to think that Bermudez had died from a massive dose of gamma rays, and requested that the hapless man's cadaver be exhumed - something the family refused to do. Years later, when the remains were about to be transferred, the Bermúdez family discovered to their horror that the body had been spirited away by unknown hands.

link

Cheers.

The suicide or suspected murder of James Vincent Forrestal, the last Cabinet-level United States Secretary of the Navy and the first United States Secretary of Defense, has a great deal of unaccountable documentation. Even in a more recent FOI, the documents returned were seriously redacted and many papers and photographs were prohibited in release. The CIA has also refused to provide certain documents to the public as they are labeled Top Secret^.

I consider this very much missing UFO documents, based on his prominence in the UFO arena.

a reply to: charlyv

Hi mate, don´t know if you´ve seen it but Fastwalker has authored a good thread here about that one.

Below is another possible example of missing evidence described by Nick Redfern.

On these occasions Meteor and Venom aircraft were scrambled to intercept the objects. Several of the pilots reported seeing intense, bright, silver-white balls of light crossing the skies at incredible speeds, and clearly reacting to the approaching aircraft. To the extent that the “lights” played games of “cat and mouse” with the aircrews, eluding and avoiding the pilots with both skill and ease.

One day after the third night of encounters, a team of radar experts – and what my father described as a photographic team – arrived at RAF Neatishead from a nearby base, RAF Coltishall. They set about ensuring that the radar’s Plan Position Indicator could be filmed. Sure enough, the UFOs returned – again, in the early hours of the morning. And, again, flying at incredible speeds. This time, however, everything was caught on film.

I asked my father what happened to the film. All he knew for sure was that the footage was taken to RAF Coltishall, but after that, he had no idea. He did, however, speculate that it may well have gone to a science and technology office within the intelligence arm of the Air Ministry.


UFOs: Getting Involved in the Subject

Cheers.

After the NSA losing their UFO files last year, turns out the DIA have now lost theirs.


www.huffingtonpost.com...

Claims of missing official MOD UFO files in the Rendelsham case:


MoD 'covered up UFO files', army chief sensationally claims

First Director of MUFON Canada and UFO researcher Henry McKay describes missing UFO reports and government harassment.


The Henry McKay (UFOlogist) 1978 Confession Tape

UFO tracking data confiscated by government officials - see 41:00

At least 100 pilots and 60 soldiers silenced over UFO testimony - Italian translation for full article found in link.

“UFO: GEN. MARCELLETTI -- 100 PILOTS’ TESTIMONIES SILENCED


At least one hundred Italian pilots, some sixty soldiers and forty civilians, have been eyewitnesses in these years of UFO sightings but have been silenced by commands or flight directions with more threats or less veiled with retaliation. This was reported by General Salvatore Marcelletti, until 1972 a military pilot serving in the Italian air force and for the next twenty years driving civilian aircraft. .

Link

"AF Admits Keeping UFO Reports From Public - Taped Intelligence Statements Peove Cover-up"


(CIA controls UFO censorship)


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originally posted by: karl 12
"AF Admits Keeping UFO Reports From Public - Taped Intelligence Statements Peove Cover-up"

(CIA controls UFO censorship)

PDF File

It seems to me like the ATIC was responsible for intelligence on foreign aircraft, so when NICAP asked them about domestic aircraft such as the case of the missing F-89, ATIC could have been telling the truth that they had no file on that case, and why would they? The F-89 wasn't a foreign aircraft and the ATIC wouldn't have had any interest in the "UFO" it was chasing since the US air force identified it as a C-47 from the Royal Canadian Air Force.

I'm not saying that intelligence agencies don't lie all the time, I'm sure they do, but reading this article gives me more of an impression of incompetence on the part of NICAP in assuming the ATIC has files which they very well may not have.

The other bizarre aspect to the story is that they then cite official air force reports about the event so how can they claim the air force is hiding it?

NICAP seems to have assumed that ATIC was some kind of omniscient entity with a scope much broader than what I understand their scope was.

Someone may be lying about whether the Canadian plane was off-course or not. The Canadian pilot says he wasn't off-course and the USAF said he was about 30 miles off his planned course so they can't both be right, or else they both really think what they say and one or the other is just mistaken or had some bad data, I guess we'll never know for sure. I can see where the air force might want to lie about that because if they sent a US pilot to his death in bad weather to chase a Canadian plane flying a pre-planned route in Canadian air space I imagine that could have bad consequences, because they never should have sent him on such a mission. Apparently ice could form on the planes wings in the clouds that day and if enough ice gets on the wings the plane can't continue flying so I'm guessing that's why it disappeared, it just fell into the lake with too much ice on the wings, never to be seen again. It's a sad case but it doesn't really involve intelligence on foreign aircraft that I can see since the F-89 and the C-47 were both well-known. ATIC would be interested in Russian aircraft.

That was in 1953 and according to Gerald Haines the CIA had lost interest by then, and he mentions some of the same cases as in that NICAP report like the Tremonton case:

www.cia.gov...

After the report of the Robertson panel, Agency officials put the entire issue of UFOs on the back burner. In May 1953, Chadwell transferred chief responsibility for keeping abreast of UFOs to OSI's Physics and Electronic Division, while the Applied Science Division continued to provide any necessary support. (37) Todos M. Odarenko, chief of the Physics and Electronics Division, did not want to take on the problem, contending that it would require too much of his division's analytic and clerical time. Given the findings of the Robertson panel, he proposed to consider the project "inactive" and to devote only one analyst part-time and a file clerk to maintain a reference file of the activities of the Air Force and other agencies on UFOs. Neither the Navy nor the Army showed much interest in UFOs, according to Odarenko. (38)

A nonbeliever in UFOs, Odarenko sought to have his division relieved of the responsibility for monitoring UFO reports. In 1955, for example, he recommended that the entire project be terminated because no new information concerning UFOs had surfaced. Besides, he argued, his division was facing a serious budget reduction and could not spare the resources.

So the CIA had given the job of monitoring UFO reports to Odarenko who wanted nothing to do with them, and therefore they got little attention.

This is contrary to the claims that the CIA was really concerned. Maybe they were before 1953 but by 1953 it seems they had seen enough to lose most but not all of their interest. Oradenko, a key CIA person in charge of UFO reports beginning in 1953, obviously had little to no interest in the UFO reports.

a reply to: karl 12

Thanks for keeping this thread updated karl - it's much appreciated.

G

a reply to: karl 12

I'm also grateful for your efforts to keep this thread updated, Karl 12-

Count me amongst those who see 'lost' evidence as evidence. That's basic common sense logic to me.

Cheers,
Nexo

Hey karl

dont have anything to add xcept this letter of goldwaters about the infamous blue room

a reply to: IMSAM

Hola mate - thanks for the very appropriate addition and you've got to love the Senator's honesty in that letter (seems he's just as frustrated as everyone else).

Also, when it comes to missing UFO evidence, there are five more videos on this page dealing with testimony about Naval orders 'never to discuss' UFO incidents and censorship of Naval log books.