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After Nimrod's death (2167 BC), Semiramis promoted the belief that he was a god. She claimed that she saw a full-grown evergreen tree spring out of the roots of a dead tree stump, symbolizing the springing forth of new life for Nimrod.
On the anniversary of his birth, she said, Nimrod would visit the evergreen tree and leave gifts under it.
First, we know that shepherds were in the fields watching their flocks at the time of Jesus' birth (Luke 2:7-8). Shepherds were not in the fields during December. According to Celebrations: The Complete Book of American Holidays, Luke's account "suggests that Jesus may have been born in summer or early fall. Since December is cold and rainy in Judea, it is likely the shepherds would have sought shelter for their flocks at night" (Robert Myers, 1972, p. 309).
Similarly, The Interpreter's One-Volume Commentary (1980) says this passage "would argue against the birth's occurring on Dec. 25 since the weather would not have permitted" shepherds watching over their flocks in the fields at night.
Second, Jesus' parents came to Bethlehem to register in a Roman census (Luke 2:1-4). Such censuses were not taken in winter, when temperatures often dropped below freezing and roads were in poor condition. Taking a census under such conditions would have been self-defeating.
Given the difficulties and the desire to bring pagans into Christianity, William Walsh says, "The important fact then which I have asked you to get clearly into your head is that the fixing of the date as December 25th was a compromise with paganism" (The Story of Santa Klaus, 1970, p. 62).
If Jesus Christ was not born on December 25, does the Bible indicate when He was born? The biblical accounts point to the fall of the year as the most likely time of Jesus' birth, based on the conception and birth of John the Baptist.
Since Elizabeth (John's mother) was in her sixth month of pregnancy when Jesus was conceived (Luke 1:24-36), we can determine the approximate time of year Jesus was born if we know when John was born. John's father, Zacharias, was a priest serving in the Jerusalem temple during the course of Abijah (Luke 1:5). Historical calculations indicate this course of service corresponded to June 13-19 in that year (E.W. Bullinger, The Companion Bible, 1974, Appendix 179, p. 200).
It was during this time of temple service that Zacharias learned that he and his wife, Elizabeth, would have a child (Luke 1:8-13). After he completed his service and traveled home, Elizabeth conceived (verses 23-24). Assuming John's conception took place near the end of June, adding nine months brings us to the end of March as the most likely time for John's birth. Adding another six months (the difference in ages between John and Jesus) brings us to the end of September as the likely time of Jesus' birth.
Originally posted by Nammu
If people ask me what religion i am, i joke and say pagan. Not because i'm actually a pagan but because secretly we all are. All the holidays we celebrate - Christmas, Easter, Halloween, thanksgiving in US - all have pagan roots. A lot of the symbolism around us pays homage to pagan gods and godesses.
We might as well come out of the closet and just admit we're really all pagan.
Originally posted by seattletruth
reply to post by Nammu
Speak for yourself. Not everyone in the world is Christian. Not even every Christian celebrates the blasphemous pagan holidays (many see through the lies). But there are other religions, you know. Maybe your world view could use a little enlightening.
If one actually goes to Church on Christmas or Easter etc. you do not see people praying to Santa, Easter Bunny, trees, eggs, or passing massive number of gifts etc. So though dates might be aligned the message is rather different.
Originally posted by divinetragedy79
This is a question that has nagged at me as well.
I am sure you are familiar with the 3 Wise Men. But let me ask you this question. Are you familiar with the tradition of celebrating the day of the 3 Wise Men on Jan. 6 (I believe)? Now, if they (the 3 Wise Men) presented their gifts to Jesus on Dec. 25, then why are they celebrated on Jan. 6?
It's a tradition that my family has always followed, but I never got an answer for my question.
Hanukkah, Hanukah, Chanukah the eight-day Jewish festival of lights beginning on the 25th of Kislev and commemorating the rededication of the temple
Originally posted by 297GT
another thing that always bugs me is why non-Christians bother to celebrate the birth of my God's son, and in turn have a free holiday...same goes for Easter.
Hay stop budging and get back to work, you dont deserve the day off at these times, it means nothing to you.
Also stop getting married, its a biblical concept.....!
Originally posted by 297GT
another thing that always bugs me is why non-Christians bother to celebrate the birth of my God's son, and in turn have a free holiday...same goes for Easter.
Pagan is a word describing religion, not a religion itself. However, "Pagans" don't realize this and go on to claim things that have all the individualism of saying "I'm polytheistic."
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Originally posted by rogerstigers
Originally posted by 297GT
another thing that always bugs me is why non-Christians bother to celebrate the birth of my God's son, and in turn have a free holiday...same goes for Easter.
Hay stop budging and get back to work, you dont deserve the day off at these times, it means nothing to you.
Also stop getting married, its a biblical concept.....!
LOL.. I like this post.
Ok, so I am pagan. I do not celebrate Christ-mass. I celebrate Yule. Although I call it Christmas for the sake of convenience here in the US bible belt.
Easter I celebrate for what it was originally -- a fertility rite and a welcoming of the birth and growth part of the annual cycle. This celebration implies the hieght of spring-time and the germination fo crops, etc.
As for marriage, I could not agree more. Marriage is 100% religious. It should not be a controller by our government, nor condoned or condemed by it. Every marriage should be immediately converted on the books into a civil union. Leave the marriage and hand-fasting ceremonies to the churches.