Break-in at Senator Mary Landrieu’s office conducted by CIA Domestic Black-OP Team!, page 3


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reply posted on 1-2-2010 @ 10:09 PM by rcwj1975
Originally posted by antonia
I do not need to tell you any of my experience as it's not relevant to the topic at hand. I was at one time a member of a TV journalism crew. If you were not a member of the CIA you are simply relaying the actions/statements of people you knew were in the CIA. That's fine, but that's still second hand by definition. You cannot presume to know the actions/ages/mindset of the entire intelligence sector of this country simply because you knew some people in it. That would be like me saying I know how all TV field reporters do their jobs because I worked with one. I don't know and I'm not gonna pretend I know. I know how the one I worked with operated and that's it. This reporter who wrote the story obviously did some work to get that information and found something that lead him to believe that otherwise he wouldn't have published it. Furthermore, the CIA is not going to admit they had them do it. Even if they had ID it does not absolve them of breaking and entering so this whole "They didn't have ID" bit is silly.


So its ok for you to say YOU know better because you "reported" on things, but my working side by side with them is "second hand"... I am not presuming I know about ALL of the intel community when I AM speaking on these 4 individuals. From MY experiance I CAN say these four don't fit the mold and IMO are NOT spooks...as I have been saying all along. I am not pretending anything. I am relating actual working experiance to THIS incident and the OP article about a CIA angle. For ME it doesn't fit and that again is coming from MY experiance.

The reporter who wrote the story is doing what I am doing and as you pointed out, he was lead to believe, as I am lead to believe they are NOT CIA anything. And I think we all know the CIA will never "claim" to know these guys, but again as much as you want to dismiss it and call it silly, the ID's is one of the BIGGEST "clues" that the CIA didn't have their hands in this....again IMO

ADDING: Again if they were used by the CIA as a smoke screen...that I DO agree with and could see happening...

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reply posted on 1-2-2010 @ 10:35 PM by Marked One
Originally posted by rcwj1975
Originally posted by antonia
Furthermore many CIA assets are not "Core" agents". They can actually be refereed to as "non-employees" and still receive a paycheck from the CIA.


I am not jumping the gun on this...I am speaking from EXPERIANCE with having worked with and around REAL operatives in 2 different theaters. I have seen what they can do, what they DON'T do, etc...and these guys are NOT operatives or assets. You truly have to understand what an asset does for the CIA. Take everything you seen from Hollywood and flush it. Yeah they use assets to "take people out" but it's safe to say 90% of your assets are secretaries, janitors, businessmen, wives, etc....used to simply feed info, NOT go covert and try to go into a Federal Building during the day WITHOUT proper identification, etc....NO SPOOK is going to enter that building without an ID and verification so when someone does check...it all checks out....not oops..we left it in the truck as these 2 said.


He's right. I once had an experience where I was at work pulling security for an apartment complex I ran across a suspicious-looking vehicle. When I approached the vehicle, the driver, accompanied by a single passenger, rolled down his window and flashed a badge and winked at me. I backed away in an instant. A good while later I found out they were indeed undercover police detectives. I asked my Captain about it and he said that he knew the local police patrolling the area were specifically instructed to try and avoid responding to any calls within so many blocks in proximity to where the detectives were operating.

It would be the exact same concept in regards to undercover government agents. All that needs to be done is for the government agency in question to send an important memo to the local police dept in the area where the agents are operating, written on pentagon stationary, and the police will do...ALMOST pretty much whatever the agency needs for them to do on their behalf.


reply posted on 1-2-2010 @ 10:43 PM by rcwj1975
Originally posted by antonia
I did know an agent who was 22 years old. He was recruited after leaving the army. That's not at all uncommon these days. I've been told of younger recruits.


Recruited....YES...no doubt, assigned field operations, I don't think so. They recruit all ages for various reasons, but I am again focusing on this incident which would be "covert" in nature and that is not going to happen IMO with people this young...


Again, ID's don't absolve you of a crime. The CIA is not allowed to operate domestically. By your logic, if the "plumbers" had been given ID's then Watergate never would have occurred. Of course it would have still happened and the agency that ordered the break in would be in hot water. You do not break into a senators office no matter what agency you are in and you certainly do not give them information that would lead someone back to your agency. The FBI can certainly monitor the offices of officials but this is not a "break-in" and they have to posses a warrant to do so. Most of the time you don't even need to break in and plant anything. Phone taping is a matter of calling the company and a cell phone mic can be turned on to listen to conversations.



It has NOTHING to do with absolving anything...it has to do with preperation and carrying out a COVERT action on American soil. Meaning, a REAL spook knows he is operating domestically and would not "forget" his credentials in the truck on an OP that could find him guilty of treason. The FBI may not have the same interest in this office as someone from Langly...and sure they COULD easily go through NSA channels and listen in on anything they wanted, but IF the CIA was involved they aren't going to let the FBI, NSA, and others know...not very covert if you tell a few other people your plans. Bottom line...I still think this is 4 college grads still having a hard on for politics and thinking they could get dirt, help someone, do the "investigative reporting" thing, etc....but they failed and got caught... thats it...


reply posted on 1-2-2010 @ 10:52 PM by antonia
Originally posted by rcwj1975
Recruited....YES...no doubt, assigned field operations, I don't think so. They recruit all ages for various reasons, but I am again focusing on this incident which would be "covert" in nature and that is not going to happen IMO with people this young...


Again, you are just assuming things. You can't know and neither can I. I know he joined, I know he spoke Arabic and he could fire a gun. I don't know what they do with people like that. You really believe all covert ops are done by 30 something year old men? Nope, those guys don't fit in everywhere.


It has NOTHING to do with absolving anything...it has to do with preperation and carrying out a COVERT action on American soil. Meaning, a REAL spook knows he is operating domestically and would not "forget" his credentials in the truck on an OP that could find him guilty of treason. The FBI may not have the same interest in this office as someone from Langly...and sure they COULD easily go through NSA channels and listen in on anything they wanted, but IF the CIA was involved they aren't going to let the FBI, NSA, and others know...not very covert if you tell a few other people your plans. Bottom line...I still think this is 4 college grads still having a hard on for politics and thinking they could get dirt, help someone, do the "investigative reporting" thing, etc....but they failed and got caught... thats it...


The CIA is not allowed to operate domestically. You are forgetting that one very important point. You can flip all the badges you want but that would still be illegal.

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reply posted on 2-2-2010 @ 01:13 AM by stoneysauce
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At 24 years old...these idiots were NOT CIA opratives...they were 4 college grads who are neck deep into the BS we call politics and they thought they were clever enough to pull this off...and obviously were not. Apparently they wanted to take their newspaper skills to the level of spiderman and lost.


24 is not too young to be a CIA field worker. But, when CIA operatives are caught now adays, their names are generally not released to the press and they are let go, just like those 2 spook shooters that were apprehended at the Ft Hood TX crime scene on 11/05/09. Although, in the case of Roland Carnaby, it led to a chase and a hit. But, some suggest that Carnaby was investigating some area of TX corruption involving the port of Houston, which leads me to believe that the CIA is becoming lower on the covert agency pecking order list and that there are interdepartmental mafia style feuds going on. But, forgive the digression.

James O'Keefe declared war on planned parenthood, which everyone knows belongs to the corporate facist, original nazi, eugenicistic, Rockefellers. So, its no wonder that he should be smeared in this fashion as a slap on the wrist.

incidently, acorn is also one of Rockefellers babys that is promoting government-run health insurance as part of the 'public option' that would compete with private insurance companies (www.cnsnews.com...). So there are billions of dollars at stake here. Perhaps O'keefe was lucky to get a slap on the wrist and not end up in an accident of some kind. BTW rockefeller critizing insurance companies is a joke. He just wants everyone by law to have to pay for coverage. The 1913 money trust group that became the federal reserve used the same reverse psychology tactics of speaking against a money trust, in order to dupe the american people into thinking that it must be ok if they, the rich banking elites, were opposed to it. Unfortunately, the american people didnt realize that it was these same elite bankers that opposed the money trust that finally became the money trust. (Sorry for the digression again, for more info see G Edward Griffin)
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