Break-in at Senator Mary Landrieu’s office conducted by CIA Domestic Black-OP Team!

The bigger question is:
Why is the CIA and the Mossad have such a connection to Fox News? This is the same group that did a hit piece on ACORN.

We've got the Supreme Court deciding to protect the "free speech" of Corporations -- when the WHOLE POINT of Freedom of Speech is because it is so easy for more powerful entities to silence the people.

We have electronic voting machines designed with back doors by hackers (who are on the record saying they designed them to be remote controlled).

Multinational Corporations and even by proxy -- any Government, can make a great "investment" by spending money to control elections in this country. And of course, they can also lobby our government to PAY for the Propaganda. Whomever grabs the reigns and elects the most candidates, could forever silence everyone else -- they could make other companies illegal.

Fox News, has been a big promoter of these Corporate Socialist agendas, and a big supporter of the Patriot Act. Big supporters of wars. That was bad enough -- but the CIA involved -- are their goals the same?

I was bad enough that the CIA seemed to be the errand boy for Multinational corps. -- but the Propaganda mixed with the hit men -- that's pretty scary.

Originally posted by MikeNice81
I've read a couple of articles about the incident. (one here)
I think they were a couple of wannabe spooks that let their political idealogy get them in trouble. They thought because they know a bit of theory they could put it in to practice. In the end real life was a litle more complicated than the text book and they got busted.

Just what I take from reading different sources.

Thanks for that link, MikeNice81. It's good good article and I hope those who bother to read it will realize your links starts on page four and will go back and read the whole thing.

These guys are facing the charge of "entering federal property under false pretenses for the purpose of committing a felony."

Ben Wetmore is 28 years old, so no these aren't kids and from what I have read elsewhere they have studied leftest political activism from the 60's extensively so while people may be characterizing these actions as stunts this is really serious stuff and charges that they are facing...ultra conservative right wing 'merry pranksters' is what they are trying to pass themselves off as.

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Just because they are 24 they can't be CIA? What age groups does the CIA recruit? We have been seeing advertisements for CIA all over the place, they are expanding their spying at a phenomenal rate The rest of the economy is shrinking but the government is growing which they can do with fiat money to cripple the American economy. As for getting arrested, the CIA can still be caught. Watergate apparently was an inside job, them getting caught, due to infighting in the CIA.I saw that somewhere concerning the Pentagon Papers, but it will take me a while to find.
The question now is whether we have been conditioned enough to accept lawlessness on the part of the government as status quo.


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No one is saying they are kids...they are young guys who tried something and failed. They aren't spooks...and having met a few ACTUAL operatives while I served I can again say with 99% confidence, these guys aren't anything more than young men who did formulate a plan, thought it would work, and simply got caught....

Read the affidavit from the arresting FBI agent and you'll see where they screwed up...somewhere a REAL spook would of had his bases covered.

Black-ops, why I never hear about white-ops, where is this Robin Hood

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So would you believe they are being played by "real" spooks? I would believe either scenario...these guys are very organized and connected and funded in their various on and off campus publications, they all have extensive histories as activists. I have good reason to believe the CIA recruits and works with 18 year olds but I have no more proof of that than what you seem to have. What do you have?

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Originally posted by m khan
Just because they are 24 they can't be CIA? What age groups does the CIA recruit? We have been seeing advertisements for CIA all over the place, they are expanding their spying at a phenomenal rate The rest of the economy is shrinking but the government is growing which they can do with fiat money to cripple the American economy. As for getting arrested, the CIA can still be caught. Watergate apparently was an inside job, them getting caught, due to infighting in the CIA.I saw that somewhere concerning the Pentagon Papers, but it will take me a while to find.

Sure the CIA recruits young and out of college but not for CORE collection. Which is the actual name for "operative" i.e. covert agent. All actual CORE collectors I have met were in their 30's and VERY seasoned...not 24, just graduated from college, types who ALREADY have been identified from an ACORN pimp special...

If you want to make this a CIA angle this is about as close at it would make sence. CIA tells these guys hey do this "op" for us. The CIA knows these guys will eat up the adventure of it all and say OK..so the CIA gives them a plan, but NO CREDENTIALS knowing this will get them caught. While the place is going nuts because they just caught these 4 guys, the REAL CIA spooks are slipping in planing bugs or stealing stuff and walk out without breaking a sweat...while these 4 go to jail and the CIA wipes their hands clean of them and "knows nothing" about them...there..now the CIA is implicated...

The Central Intelligence Agency is now in the hands of Barack Hussein Obama, the very same man whose credibility and background are in question. He has access to this level of National Security Assets. This guy before it is over and before he is either caught or arrested will make Nixon look like a BoyScout.

I think in my field of view, this has a much higher purpose and many layers to get it done. What if The CIA has run its course? What better way to re-do or completly disband the agency than with a few incidents like this. I am very afraid it is already in the process and even more so in knowing who the replacements will be. I think they are already in play and may even have their own seal by now.

Originally posted by ChrisCrikey
reply to post by rcwj1975

 

So would you believe they are being played by "real" spooks? I would believe either scenario...these guys are very organized and connected and funded in their various on and off campus publications, they all have extensive histories as activists. I have good reason to believe the CIA recruits and works with 18 year olds but I have no more proof of that than what you seem to have. What do you have?

As I said, while in Bosnia and Kosovo we had many CIA folks over there but a SMALL percentage were collectors. These guys were all in their 30's and time in service for the agency was less than 5 years, plus THEY were the ones stating that the average age was 30 for CORE agents. Talking to them about training for the tasks consisted of about 2 years of non stop training before even being assigned to the field. So at 24 I do agree with you they could of been set up as in my previous post...

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Thank God, someone said it.

These kids aren't CIA, Dept. of Defense., State Dept., FBI, nothing. This article is completely falsifying all of this crap. It's an article with an agenda, nothing more.

Originally posted by rcwj1975
reply to post by ChrisCrikey

 

No one is saying they are kids...they are young guys who tried something and failed. They aren't spooks...and having met a few ACTUAL operatives while I served I can again say with 99% confidence, these guys aren't anything more than young men who did formulate a plan, thought it would work, and simply got caught....

Read the affidavit from the arresting FBI agent and you'll see where they screwed up...somewhere a REAL spook would of had his bases covered.

I think you are being a bit presumptuous. There is nothing stopping a career agent from having an "opps" moment. People stay sharp or they get sloppy. Maybe these "operatives" just got sloppy. If they were on a mission then they would probably be disavowed if they were caught. That's common practice. You cannot prove they are not agents. The fact they screwed up their task does not negate the fact they could have been agents. To err is human and last time I checked we don't have robotic CIA agents.

Furthermore many CIA assets are not "Core" agents". They can actually be refereed to as "non-employees" and still receive a paycheck from the CIA.

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Originally posted by antonia
Furthermore many CIA assets are not "Core" agents". They can actually be refereed to as "non-employees" and still receive a paycheck from the CIA.

I am not jumping the gun on this...I am speaking from EXPERIANCE with having worked with and around REAL operatives in 2 different theaters. I have seen what they can do, what they DON'T do, etc...and these guys are NOT operatives or assets. You truly have to understand what an asset does for the CIA. Take everything you seen from Hollywood and flush it. Yeah they use assets to "take people out" but it's safe to say 90% of your assets are secretaries, janitors, businessmen, wives, etc....used to simply feed info, NOT go covert and try to go into a Federal Building during the day WITHOUT proper identification, etc....NO SPOOK is going to enter that building without an ID and verification so when someone does check...it all checks out....not oops..we left it in the truck as these 2 said.

Originally posted by rcwj1975

I am not jumping the gun on this...I am speaking from EXPERIANCE with having worked with and around REAL operatives in 2 different theaters. I have seen what they can do, what they DON'T do, etc...and these guys are NOT operatives or assets. You truly have to understand what an asset does for the CIA. Take everything you seen from Hollywood and flush it. Yeah they use assets to "take people out" but it's safe to say 90% of your assets are secretaries, janitors, businessmen, wives, etc....used to simply feed info, NOT go covert and try to go into a Federal Building during the day WITHOUT proper identification, etc....NO SPOOK is going to enter that building without an ID and verification so when someone does check...it all checks out....not oops..we left it in the truck as these 2 said.

And what is stopping them from picking a bunch of morons and setting them up in Madame Senators office? If you were never an agent I have to consider what knowledge you have second hand and incomplete. You couldn't know the full extent of the CIA's operations and it's presumptuous to proclaim you do.

Originally posted by antonia
And what is stopping them from picking a bunch of morons and setting them up in Madame Senators office? If you were never an agent I have to consider what knowledge you have second hand and incomplete. You couldn't know the full extent of the CIA's operations and it's presumptuous to proclaim you do.

I agree with you they could of been set up...no arguing that. As for me, I think working next to them for 6 years gives me a MUCH different perspective and much more first hand knowledge of how things ACTUALLY work than those speaking from nothing more than reading and movies. No offense...I am just saying, I have seen these guys actually do their thing and its IMPRESSIVE...

LET ME ADD...some of the agents, NOT core collectors, were some true blue aholes and I have NO DOUBT would help destroy this country if they thought they would gain from it. We know they already do, but the stovepiping is unreal and some of them think its ok that way...

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I like how you simply assumed all my knowledge came from the movies and reading spy novels. +1 for your presumptive behavior

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Your right, my bad...please feel free to U2U me and fill me in. I would like to know as many wanted to know my experiance a long time ago. Not that you have to, but since YOU stated I was the one who was speaking on assumptions or second hand accounts...you could atleast enlighten me..lol

Originally posted by rcwj1975


I agree with you they could of been set up...no arguing that. As for me, I think working next to them for 6 years gives me a MUCH different perspective and much more first hand knowledge of how things ACTUALLY work than those speaking from nothing more than reading and movies. No offense...I am just saying, I have seen these guys actually do their thing and its IMPRESSIVE...



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can you tell me what CIA agents do?

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Originally posted by rcwj1975
reply to post by antonia

 

Your right, my bad...please feel free to U2U me and fill me in. I would like to know as many wanted to know my experiance a long time ago. Not that you have to, but since YOU stated I was the one who was speaking on assumptions or second hand accounts...you could atleast enlighten me..lol

I do not need to tell you any of my experience as it's not relevant to the topic at hand. I was at one time a member of a TV journalism crew. If you were not a member of the CIA you are simply relaying the actions/statements of people you knew were in the CIA. That's fine, but that's still second hand by definition. You cannot presume to know the actions/ages/mindset of the entire intelligence sector of this country simply because you knew some people in it. That would be like me saying I know how all TV field reporters do their jobs because I worked with one. I don't know and I'm not gonna pretend I know. I know how the one I worked with operated and that's it. This reporter who wrote the story obviously did some work to get that information and found something that lead him to believe that otherwise he wouldn't have published it. Furthermore, the CIA is not going to admit they had them do it. Even if they had ID it does not absolve them of breaking and entering so this whole "They didn't have ID" bit is silly.

Originally posted by marsvolta

can you tell me what CIA agents do?

I can tell you what the guys did that I was around during my service. CIA agent is a WIDE term...considering there are like 120 jobs within the agency and all of them that encompass the intel side of things are "agents".

I'm going to have to agree with rcwj1975's reasoning here.
If they were true agents that wanted to do something, they wouldn't have been caught.

Originally posted by OpTiMuS_PrImEObama and nazi team are digging deep into the gov that are not for him just like he is on the citizens

Is he a Nazi or a Communist? You guys have really got to make up your minds!