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The Abomination That Causes Desolation.

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posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 05:11 PM
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Using the three links below, you can work out where the Ark of The Covenant once stood, in middle of the Holy of Holies (present day Dome of the Rock). There is an indented area in the rock that forms the exact rectangular shape of the Ark.

"Precisely in the center of the Holy of Holies as laid out by Ritmeyer, is a rectangular cutout in the bedrock measuring 4 ft 4 in x 2 ft 7 in. Based on his measurement of the Biblical "cubit," Ritmeyer suggests the Ark was exactly this size. Thus, according to Ritmeyer, the Ark once sat at the exact center of the Holy of Holies—in this very indentation on es-Sakhra beneath the Dome of the Rock!"

Next to this quote is a picture (on the Christian-net link) that allows you to get the plan of the Holy of Holies. You can overlay this onto the Photo (templemountfaithful location thread )

It is possible to walk into the Holy of Holies by going to the carpeted area near to a z-shapped part of the screen wall encircling the Rock. You will see it in the bottom left side of the photo.


upload.wikimedia.org...

www.christiananswers.net...

www.templemountfaithful.org...


All the Anti-Christ has to do is visit that carpeted area to fulfil prophecy!


Question: "What is the abomination of desolation?"

Answer: The phrase “abomination of desolation” refers to Matthew 24:15 (KJV): “So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand.” This is referring to Daniel 9:27, “He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing [of the temple] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.” In 167 B.C. a Greek ruler by the name of Antiochus Epiphanies set up an altar to Zeus over the altar of burnt offerings in the Jewish temple in Jerusalem. He also sacrificed a pig on the altar in the Temple in Jerusalem. This event is known as the abomination of desolation.

In Matthew 24:15, Jesus was speaking some 200 years after the abomination of desolation described above had already occurred. So, Jesus must have been prophesying that some time in the future another abomination of desolation would occur in a Jewish temple in Jerusalem. Most Bible prophecy interpreters believe that Jesus was referring to the Antichrist who will do something very similar to what Antiochus Epiphanies did. This is confirmed by the fact that some of what Daniel prophesied in Daniel 9:27 did not occur in 167 B.C. with Antiochus Epiphanies. Antiochus did not confirm a covenant with Israel for seven years. It is the Antichrist who, in the end times, will establish a covenant with Israel for seven years and then break it by doing something similar to the abomination of desolation in the Jewish temple in Jerusalem.

Whatever the future abomination of desolation is, it will leave no doubt in anyone’s mind that the one perpetrating it is the person known as the Antichrist. Revelation 13:14 describes him making some kind of image which all are forced to worship. Turning the temple of the living God into a place of worship for the Antichrist is truly an “abomination.” Those who are alive and remain during the tribulation should be watchful and recognize that this event is the beginning of 3 1/2 years of the worst of the tribulation period and that the return of the Lord Jesus is imminent. “Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man” (Luke 21:36).

I repeat: All the Anti-Christ has to do is visit that carpeted area in the photo, and be worshipped, to fulfil prophecy!

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Matthew 24:15 "Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),

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posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 05:33 PM
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I find that very interesting flag



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 06:00 PM
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Interesting, i starred and flagged your post aswell. So, they have to demolish the Dome of the Rock before building the 50 by 50 cubit Temple I wonder how Israel will make it happen, this is the end of times apparently.


In conclusion, there is no doubt that the Dome of the Rock is the location of the First and Second Temples and should, with no compromise, be the location of the Third Temple. Any Temple built in another location will be a false Temple

www.templemountfaithful.org...



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 06:01 PM
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Hi, you might find this thread interesting as well:

www.raptureready.com/featured/price/11rp.pdf



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posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 06:15 PM
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The three abrahamic faiths - Judaic; Christian and the Muslim Religions regard the Temple Mount as sacred. Somehow, the Anti-Christ will set up a new Temple to outwardly bring these religions together in peace. He will find a way of creating an image of himself for people to worship in the original Holy of Holies. The ultimate blasphemy predicted by the Prophet Daniel and in Revelation. The Anti-Christ will use the desire of other for peace to bring this about. Check this out:

www.infolive.tv...

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posted on Feb, 2 2010 @ 02:51 AM
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Evidence that the "one week (Seven) of years" spoken of in Daniel 9:27 does not apply to any future Tribulation abounds. Rather, this great prophetic period was ABSOLUTELY fulfilled in the past:

1) The entire prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 covers a period of "seventy weeks (Sevens) of years" It is based on the Sabbatic Cycles Jews are familiar with -but skipping a Jubilee (much as America has despite it being the first move of the Colonies upon independence to cast it into the Liberty Bell). This period only applies to a complete, sequential block of time, as real as the 70 years the Jews had just been in Captivity.

This prophecy started in the Persian period at the giving of the Decree of Cyrus in 538 B.C.E., and ended at the close of the time of the Messiah with the 34 C.E. matyrdom of Stephen (when he saw the Lord STANDING at the right hand of GOD, for turning to the Nations) to which it is specifically directed. Had the Jew been up on his prophecy he'd have known precisely when and where and then who the "coming one" was -and how it was all meant to be. Here's the case:


2) Logic requires that the 70th week follow immediately after the 69th week. If it does not, then it cannot properly be called the 70th week!

3) It is illogical to insert a near 2,000-year gap between the 69th and the 70th week. No hint of this intention is found in the prophecy itself nor anywhere else in Bible or any other Scripture. There is no gap between the first 7 weeks (unto the Torah and Haftorahs restoration to the Zerubabel 2nd Temple) and the following 62 weeks (unto the Decree of Herod for the 3rd Temple to "find all locally available material" in 19 B.C.E. which made "Golgotha" GiLGaTaH 'a scull' in BeiT HaSaQiLaH, when extracting the fine white limestone "stone of stoning" -which the builders rejected). Why insert one between the 69th and the 70th week?

4) Daniel 9:27 says nothing about a seven-year period of tribulation, or about any Antichrist.

5) The focus of this prophecy is the Messiah, not the Antichrist, which modern interpreters have applied it to as "the people of the prince" who would come to "destroy the city and the sanctuary" (verse 26). That sentence has been applied to the Romans, who under Prince Titus did "destroy the city and the sanctuary" in A.D. 70, but if you know Bible that was because it was given up having already accomplished the intended.

6) "He shall confirm the covenant." Christ came "to confirm the promises made unto the fathers." Romans 15:8. Nowhere in the Bible is Antichrist ever said to make or confirm a covenant with anyone! The word "covenant" always applies to the Messiah, never to any Antichrist!

7) "He shall confirm the covenant with many" Jesus said, "This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many." Matthew 26:28. Jesus used the same words, because He knew that He was fulfilling Daniel 9:27!

8) "In the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease." The 70th week was from A.D. 28 to 34. After three and a half years of ministry, Christ died in A.D. 31, "in the midst [middle] of the week." At the moment of His death, "the veil of the temple was rent [torn] from the top to the bottom." Matthew 27:51. This act of God signified that all animal sacrifices had at that moment ceased to be of value. The Great Sacrifice had been offered!

9) "For the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate." Jesus plainly applied this "abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet" (Matthew 24:15) to the time when His followers were to flee from Jerusalem before its destruction. Jesus told His 12 disciples, "When ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies [the Roman armies led by Prince Titus], then know that its desolation is near." Luke 21:20. Those disciples did "see" those very events. Christ’s very last words to the Pharisees from inside the second temple were, "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate." Matthew 23:38.

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posted on Feb, 2 2010 @ 02:57 AM
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10) Gabriel said that the 70-week prophecy specifically applied to the Jewish people (Daniel 9:24). From A.D. 27 to A.D. 34, the disciples went only "to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 10:6. At the end of the 70 weeks, in the year A.D. 34, Stephen was stoned by the Jewish Sanhedrin (Acts chapter 7). Then the gospel began to go to the Gentiles. In Acts chapter 9, Saul became Paul, "the apostle of the Gentiles." Romans 11:13. Then in Acts chapter 10, God gave Peter a vision revealing that it was now time to preach the gospel to the Gentiles (Acts 10:1-28). Read also Acts 13:46.

The evidence is overwhelming! Point by point, the events of the 70th week have already been fulfilled in the past! The following eight words found in Daniel 9:27: "confirm...covenant...many...midst...sacrifice...cease.​.. abominations...desolate": all find a perfect fulfillment in the "Jesus Christ" of early Christian history.

One reason why the Jewish nation as a whole failed to receive its Messiah was because its leaders and scholars failed to correctly interpret the 70-week prophecy. They failed to see Jesus Christ as the Messiah who died in the midst of the 70th week. The same thing is happening today! Amazingly, sincere Christian scholars are now misinterpreting the very same prophecy.

The entire "seven-year period of great tribulation" and accompanying "Rapture" theories will go down in history as the biggest evangelical misinterpretation of the 20th century!



posted on Feb, 2 2010 @ 03:30 AM
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Now that you know what it isn't,
would you like to know what it is;
The 'desolating (making empty) abomination (impostor)'
and 'for the overspreading of abominations'?

You could call it First day/ Sunday (as Sabbath) Worship, the making of Holidays (as Holy-days) festivities. the lack of understanding of the Appointed /appointments of GOD, but it's really all about the missing Bible Calendar!


The People in Bible were unconcerned about Chronography (Minutes and Seconds) but there is comprehension of Hours as 12 per day in some instances, though most people knew the day as divided in Quarters (often called a "Watch") -the Morning from dawn to warming -Mid-day from warming to high noon -Afternoon from high noon to the cool of the day -and Evening from cooling to dusk. Night likewise had Early Mid and Late watches but differed from our thinking in that it preceded day as reckoned the Eve of it coming.
A "day" is a YeUM (heat), never a set measure but a varying period of warmth by light, the ancient Hebrew ("Semitic") people used the EL ligature/Icon for "GOD" as its symbol -which represented the Earth on its Axis. Sometimes a "day" refers to a very lengthy period like a Geological age/eon, and other times it is an age/ state of human maturity. The work-day was opportune and according to ones capacity and ability. Today we are more critically "slaves" by definition (to be on-time) than their most harsh servitude ever knew.

As for the Priestly Courses which were the great 'check' of the Calendar being kept, they numbered 24 and operated on a Weekly basis rotating through twice yearly (it was thought before the scrolls were found that the only way they functioned was as at the Temple in set "shifts" fixed in the year to the Jewish lunar Calendar having All 24 Priests serving "chief" together in the major festival weeks of Passover Pentacost(?) and Tabernacles).
There was really 3 weeklong festivals~ Unleavened 1/15-21, Wood 6/25-31 (24-30), Ingathering 7/15-21 (+an 8th the 22nd "Last Great Day"?)
Being 48 would otherwise leave 4 outstanding weeks in the solar yearly 52 weeks, unless they weren't fixed in the year but revolved in succession through the years until at a set point returning to start again. this would happen after 6 years (6x4=24 a full set of the courses), we haven't had the Temple for "Priestly Courses" which always commenced on Shabat (important now only for ascertaining early dates in the life of YeShUaA and later dates in the time of the Apostles, and possibly some of the Revelation), and the Calendar hasn't been in solid use since before the captivity in Babylon, and since then was only restored and maintained by the Qumran community until the Roman diaspora.

See all about it starting at page 85 here:
books.google.com...,+Jewish+and+Christian:+biblical,+intertestamental&source=bl&ot s=DOZfvWZCP1&sig=XjPqLI3fkvyfcERxbNqsCwI7DA0&hl=en&ei=Bz5ZS-3xEYuINsyloIYP&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=30&ved=0CFQQ6AEwHQ#v=onepage&q=Calenda r%20and%20chronology%2C%20Jewish%20and%20Christian%3A%20biblical%2C%20intertestamental&f=false

> DUQaH ("carefully examined" seen in scrutinization) was either a newest moon (ultimately a Solar eclipse), or fullest moon (ultimately a Lunar Eclipse)?



posted on Feb, 2 2010 @ 03:32 AM
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I explained the unique solar calendar of Israel and how it was directed to be intercalated, but it lacks a second intercalation on the long term (which I suggested should be another week each 28 years but nowhere is that directed in a text, and even then the "365.25 value" overplus of .0078 would amount to .39 every 50 years) What is the solution?

It is certain that the Biblical Calendar maintained the 7-day Week as the Anchor fixation, allowing the Solar Year next in importance to negotiate with Lunations rather than strict Moon-months, and by mediation see these come into synchronistic alignings and conjuctions -while also noting the Equinoxes and the Constellations Alphabetical /Zodiac as referential, and even Planets.

(The simpler the overall system, the more comprehensive it can be)

A SOLAR YEAR 365.2422 days
A LUNAR YEAR 354.36705 days (12 lunations)
A LUNATION 29.530588 days
A CALENDAR YEAR 365 days
7 calendar years 2555 days [7x365]
49 calendar years 17,885 days [49 x 365]
50 lunar years 17,718.352 days [600 x 29.530588]

Calending documents -and writings that presuppose their being well understood- comprise a substantial percentage of the Qumran corpus of documents. Indeed adherence to a particular system is the thread that runs through the hundreds of Scrolls. More than any other single element, the Calendar binds these works together as a collection. The Calendar is the intentional element and where their discovery is potencially revolutionary.

A cardinal feature of the written system is the jubilee-period, which consists of seven times seven (49) years. Here we are confronted with a difficulty. The passage in Leviticus (25: 8-14) which ordains the observance of the jubilee-year expressly identifies this, in the present form of the text, with the fiftieth year. It is incredible that the author of a strict scroll of observance like Jubilees would deliberately have violated the express injunctions of the Torah on such a matter, and we are driven to conclude that he had a text before him in which the word 'fiftieth' was absent, that it is added to the text allowing the
explanation that the jubilee-year was the 49th and not the fiftieth.... and that the Septuagint and other ancient versions (including the Samaritan text) current, somehow received the reading. Why this seeming error? Or is the best Calendar surviving from ancient time and so very meticulously worked out in contradiction? The answer is interesting yet requires the math...
49 solar years 17,896.867 days [49 x 365.2422]
50 lunar years 17,718.352 days [600 x 29.530588]
49 calendar years 17,885 days [+ 10 = 17,895]
50 L.Y. + 6 L. 17,895.536 days [606 x 29.530588]
606 months 17,877 days [606 x 29.5 /-1-18 = 17,895]

With just adding a Week of days every end of 6 years and no other intercalation, the end of the 49th calendar year came exactly ten days before the end of the 606th lunation, thus it would make the ideal consecration of an extending point for realigning the Solar and Lunar cycles.
Basically '50 lunar years and a half (or six additional lunations)' equal '49 solar years'... an obvious nearest to synchronous point is arrived upon here with their both being held seperate. But as these were both kept in Luni-Solar balance using the Weekdays as the staple, and intercalation adjusting with weeks had kept them from widely diversifying, here only a 10 day atonement would need occur for precise realignment and the next year would be perfect... BUT 7 DAY WEEKS MUST BE MAINTAINED!

If the "ultimate atunement" intercalate done anciently was every 49-50 then it must've left a 3-days unresolved for keeping the continual week, this would require a very long view of 70-sevens/Sabbatic or 10-Jubilees being 490 years to become a solid intercalary Month like the Jewish Ve-Adar!

Alternatives don't work.



posted on Feb, 2 2010 @ 03:33 AM
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49-year Jubilee cycles appear to make a resolution to depart from a strict compounding of two 19-year (235-month or 6940-day) Metonic cycles plus an additional 11-year (136-month or 4016-day) cycle
[235 + 235 -1- 136 = 606; 6940 -I- 6940 -I- 4016 = 17,896] employing variable months of 29 & 30 days in variable years of 12 6- 13 months (comprising variable lengths of 353, 354, 355, 383, 384 & 385 days) and being complicated were unto confusion;
The Jubilee cycle appears to have resorted to observed lunations and solar synchronism by keeping the Week the continual 'Constant'. If the followers of the Jubilee measure observed lunations - counting 12 to their year - they would simply need to observe another 6 lunations to bring their calendar (17,895.536 days) in line with the number of completed lunations in 49 actual solar years (17,896.867 -^ 29.530588 = 606.04506).

It should also be noted that keeping the 19-year Metonic/ Luni-Solar cycle would comprise twelve years of 12 months (144) and seven years of 13 (91); while the 11-year cycle comprises seven years of 12 months (84) and four years of 13 (52). If one observes both a Solar and a Lunar count...Thus a 49-year compound cycle -employing months- would include 31 years of 12 months (372) plus 18 years of 13 (234) which conveniently matches the total number of lunations in 49 years (606).

The Temple Levitical (post captivity) 50 years Lunar calendar cycle* -computed to the Great Shofar of Redemption on Yom Kippur (as 606 months) then adding a conducting (Yovel) 'fiftieth year' lasting only 10 days; the solar, lunar and calendar cycles 'converging' at lunation 606 unto month 607 with 10 days masquerading as a 'year' 50! (equaling 49 solar ((weeks)) of the original Biblical calendar years of 364 days adding a Week in each 7 years and an additional at the 49th).

A DSS passage warns of the consequences of abandoning the Seven-Sevens (49 Weeks) of years unto Seventy Sevens in favour of a strictly solar (Greek-Roman) or lunar (Babylonian-Egyptian) year, the focus is to remain on the 7 day Week Constant.


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posted on Feb, 2 2010 @ 04:08 AM
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While I appeciate the work you have done on this...
...you are merely highlighting a popular modern view of the location of the Holy of Holies...
...and how the Abomination of Desolation will play out.

There is another view that the Holy of Holies was located on an east-west line sighted from the eastern gate...
...which would place it on the other end of the temple mount on the location of the Dome of the Tablets.

So theoretically a physical third Temple could be rebuilt without interferring with the Dome of the Rock which is then harmlessly located in the outer court.


You should also take into account Jesus relationship to the Temple...

John 2:18-22 "Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things? 19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said."

So Jesus is the Temple...
...and His people are the Temple.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."

This adds a different spin on how the Abomination that makes Desolate may manifest...
...not necessarily as the re-enactment of Antiochus Epiphanies...
...but the actual desolation of Jesus people who are His body and Temple.




posted on Feb, 2 2010 @ 07:58 AM
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Thanks for that - intersting thoughts on the temple.



posted on Feb, 2 2010 @ 08:02 AM
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Thanks for the detailed explanation. It will take sometime to read through the whole argument and properly digest yout thesis. So that I can give it the time it deserves I will refrain from commenting straight away. Can you some it all up in four or five sentences?

All the best.



posted on Feb, 14 2010 @ 08:46 AM
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If allowed to differ, can I suggest that the Jews will build a new temple, NOT on the Dome of the Rock site.

SEE templemount.com

The Dome shall stand as all religions will have to have supposed freedom after the Covenant ending the Iranian War is signed by ten countries.

This giving the Jewish priesthood enough security to start building their 3rd temple. This meaning all the three major religions will have access to the Mount, a precursor to them all melting together under the world political religious military leader called the AC.

The Ark in the new temple shall be a counterfeit, sweep into the temple without scrutiny, as they have to pretend to have one to have the Spirit within.

The abomination of desolation, though is placed inside the Holy of Holies, as mentioned earlier. This mega computer, taking one whole month to install, is the brains behind joining all the world to the AC interactively, straight from this 3rd temple.



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 08:11 PM
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Daniel 9:24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

This part is about Jesus Christ

25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

The legal state of Israel was founded May 14, 1948. From the going
forth of this date shall be 69 weeks. We convert the weeks to years
and get 1948+69=2017

26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

After 62 weeks the Messiah shall be cut off but not for himself.

1948+62=2010 and the people of the prince that shall come (abbadon/appollyon) shall come and destroy the city and sanctuary

27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate

Beginning 2010 he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week
one week = 7 years 2010-2017
and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the
oblation to cease. middle of week is 2013

If this is correct than 2010 also marks the year God's witnesses are given the power to prophesy.

Revelation 11:3
And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

(those who worship within)1260=3.5 years 2010-2013

Revelation 11:2
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

(those who worship without)42=3.5 years 2010-2013

revelation 11:7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them

.....and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease

The witnesses are the sacrifice and oblation. He causes them to cease by killing them. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation stand in the holy place...

Matthew 24:21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 09:01 PM
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you don't have to read far to see he blew it quick...right off the bat!
m you have to read the scripture to get this....the church parenthesis that is the missing time for the gentilesto graft in...it's a mystery in the new covenent....from paul....don't let anyone distract that by leaving out the basic verses!

pseudointellectual leaving out pertinent verses



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 09:05 PM
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I thought the actual site was several thousand feet from the dome site.. not sure how much a cubit is though



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 09:36 PM
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Please take this with a grain of salt. It is only my "gut" or intuition that speaks to me when I hear the words "Abomination of Desolation".

I am not discrediting the actual scripture and I am not trying to interpret this for others, I am only telling you my gut feelings on this.

"Abomination of Desolation" and "Abomination that causes Desolation" are two different things.

Here is my take on the first one: An Abomination is a creature or creation outside of God's Will. It can be an action but most times it is simply more tangible than an action, such as mixing DNA and so forth. A Chimera could be considered an Abomination.

A desolation is a void. It can occur as much as it can be just that "without", so for a disease to cause desolation is as much a desolation as it would be if something did not have an element to make it fruitful or full (such as a situation of inert). So a stasis can be a moment of desolation if it is without something that produces or the act of producing.

So in my "gut" this is what I hear: A clone of a Man, living or not, is void of a soul because that soul already exists. For example, if someone were to take the DNA of Christ and recreate him in living form, a clone of Christ, it would not be Christ but a "Abomination of Desolation".

My reasoning on this has to do with the possibility that Prince William is the Clone of the Shroud of Turin. If this is true, then he really is an "Abomination", and without a Soul he would be "of Desolation".

I have always found this picture fascinating:




posted on Aug, 21 2010 @ 08:37 AM
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There were some errors in my calculations. I forgot to take in consideration that a bible year is 360 days. The day Israel was founded is also not really a solid date to go by. I was doing more research when I stumbled on some really interesting connections.

The foundation of the IDF which is the Israeli Defense Forces was officially founded May 31, 1948, 2 weeks afters Israel is declared independent.

IDF

Using this date as the starting point, I did my recalculations.

69 weeks = (69*360) = 24840 days
62 weeks = (62*360) = 22320 days

May 31, 1948 + 24840 days = June 03, 2016
May 31, 1948 + 22320 days = July 10, 2009

July 10, 2009 + 1260days = December 21, 2012

isn't that vierd



posted on Aug, 21 2010 @ 09:38 AM
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I disagree about what constitutes the

ABOMINATION THAT MAKES DESOLATE.

I believe it is clear from the verses involved that the AC will set up his image in the new HOLY OF HOLIES and require the image to be worshiped as God.

THAT image and command, imho, constitute the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION.

And, it has to happen at the 3.5 year mark of the 7 year peace treaty he makes with Israel.

And THEN the Jews wake up and realize they've been hoodwinked by the AC and start to flee as he slaughters them by the thousands from the Temple outward.




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