No! You don't want ESP., page 1
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reply posted on 1-2-2010 @ 08:55 AM by LordBucket
reply to post by Grayelf2009




I would really like some advice from someone aged in this field.


Deal with it.

With power and knowledge comes responsibility. No, not some delusional self-sacrifice fantasy responsibility to others...the simple responsibility of choice and result. If you have the power to acheive an end, you have noone to blame but yourself if you accomplish that end. That is de-facto responsibility.

Ignorance and powerlessness are not virtues. Having power and awareness is not a bad thing.

Stop whining about wanting to put the djinn back into the bottle. Simply make a wish that will bring you a result that you want.


[edit on 1-2-2010 by LordBucket]


reply posted on 1-2-2010 @ 09:11 AM by Namaste
reply to post by earthdude



How could you hoonestly assert that as a fact? He can't pass a test of "delusion of grandeur" without you knowing for a fact his claim is a fallacy. Give him the benefit of the doubt.


reply posted on 1-2-2010 @ 09:11 AM by Grayelf2009
reply to post by earthdude



I wish it was a delusion....but I was asking for advice not someone who knows me not make claims about my abilities of ESP or whatever you want to call it. But thanks for the post anyways.


reply posted on 1-2-2010 @ 09:13 AM by Grayelf2009
reply to post by LordBucket



Im really gonna think your reply over. Thank you for the "Tough Love".
It has been a long week and my brain hurts.


reply posted on 1-2-2010 @ 09:49 AM by XXXN3O
reply to post by Grayelf2009



Have you ever considered that these dreams might in fact be parables, for example, if you dream of your house falling down, theres something wrong that you need to change about yourself as it will lead to your downfall.

Dreaming disturbing things that appear like the future might not actually be about that at all. It could even be nothing of course but if it were something worth noticing, it might not be literally what you see with your eyes.



[edit on 1-2-2010 by XXXN3O]


reply posted on 1-2-2010 @ 09:54 AM by truthseeker1984
reply to post by Grayelf2009



I've had these gifts all of my life, and I can say that it has indeed been a tough road. I had to mentally condition myself over many years to shut out everybody's thoughts when I was in a crowded bar (one of my favorite places to go for sports, burgers, and beer on the weekends). It doesn't stop ever. There is no magical on/off switch, so I guess you have one of two options:

1) You keep being affected by your gifts and let it drive you all the way to the rubber room in the looney bin

-or-

2) You learn how to use your gifts to help others, and most importantly, help yourself.

There is a reason why you have been "awakened" and maybe you should start reading up on meditation and mind relaxing techniques in the hopes of being able to control your gifts for the benefit of others.

As far as seeing Phoenix being destroyed, well, the future is constantly under revision. As I tell my clients when giving them messages from loved ones or something as simple as a Tarot reading, I state that very fact. I might hold less accountability on my end if I am wrong, but I have had many happy customers. I tend to see these visions as guidelines rather than catastrophic events.


So, to sum it up, man up, deal with it, and learn to control it or it will control you.


reply posted on 1-2-2010 @ 10:33 AM by DrJay1975
Here's the thing. Your talking about prophetic dreams. Eugen Tarnow suggests that dreams are ever-present excitations of long-term memory, even during waking life. The strangeness of dreams is due to the format of long-term memory, reminiscent of Penfield & Rasmussen’s findings that electrical excitations of the cortex give rise to experiences similar to dreams. During waking life an executive function interprets long term memory consistent with reality checking. Tarnow's theory is a reworking of Freud's theory of dreams in which Freud's unconscious is replaced with the long-term memory system and Freud's “Dream Work” describes the structure of long-term memory

A 2001 study showed evidence that illogical locations, characters, and dream flow may help the brain strengthen the linking and consolidation of semantic memories. These conditions may occur because, during REM sleep, the flow of information between the hippocampus and neocortex is reduced.[17] Increasing levels of the stress hormone cortisol late in sleep (often during REM sleep) cause this decreased communication. One stage of memory consolidation is the linking of distant but related memories. Payne and Nadal hypothesize that these memories are then consolidated into a smooth narrative, similar to a process that happens when memories are created under stress

Hughlings Jackson (1911) viewed that sleep serves to sweep away unnecessary memories and connections from the day. This was revised in 1983 by Crick and Mitchison's 'reverse learning' theory, which states that dreams are like the cleaning-up operations of computers when they are off-line, removing parasitic nodes and other "junk" from the mind during sleep.[19][20] However, the opposite view that dreaming has an information handling, memory-consolidating function (Hennevin and Leconte, 1971) is also common. Dreams are a result of the spontaneous firings of neural patterns while the brain is undergoing memory consolidation during sleep.

Freud suggested that bad dreams let the brain learn to gain control over emotions resulting from distressing experiences.A number of thinkers have commented on the similarities between the phenomenology of dreams and that of psychosis. Features common to the two states include thought disorder, flattened or inappropriate affect (emotion), and hallucination. Among philosophers, Kant, for example, wrote that ‘the lunatic is a wakeful dreamer’.[43] Schopenhauer said: ‘A dream is a short-lasting psychosis, and a psychosis is a long-lasting dream.’[44] In the field of psychoanalysis, Freud wrote: ‘A dream then, is a psychosis’,[45] and Jung: ‘Let the dreamer walk about and act like one awakened and we have the clinical picture of dementia praecox.’[46]

McCreery[47][48] has sought to explain these similarities by reference to the fact, documented by Oswald,[49] that sleep can supervene as a reaction to extreme stress and hyper-arousal. McCreery adduces evidence that psychotics are people with a tendency to hyper-arousal, and suggests that this renders them prone to what Oswald calls ‘microsleeps’ during waking life. He points in particular to the paradoxical finding of Stevens and Darbyshire[50] that patients suffering from catatonia can be roused from their seeming stupor by the administration of sedatives rather than stimulants.

Griffin and Tyrrell[51] go so far as to say that "schizophrenia is waking reality processed through the dreaming brain."[

According to surveys, it is common for people to feel that their dreams are predicting subsequent life events.[60] Psychologists have explained these experiences in terms of memory biases, namely a selective memory for accurate predictions and distorted memory so that dreams are retrospectively fitted onto life experiences.[60] The multi-faceted nature of dreams makes it easy to find connections between dream content and real events[61]

In one experiment, subjects were asked to write down their dreams in a diary. This prevented the selective memory effect, and the dreams no longer seemed accurate about the future.[62] Another experiment gave subjects a fake diary of a student with apparently precognitive dreams. This diary described events from the person's life, as well as some predictive dreams and some non-predictive dreams. When subjects were asked to recall the dreams they had read, they remembered more of the successful predictions than unsuccessful ones.

The future isn't fixed. Anyone can have a "prophetic dream". Theres always a chance it can come true. But free will makes it impossible to determine if a dream is truly prophetic. Did you assist in the actualization of it because you dreamt it? Or was it coincidence. ais anything destiny, is anything coincidence? You'll never know.


reply posted on 1-2-2010 @ 10:58 AM by redoubt
reply to post by Grayelf2009




No! You don't want ESP.


There is no such thing as ESP. The ability to interact with people and animals above vocal communication is not unnatural.

But.. you are right. There is a price that comes with the enhanced versions of this biologic software. It must be mastered or it will master you and we, as humans, are just way too faulty to be trusted to this alone.

Consider it a muscle that is exercised for strength, used in practical applications to learn how to use it in more advanced stages. Know the number dial on a telephone three rooms away before you try to know the conversation that follows.

There is nothing to fear except your humanity.


reply posted on 1-2-2010 @ 11:14 AM by SeekerofTruth101
A gifted child today would mean one who is gifted in intelligence and music abilities beyond his years by the Establishment, are funded and encouraged.

Any other gifts, they remain silent, not because they dont believe in it, but they have no answer or comprehension of it using today's science to verify it.

Thus it can frustrating for one with such gifts and are even ostracised. Never be envious of gifted children, but pity them.....

They would like to be just like every normal child, - study hard, get good grades, find love, settle down with marriage, raise kids of their own and grow old with their families around and watch sunsets together, even for those gifted in intelligence and music....

But the gifted child cannot, for he/she is different from normal kids. Many of them if properly guided, would contribute healthily to humanity and solve many of humanity's problems and are appreciated. But some cannot handle such gifts, espacially the teenagers as their differences becomes more pronounced against other normal teens and fall upon the wayside...

Why are these children given such gifts? I have no answer, but it seems they are placed upon humanity with a purpose in life. Their every move seems predestined.

Even though there is free will, some use it to fight such predestined path and lose their direction. They are already different from others, and to choose a normal life would be impossible. They cannot deviate from the path set out for them.

Such gift CANNOT be humanly controlled. It is natural, and will only occur naturally. There is no on/off switch known. Some realize it, and follow the set path instead of rebelling. Once they follow the path, unknown even to them, through numerous experiences in life. knowing its up and downs, will its purpose manifest itself.

It MAY not be one of wealth and success, may even be poverty, but only upon understanding humanity and the differences can that gifted child understand and be ready to assist mankind.

That gift bestowed is NOT free. It comes with a RESPONSIBILIY - to help mankind.Given by who, I know not. But it can't be wrong, if it is meant to help humanity and touch lives for the better.

My suggestions to OP - keep calm, make peace with yourself and know you have a purpose in life. You are not alone with such gifts, but not many have similar gifts you have, so group therapy sessions may not help, for each gifted child's path will be different.

As to how and when that gift will be called up, you will know it naturally from your heart. Live life as normal as you can, do not dwell too much upon your difference and attempt to rebel against it. Learn to go with the flow, live and love, and most important of all - hurt no one.



reply posted on 1-2-2010 @ 11:15 AM by SaturnFX
See the truth behind the veil of lies: Thats called perspective, nothing unusual about that

Having catastrophic dreams...you dream nightly...and potentially dozens of dreams nightly, most only a few minutes long however in the "dreamworld". days, weeks, months may pass. within a few weeks, you would have centuries mapped out. in knowing that, how many so far have come true? Law of average will dictate that eventually some stuff will come true, especially the more general happenings...but consider how many dreams simply didnt come true.

Feeling other peoples emotions or lifeforce. This I would open my mind to possibilities...animals do create a energy field around them and its plausable that a person sensetive to such a field would pick up on that...I guess that would be a semi-correct use of the term ESP.

The rest, you simply would have to prove. There is a test you can take, and if your claims are proven true, you win a million bucks. Here is the general point where those whom claim say they either wont do it because they are not greedy, wont work because of the intent, bad energy, etc etc etc excuse excuse excuse. If you want to know more, feel free to simply ask here (I am sure there will be plenty of people that will give you the randi challenge link), or if you must, u2u me.

I expect neither to happen incidently.

You claim something, then you offer advice based on that claim. I think first off, you need to prove the claim..once that is established, feel free advise people all you want.


reply posted on 1-2-2010 @ 01:34 PM by Unity_99
reply to post by Grayelf2009



Psi gifts are something we need to enhance, and push our limits on consciousness. Not ever suppress in any way. This is the advancement of the human race.

There are 2 sides to the coin, we do have possible warnings given of possible timeline events, some disasters. Not everyone gets that. I share the energy recognition, reading signatures, place, events, postcard contacts with crafts, and have been an experiencer all my life. Energy in telepathy translates into images, hence I call them postcards. Quite a few different types of activation and further activation of gifts has occurred.

Only once did I step into two different rivers of waves, and see two different timeline endings and the first was disastrous, the second was disclosure and positive change for humanity. From others I have talked to, they also have seen those two timelines, they seem to be the most prevalent possibilities.

At no point would I ever wish to suppress this, but intend to push every limit I can until telepathy is reached.

The other side is that you are more aware of the matrix, it slips. You become more aware of negatives. You have to have faith in love and light, and in the Prime Creator, and the Universal Energy, like the Force in Starwars, and start to do law of affinity, manifesting work, and work at raising your frequency higher by nature, by dolpins and whale songs and videos on youtubes, binaurals, such as bach to the future, on the bach to the future thread. Do chakra meditations, and learn how to let go of fear, and love everyone and everything unconditionally.

The events did not occur because of your gift. I'm terribly sorry that you suffered losses of those you loved. But the gift is part of our wonderful multidimensional natures. Ingo Swann says we have thousands of bilogical toggles in our bodies for this and are being suppressed by our leaders, reduced to mindless slaves, who still are manifestors, co-creators, parts of God, and yet are being spoon fed violence and chaos and so we subconsciously manifest this hell on earth.

Wake up, spread your wings.

"I am aware, and know who I am in source, my cosmic nature, and my memories are returning, I am connecting to my higher self, and learning why I've come to this planet, my abilities and natural gifts are activated now, this is manifesting now, and grows stronger each and every day. I am light and love, and wish to see the light in everyone, under the masks we all wear, to reclaim and love every aspect of self in this game of oneness, facing the light the shadow and loving all to wellness. I am growing and evolving, my dna is healing and I will remember. I am tuning out the negative in order to pay attention to that which I need to see."



"I will awaken
I will spread my wings of love and awareness, with memories of who I truly am, and why I have come to this planet.
It is my will and will of the Creator
I fear no evil for I am the light and love of the Creator
I affirm this with my heart and soul
for light gives me strength and I will do what is right, on task, on mission, for love and freedom's win.



I am emerging now into my cosmic self, my true self, with all of my memories and skills. My true self will no longer be silenced. It is so."
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