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No! You don't want ESP.

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posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 08:36 AM
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For those who think having the gift/power of ESP or De'ja vue is someting they wish they had....be careful what you ask for. I can tell you from experience its not allways a good thing.

It comes with a price.

Yes I can feel the energy/lifeforce in crystals

Yes I can find things like fossils from my 6th sense

Yes I can see the truth behind the wall of lies and the negative energy it spills forth.

but I have dreams , dreams with all my senses ....my strong emotional dreams come true.....I have seen my friends gravestones....lost a whole family of friends from that one. I would love to here someone try to explaine why I would dream that.

I think from a dream 20 years ago that the city of Phoenix is not gonna be there soon, I really hope Im wrong.

I can feel people and their "lifeforce" sometimes wether I want to or not....its not fun .

So for those who wish they had the power to choose the right lotto ticket....you really don't want that gift.

I would really like some advice from someone aged in this field.





mod , I wasen't sure if this was the right fourm,move if needed.Thanks




posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 08:55 AM
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I would really like some advice from someone aged in this field.


Deal with it.

With power and knowledge comes responsibility. No, not some delusional self-sacrifice fantasy responsibility to others...the simple responsibility of choice and result. If you have the power to acheive an end, you have noone to blame but yourself if you accomplish that end. That is de-facto responsibility.

Ignorance and powerlessness are not virtues. Having power and awareness is not a bad thing.

Stop whining about wanting to put the djinn back into the bottle. Simply make a wish that will bring you a result that you want.


[edit on 1-2-2010 by LordBucket]



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 09:03 AM
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The test for ESP is very simple and easy. I highly doubt anyone here could pass it. You have, however, passed the test for delusions of grandeur. I like to think I can read minds at times and the thoughts are very negative.



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 09:07 AM
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Your challenge is to deal with it knowing you can't do anything about most of the things you foresee. And if you do see a way to change the outcome people will say you are a liar because your prediction did not happen.

The universe loves irony, so you better be able to laugh about it.



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 09:11 AM
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How could you hoonestly assert that as a fact? He can't pass a test of "delusion of grandeur" without you knowing for a fact his claim is a fallacy. Give him the benefit of the doubt.



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 09:11 AM
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I wish it was a delusion....but I was asking for advice not someone who knows me not make claims about my abilities of ESP or whatever you want to call it. But thanks for the post anyways.



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 09:13 AM
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Im really gonna think your reply over. Thank you for the "Tough Love".
It has been a long week and my brain hurts.



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 09:39 AM
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hmmm what exactly are you not happy about? the fact that you have the power to see the future? come on man i understand it might not be what you expected it to be but if you can prove to yourself that you actually have this ability it should be the happiest day of your life.

i know i would be. all you need to do is learn to control it.



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 09:49 AM
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Have you ever considered that these dreams might in fact be parables, for example, if you dream of your house falling down, theres something wrong that you need to change about yourself as it will lead to your downfall.

Dreaming disturbing things that appear like the future might not actually be about that at all. It could even be nothing of course but if it were something worth noticing, it might not be literally what you see with your eyes.



[edit on 1-2-2010 by XXXN3O]



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 09:54 AM
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I've had these gifts all of my life, and I can say that it has indeed been a tough road. I had to mentally condition myself over many years to shut out everybody's thoughts when I was in a crowded bar (one of my favorite places to go for sports, burgers, and beer on the weekends). It doesn't stop ever. There is no magical on/off switch, so I guess you have one of two options:

1) You keep being affected by your gifts and let it drive you all the way to the rubber room in the looney bin

-or-

2) You learn how to use your gifts to help others, and most importantly, help yourself.

There is a reason why you have been "awakened" and maybe you should start reading up on meditation and mind relaxing techniques in the hopes of being able to control your gifts for the benefit of others.

As far as seeing Phoenix being destroyed, well, the future is constantly under revision. As I tell my clients when giving them messages from loved ones or something as simple as a Tarot reading, I state that very fact. I might hold less accountability on my end if I am wrong, but I have had many happy customers. I tend to see these visions as guidelines rather than catastrophic events.


So, to sum it up, man up, deal with it, and learn to control it or it will control you.



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 10:33 AM
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Here's the thing. Your talking about prophetic dreams. Eugen Tarnow suggests that dreams are ever-present excitations of long-term memory, even during waking life. The strangeness of dreams is due to the format of long-term memory, reminiscent of Penfield & Rasmussen’s findings that electrical excitations of the cortex give rise to experiences similar to dreams. During waking life an executive function interprets long term memory consistent with reality checking. Tarnow's theory is a reworking of Freud's theory of dreams in which Freud's unconscious is replaced with the long-term memory system and Freud's “Dream Work” describes the structure of long-term memory

A 2001 study showed evidence that illogical locations, characters, and dream flow may help the brain strengthen the linking and consolidation of semantic memories. These conditions may occur because, during REM sleep, the flow of information between the hippocampus and neocortex is reduced.[17] Increasing levels of the stress hormone cortisol late in sleep (often during REM sleep) cause this decreased communication. One stage of memory consolidation is the linking of distant but related memories. Payne and Nadal hypothesize that these memories are then consolidated into a smooth narrative, similar to a process that happens when memories are created under stress

Hughlings Jackson (1911) viewed that sleep serves to sweep away unnecessary memories and connections from the day. This was revised in 1983 by Crick and Mitchison's 'reverse learning' theory, which states that dreams are like the cleaning-up operations of computers when they are off-line, removing parasitic nodes and other "junk" from the mind during sleep.[19][20] However, the opposite view that dreaming has an information handling, memory-consolidating function (Hennevin and Leconte, 1971) is also common. Dreams are a result of the spontaneous firings of neural patterns while the brain is undergoing memory consolidation during sleep.

Freud suggested that bad dreams let the brain learn to gain control over emotions resulting from distressing experiences.A number of thinkers have commented on the similarities between the phenomenology of dreams and that of psychosis. Features common to the two states include thought disorder, flattened or inappropriate affect (emotion), and hallucination. Among philosophers, Kant, for example, wrote that ‘the lunatic is a wakeful dreamer’.[43] Schopenhauer said: ‘A dream is a short-lasting psychosis, and a psychosis is a long-lasting dream.’[44] In the field of psychoanalysis, Freud wrote: ‘A dream then, is a psychosis’,[45] and Jung: ‘Let the dreamer walk about and act like one awakened and we have the clinical picture of dementia praecox.’[46]

McCreery[47][48] has sought to explain these similarities by reference to the fact, documented by Oswald,[49] that sleep can supervene as a reaction to extreme stress and hyper-arousal. McCreery adduces evidence that psychotics are people with a tendency to hyper-arousal, and suggests that this renders them prone to what Oswald calls ‘microsleeps’ during waking life. He points in particular to the paradoxical finding of Stevens and Darbyshire[50] that patients suffering from catatonia can be roused from their seeming stupor by the administration of sedatives rather than stimulants.

Griffin and Tyrrell[51] go so far as to say that "schizophrenia is waking reality processed through the dreaming brain."[

According to surveys, it is common for people to feel that their dreams are predicting subsequent life events.[60] Psychologists have explained these experiences in terms of memory biases, namely a selective memory for accurate predictions and distorted memory so that dreams are retrospectively fitted onto life experiences.[60] The multi-faceted nature of dreams makes it easy to find connections between dream content and real events[61]

In one experiment, subjects were asked to write down their dreams in a diary. This prevented the selective memory effect, and the dreams no longer seemed accurate about the future.[62] Another experiment gave subjects a fake diary of a student with apparently precognitive dreams. This diary described events from the person's life, as well as some predictive dreams and some non-predictive dreams. When subjects were asked to recall the dreams they had read, they remembered more of the successful predictions than unsuccessful ones.

The future isn't fixed. Anyone can have a "prophetic dream". Theres always a chance it can come true. But free will makes it impossible to determine if a dream is truly prophetic. Did you assist in the actualization of it because you dreamt it? Or was it coincidence. ais anything destiny, is anything coincidence? You'll never know.



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 10:43 AM
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Time to act upon what you think is right. Don't just let yourself be bombarded like some helpless oracle from the Minority Report.



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 10:50 AM
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Grayelf2009, yes I would absolutely be delighted to be able choose winning lottery numbers. I assume you suggest you have such a talent, so please private message me the next Powerball winning numbers. Your talent should not be wasted, and I can put the winnings to good use. Please private message me the numbers, and upon winning, I will make known to everyone that you do indeed have these talents that you suggest others would not want. Otherwise I will put you in the same category as the so-called aliens whom come on here and make posts suggesting that they have arrived to save us and our planet.



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 10:58 AM
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No! You don't want ESP.


There is no such thing as ESP. The ability to interact with people and animals above vocal communication is not unnatural.

But.. you are right. There is a price that comes with the enhanced versions of this biologic software. It must be mastered or it will master you and we, as humans, are just way too faulty to be trusted to this alone.

Consider it a muscle that is exercised for strength, used in practical applications to learn how to use it in more advanced stages. Know the number dial on a telephone three rooms away before you try to know the conversation that follows.

There is nothing to fear except your humanity.



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 11:14 AM
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A gifted child today would mean one who is gifted in intelligence and music abilities beyond his years by the Establishment, are funded and encouraged.

Any other gifts, they remain silent, not because they dont believe in it, but they have no answer or comprehension of it using today's science to verify it.

Thus it can frustrating for one with such gifts and are even ostracised. Never be envious of gifted children, but pity them.....

They would like to be just like every normal child, - study hard, get good grades, find love, settle down with marriage, raise kids of their own and grow old with their families around and watch sunsets together, even for those gifted in intelligence and music....

But the gifted child cannot, for he/she is different from normal kids. Many of them if properly guided, would contribute healthily to humanity and solve many of humanity's problems and are appreciated. But some cannot handle such gifts, espacially the teenagers as their differences becomes more pronounced against other normal teens and fall upon the wayside...

Why are these children given such gifts? I have no answer, but it seems they are placed upon humanity with a purpose in life. Their every move seems predestined.

Even though there is free will, some use it to fight such predestined path and lose their direction. They are already different from others, and to choose a normal life would be impossible. They cannot deviate from the path set out for them.

Such gift CANNOT be humanly controlled. It is natural, and will only occur naturally. There is no on/off switch known. Some realize it, and follow the set path instead of rebelling. Once they follow the path, unknown even to them, through numerous experiences in life. knowing its up and downs, will its purpose manifest itself.

It MAY not be one of wealth and success, may even be poverty, but only upon understanding humanity and the differences can that gifted child understand and be ready to assist mankind.

That gift bestowed is NOT free. It comes with a RESPONSIBILIY - to help mankind.Given by who, I know not. But it can't be wrong, if it is meant to help humanity and touch lives for the better.

My suggestions to OP - keep calm, make peace with yourself and know you have a purpose in life. You are not alone with such gifts, but not many have similar gifts you have, so group therapy sessions may not help, for each gifted child's path will be different.

As to how and when that gift will be called up, you will know it naturally from your heart. Live life as normal as you can, do not dwell too much upon your difference and attempt to rebel against it. Learn to go with the flow, live and love, and most important of all - hurt no one.



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 11:15 AM
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See the truth behind the veil of lies: Thats called perspective, nothing unusual about that

Having catastrophic dreams...you dream nightly...and potentially dozens of dreams nightly, most only a few minutes long however in the "dreamworld". days, weeks, months may pass. within a few weeks, you would have centuries mapped out. in knowing that, how many so far have come true? Law of average will dictate that eventually some stuff will come true, especially the more general happenings...but consider how many dreams simply didnt come true.

Feeling other peoples emotions or lifeforce. This I would open my mind to possibilities...animals do create a energy field around them and its plausable that a person sensetive to such a field would pick up on that...I guess that would be a semi-correct use of the term ESP.

The rest, you simply would have to prove. There is a test you can take, and if your claims are proven true, you win a million bucks. Here is the general point where those whom claim say they either wont do it because they are not greedy, wont work because of the intent, bad energy, etc etc etc excuse excuse excuse. If you want to know more, feel free to simply ask here (I am sure there will be plenty of people that will give you the randi challenge link), or if you must, u2u me.

I expect neither to happen incidently.

You claim something, then you offer advice based on that claim. I think first off, you need to prove the claim..once that is established, feel free advise people all you want.



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by Grayelf2009

I think from a dream 20 years ago that the city of Phoenix is not gonna be there soon, I really hope Im wrong.


Yeah, I hope you are wrong here too...seing as I live here and all. Can you expand more on this dream you had?



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 12:44 PM
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What a great bunch of helpful post to dwell on.

I guess the whole reason of the OP was a recent dream that came true...one of my friends diohhed and I seen the date on the grave stone almost a year before.....just don't understand why I would dream that.

I can't pick lotto numbers but seem to have a good ability to pick the right scratch ticket most of the time.

As for Phoenix...in my dream I was with a women and 3 kids I think, been a while, anywho we were walking through the ruins of Phoenix....just can't remember what did it in....and it could have been any city , I was living there at the time of the dream so I felt it meant that city ...don't go to the bank on that prediction please.

I really want to thank everyone for all the input and advice....I will be ok ....just needed to get it off my chest.



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 01:34 PM
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Psi gifts are something we need to enhance, and push our limits on consciousness. Not ever suppress in any way. This is the advancement of the human race.

There are 2 sides to the coin, we do have possible warnings given of possible timeline events, some disasters. Not everyone gets that. I share the energy recognition, reading signatures, place, events, postcard contacts with crafts, and have been an experiencer all my life. Energy in telepathy translates into images, hence I call them postcards. Quite a few different types of activation and further activation of gifts has occurred.

Only once did I step into two different rivers of waves, and see two different timeline endings and the first was disastrous, the second was disclosure and positive change for humanity. From others I have talked to, they also have seen those two timelines, they seem to be the most prevalent possibilities.

At no point would I ever wish to suppress this, but intend to push every limit I can until telepathy is reached.

The other side is that you are more aware of the matrix, it slips. You become more aware of negatives. You have to have faith in love and light, and in the Prime Creator, and the Universal Energy, like the Force in Starwars, and start to do law of affinity, manifesting work, and work at raising your frequency higher by nature, by dolpins and whale songs and videos on youtubes, binaurals, such as bach to the future, on the bach to the future thread. Do chakra meditations, and learn how to let go of fear, and love everyone and everything unconditionally.

The events did not occur because of your gift. I'm terribly sorry that you suffered losses of those you loved. But the gift is part of our wonderful multidimensional natures. Ingo Swann says we have thousands of bilogical toggles in our bodies for this and are being suppressed by our leaders, reduced to mindless slaves, who still are manifestors, co-creators, parts of God, and yet are being spoon fed violence and chaos and so we subconsciously manifest this hell on earth.

Wake up, spread your wings.

"I am aware, and know who I am in source, my cosmic nature, and my memories are returning, I am connecting to my higher self, and learning why I've come to this planet, my abilities and natural gifts are activated now, this is manifesting now, and grows stronger each and every day. I am light and love, and wish to see the light in everyone, under the masks we all wear, to reclaim and love every aspect of self in this game of oneness, facing the light the shadow and loving all to wellness. I am growing and evolving, my dna is healing and I will remember. I am tuning out the negative in order to pay attention to that which I need to see."



"I will awaken
I will spread my wings of love and awareness, with memories of who I truly am, and why I have come to this planet.
It is my will and will of the Creator
I fear no evil for I am the light and love of the Creator
I affirm this with my heart and soul
for light gives me strength and I will do what is right, on task, on mission, for love and freedom's win.



I am emerging now into my cosmic self, my true self, with all of my memories and skills. My true self will no longer be silenced. It is so."



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 02:22 PM
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Take the test. It is easy. Prove what you say. What reasons do you have not to take the test?




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