Solid rocket fuel exhaust, in this case aluminium oxide (sapphire), is blue. The exhaust spiral can be traced back to the horizon, where it clearly
is white against the lit sky. It's only after the white spiral starts, and the rocket leaves the atmosphere, does the rocket exhaust become an
actual blue spiral.
These points have been brought up time and time again, but some folks simply don't read or understand them.
A rocket, spinning, ejecting something from one side, easily explains all we've seen. Whether the white ejecta is due to its maneuvering
capabilities, or some countermeasures, or a failure, is up for debate, but what we saw can 100% be explained by a failed missile. No one has managed
to show actual evidence as to why that explanation isn't accurate. They shout a lot, bang on about HAARP and EISCAT, but they have yet managed to
show one shred of contrary evidence.
Often after reading a thread on ATS I feel like a mental midget, now I feel mentally impaired. Sir, I salute you. I wish that you would take this
unbiased, mathematical, sceintific approach and apply it to every conspiracy theory that comes across ATS. I want to believe, but I want to believe
with the evidence that supports my belief. I don't want to blindly swallow every conspiracy theory that comes along.
Is there any chance that I could talk you into looking at the twin towers and tower number seven with that analytical mind of yours. Seriously, please
consider it and I will be anxiously awaiting your reply.
I don't know if you are aware that they have discovered nano thermites in the dust from the area. Not off topic...just a teaser
I would again like to commend the OP on the work showing that the spiral was caused by the Bulava missile. But I do not believe that the possibility
of the spiral being a result of a failure has been eliminated.
Without knowing the exact location of the cameras used it is difficult to use local terrain as viewed on Google Earth to arrive at precise directions.
For example in the case of the image from Storsteinnes, by using the coordinates 69º14'15.93"N, 19º18'36.42E and looking almost due east across
the bay toward the distinctively shaped mountain, it appears the spiral would have been located just a tiny bit south of east.
A statement from ATS member Gromle who witnessed the spiral, says.
The mountain is called Nordfjellet, and is about 620 meters high.
And the long exposure shot is taken almost in direct eastern direction.
www.abovetopsecret.com... Though it
does seem he has mistaken the location of the image and the mountain in it for Nordfjellet it does seem to indicate that the spiral was in the
While it is difficult to exactly duplicate the view from Skjervoy on Google Earth, the view to the SSE bears no resemblance to that of the photos
while the view to the east does.
With this in mind, the spiral would seem to have been on a different trajectory than the OP places it. Because of the marine warnings which were
issued prior to the launch we know the location of the launch. We also know the Bulava is maneuverable. I believe that the missile may have been
launched in a north-northeasterly direction then turned east toward its target. This may have been done in order to avoid flying over populated areas
of northern Russia or as a test of maneuvering ability. This being the case, it would have been viewed from northern Norway and Sweden with a tail on
aspect. This indicates that a spinning third stage could have produced the spiral as has been described.
As a person who has seen quite a few missile launches, I can say that I HAVE NEVER, EVER, SEEN A BLUE TRAIL LEFT AS A RESULT OF A MISSILE TEST. This
would be the first missile ever to leave such a remnant/artifact.
So maybe not a blue trail like seen in Norway but it's not uncommon for these types of rockets to leave "blue haze or clouds" in its exhaust
trail.. have a look
"About fifteen minutes after launch, the sun has set on most of the rocket exhaust. A glowing blue cloud of material is visible at left."
"On October 14th, 2002, the Missile Defense Agency launched a Minuteman II as part of a test of the new "Ground-Based Midcourse Defense". There
were thick clouds overhead so I didn't think I would get to see anything of the launch, but I was wrong - the contrail was lit by sunlight and was
spectacular. ...... The missile launched from lower right and headed towards the upper left. The blue cloud is from the missile."
And a possible explanation for the twisting and discoloration (so to speak) of the blue trail:
"High altitude winds quickly go to work, twisting the exhaust trail. Ice crystals form and give us the rainbow of colors." source
Now from all the images we've seen of the Norway event, the spirals seem to have been much closer to the photographers than they actually were, and
much lower in altitude than they actually were-- but this thread shows that these spirals were much higher up than we all thought...
I believe too that the blue spiral is actually pointing away from the point of observation (the photographers) and not actually from right to left as
it would appear
My apologies here, BUT, the simplest answer is the correct one. And the explanation given is far to long and, in my opinion, misse sthe mark.
The spiral is made up of one white anomoly, not two, so the 180 degrees apart "leak" doesn't fit. The "blue" material, whatever it may be, can
not be rocket exhaust, for anyone who has witnessed a rocket launch the exhaust does not end up in a perfect line and does not swirl, nor does it
spread out in a blue hue. The rate of speed of the rocket as well would not fit here, distance traveled by time. For this event to be so perfect. From
watching the videos taken.
Just doesn't seem to fit. Looking at all the other "rocket" or "missile" failures and seeing no evidence of that happening here. I would like to
believe it but just can not. My apologies. I think it is just another distraction from what we really need to focus on.
The "blue" material, whatever it may be, can not be rocket exhaust, for anyone who has witnessed a rocket launch the exhaust does not end up in a
perfect line and does not swirl, nor does it spread out in a blue hue.
Very well done in terms of surveying know how. Some of your observations and numbers are inaccurate to a degree, but not enough to take away from the
approx. location and measurements you have provided.
I have a few questions to pose.
The approx. radius of the "void" and the rate of expansion.
Upon multiple observations it would seem the "void" reaches the size of what you labeled "55km" in approx. 2-3 seconds. That would make the
expansion from center a staggering ~20 km/s...within the range of velocity that asteroids and meteors strike earth!
Another expansion related question i pose to you is that of the "fuel spiral" expansion. I wont go into the details, but it would seem the "fuel"
expands at a significant rate...faster than any wind speed ive ever seen...or has been recorded.
Other questions arise as to the evidence of this type of projectile, even in a failed state, having the capacity to produce auroral trails, as well as
the lack of any sound. It may have been x km away, trust me, when its that high altitude, you WILL hear it, especially if its "self destruct"
mechanism creates an expansionary "explosion" of ~20 km/s. If that was actual "mass" doing that and not gluons and photons etc. that would created
a substantial pressure wave, leading to some type of sonic output.
I have to agree with you on the stability of the solid fuel system in missles. Yes, the spiral could have been caused by the failure of an
experimental missile, but I'm wondering if the missle caused the spiral while testing "countermeasures". Surely the missile has the capacity to
produce the very same things the warhead is protected from? Like wearing body armour that would protect from one's own calibre of weapon...
Thanks for all the time you put in on this project, and thanks for sharing it with us.
I do not buy the third stage failure. The third stage is a single engine, I'm not sure about altitude control thrusters, cannot find a good diagram.
But if it was the altitude control thrusters there would be three or more sources of fuel ejection right? If it was the main engine nozzle jamming it
would only be a single source?
A failure of flight control computers, attitude control thrusters or jamming of the main propulsion system's nozzle in a wrong position could
all lead to the tumbling of the the missile in flight.
Now on the following diagram the Bulava M is the on on the far left. If that is the altitude control thrusters or the spin gas generators on the top
that would make 5 sources of ejection.
The entire space vehicle itself can be spun up to stabilize the orientation of a single vehicle axis. This method is widely used to stabilize the
final stage of a launch vehicle. The entire spacecraft and an attached solid rocket motor are spun up about the rocket's thrust axis, on a "spin
table" oriented by the attitude control system of the lower stage on which the spin table is mounted.
I am not sure how the Bulava design differs from the Minuteman III, but the Minuteman does not have spin gas generators initiated until the Reentry
Vehicle is ready to descend.
If you watch the following video it shows all stages of the Minuteman from beginning to end. It is a video made by the USAF 341st Space Wing. It is a
bit long but trust me it is worth the time.
Now lastly, if an explosion happens in the vacuum of space, the fireball would not look like the "black hole" in the Norway video, there was no
fireball, and the missing fireball should have kept moving at the velocity as the spiral. Unless it was a live nuke then the fireball would
expand in milliseconds, like it appeared to. Also it would vaporize any debris. This might explain why we see no debris. This raises a whole other
question. If it was a live nuke, WHAT were they shooting at?
For a nuclear explosion, the fireball would radiate mainly in the x-ray and ultraviolet, which are not visible to the eye, although the visible
part of the radiation would produce a blue-white flash. The expansion speed would be many hundreds or thousands of times faster than for a chemical
explosion, so that the time scale would be less than a millisecond. All the material near the source would be vaporized, so there would be no
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