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reply posted on 27-1-2012 @ 04:21 AM by butcherguy
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I don't have any issues with your very detailed and well-researched OP. The Bulava may have malfunctioned, but the info that I had posted last year related to Atlas Centaur launches by NASA that created spirals, but had no malfunction reported.
I highly doubt that any spiral has presented that was identical to the Norway Spiral, but I believe that has a lot to do with the location of the witness(es) in relation to the position and attitude of the spiral.
I will search for those links and re-post them as soon as I can.
The 1960's references are eyewitness reports from ship crew members, there were no photos taken.

I was mainly posting above to rebut those who disbelieve you and want to blame UFO's , HAARP or portals to another dimension.
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reply posted on 27-1-2012 @ 10:38 AM by butcherguy
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Here are some early references to atmospheric spirals and concentric rings associated with rocket launches:

The Marine Observer

From the link:

m.v. British Oak. Teneriffe to Monrovia. Captain A. C. Browne. Observers, the Master and Mr. P. M. Edge, Chief Officer. 27th November 1963. A point of light of about 2nd magnitude with an elliptical glow of approx. 3o diameter and concentric circles of light was observed through binoculars at 1925 GMT. It was first seen bearing 230o at 18o altitude and disappeared 4 min. later bearing 190o, altitude 8o. The sky was cloudless and the atmosphere clear. Position of ship: 24o 27'N, 17o 14'W.


m.v. Ripon. Captain Smith. On passage to Freetown. Observers, the Master and Mr. G. W. Brown, Chief Officer. 27th November 1963. At 1926 GMT an illuminated body was observed bearing 270o, altitude 30o. It appeared at first to have a suffused glow around it, but as the object moved parallel with the ship's course, the glow assumed the definite form of a tight spiral of blue-white light. The spiral expanded to a maximum radius of about 5o with about 12 turns visible at one time when bearing 200o, altitude 20o. The size afterwards diminished until the body faded from sight bearing 155o, altitude 12o, at 1931. As the object moved in azimuth, it also appeared to be gyrating about a centre in an anticlockwise direction and to vary in brilliance. At its brightest the object had a brilliance less than Venus and greater than Altair; its track passed between these two bodies. The whole phenomenon gave the impression of looking into a conically formed spring and was indeed a most sensational sight. We can only conjecture that it was an artificial satellite 'gone wrong' or passing through a cloud of meteoric dust. The accompanying sketches show how the phenomenon appeared to the observers. There was a cloudless sky and bright moonlight at the time. Position of vessel: 10o 5'N, 15o 59'W.


m.v. Pennyworth. Captain I. Gault. Middlesbrough to Monrovia. Observers, Mr. J. H. Edwards, 2nd Radio Officer, the Master, Mr. J. Nielsen, Chief Officer, Mr. J. MacKenzie, 3rd Officer, Mr. T. Walker, 1st Radio Officer, and the Chief Enfineer. 27th November 1963. At 1900 GMT for approx. 5 min. a bright object having a magnitude greater than any other star or planet was seen in the sky. It appeared to be stationary in the west at an elevation of 40o, for about 2 min. It then moved off rapidly in a SE'ly direction, disappearing about 2 min. later. The bright light from the object radiated outwards, like the ripples from a pebble thrown into a pond; at first in concentric circles, then in a spiral and finally in concentric half-circles. The general impressions of the phenomena seen are shown in the accompanying sketches. The object was definitely not a meteorite, and the course was too erratic for an earth satellite. Position of ship: 7o 39'N, 14o 13'W.


Note this:

Note 1. What was seen by the ships was undoubtedly an American rocket, Centaur 2, launched from Cape Kennedy at 1900 GMT on 27th November 1963. The times and positions indicated by the three ships agree very closely with calculated values. The odd appearance cannot be explained precisely but it is no doubt associated with the fact that the rocket when seen was still under power or had very recently been so. (Marine Observer, 34:181-183, 1964)


ETA: The rocket launch spoken of above was successful, according to this:

1963 November 27 - . 19:03 GMT - . Launch Site: Cape Canaveral. Launch Complex: Cape Canaveral LC36A. LV Family: Atlas. Launch Vehicle: Atlas Centaur. LV Configuration: Atlas Centaur AC-2 / Centaur D 126D. Atlas Centaur 2 - . Payload: Centaur 2B. Mass: 4,620 kg (10,180 lb). Nation: USA. Agency: NASA Cleveland. Class: Moon. Type: Lunar probe. Spacecraft: Surveyor. USAF Sat Cat: 694 . COSPAR: 1963-047A. Apogee: 1,478 km (918 mi). Perigee: 469 km (291 mi). Inclination: 30.4000 deg. Period: 104.60 min. Summary: Launch vehicle test. Launch vehicle put dummy payload into geosynchronous transfer orbit. First successful Centaur (liquid hydrogen-fueled) flight..


Astronautix

Reading the descriptions provided from the observers, it sounds (to me) like they saw something very much like the Norway Spiral. Too bad they didn't take any photos. My original connection with this was in a book that I read a number of years ago, and I forget the title now. In it, some scientist theorized that the spirals were caused by a phenomenon having to do with an interaction of the rocket exhaust and the ionosphere. I can't remember any details about that theory, I am sorry to say.
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reply posted on 29-2-2012 @ 01:28 PM by moekuba
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i wasnt implying that it was from a russan rocket maybe it was just a random event, cuz if it was a russian rocket that created it id like to see them proove it, its not like the norway spiral caused any destruction so why cant they prove it by launching another one of these supposed rockets.
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reply posted on 29-2-2012 @ 01:54 PM by butcherguy
Originally posted by moekuba
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i wasnt implying that it was from a russan rocket maybe it was just a random event, cuz if it was a russian rocket that created it id like to see them proove it, its not like the norway spiral caused any destruction so why cant they prove it by launching another one of these supposed rockets.
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I was implying that it was a rocket.

See my post just above, it has been documented over the years.



so why cant they prove it by launching another one of these supposed rockets.

Because launching rockets into space is fairly expensive to do, and they don't just do it to prove to some people on a website that rockets do create atmospheric spirals.
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reply posted on 29-2-2012 @ 02:47 PM by moekuba
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you do give a good explination to the norway spiral but untill it happens again and there is a video of a rocket being launched and creating this we will never know for sure.
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