Thanks for the link, really interesting read!

Films/ with greater symbolism are much more interesting, its like the difference from 2d to 3d if you like, I've noticed some writers hang around places like this to pick up ideas, I've seen a few personal posts years later appear in hollywood blockbusters.

It's amusing to think that pinoccio is on the masonic reading list, I wonder if its before of after Manly P Hall

Still getting clued up by Sherlock was a real treat.

Hey Mark,

Whilst it is indeed an interesting article, I could have written such puerile stuff as the black magic elements of the Sherlock Holmes movie at the age of 15 with no more than a copy of Lewis Spence's 'An Encyclopaedia of Occultism'. It may be worthwhile to fully study the symbology of the film to see things which aren't as fully apparent as Masonic hallmarks.

I'm not detracting from the importance of symbolism, or it's place in the movie as a means of creating magical and/or political power through fear, I just don't think it's a "definite occultization of mass media" any more than I think Finding Nemo or The Little Mermaid as a definitive correlation of overfishing and its effects on marine environment. I mean both of these concepts exist - I just don't think the movie industry is pushing an agenda that won't make them money. Holmes needs the unknown to be known and magic is a better challenge to overcome than "Steampunking" like they used with The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen or Van Helsing.

That said I did spot an immediate inaccuracy within the article as to which drug Holmes was on when he was 'creating order form chaos'. Watson states that what Holmes has drank is used for eye surgery, and at the time that could have been a liquid solution of cocaine - well known to anyone who has read the books on which the film's premise is based. The author of the article states it's morphine, which makes one think - what else could have been misrepresented by the author in that specific article?

A closer inspection by those in the know is what's needed to find any subtitles in the film which aren't as already brazen as Buffy, Charmed, Indiana Jones or Nosferatu.

-m0r

Thanks for posting the article, I enjoyed it, I personally found the more subtle signs in the film to be more significant. I really don't believe this was Guy Ritchies active imagination, someone has put quite some thought into it.

The deeper significance for me lies in the larger story line, secret societies are not full of bad people, but like every organisation there will always be a minority of people that use their power for selfish ends. Significantly they knew the baddy was a baddy for a long time, but nobody did anything about it, inaction can lead to greater travesty, slowly corrupting others, till the one becomes many, a corrupted network within. The classic rotten apple in the barrel. Human nature has a tendancy to sink to the level surrounding it.

It also reminds me of conspiracy boards...the illuminati are bad, the freemasons, the CIA, NSA are the baddies, its always the tptb, quite frankly to get all people in any organisation to be in on an evil plan knowingly I personally believe to be nigh on impossible, most people in the world are actually pretty decent. Everyone runs around blaming and pointing the fingers at these large organisations constantly, organisations are not bad or evil, its the people in them, what makes people bad? the choices they make, ultimate responsibility lies at the individual level. The difficulty in life is knowing if you are being tricked or manipulated.

I've probably just touched the surface with this one.

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The basic premise is that good shall always overcome evil. Like God said, "You intended it for evil, but I intended it for evil." No matter the belief system, there are always warring factions within that belief system. One faction is good and one is evil. That is just the way it is.

Evil is rather a strong word, speaker of truth, in the greater scheme of things it seems evil/negativity is just an acting catalyst for change, but the sacrifice can be great and weigh heavily upon the heart for those acting from more positive forces. The greater force has no sides, there is only one, but the forces of polarity greatly maneuver each other into balance. Harmony can be such a painful lesson.

It is not the media (another genric organisation / term), it is individuals who choose to embed greater symbology into their work, and do it consciously as co-creators / shifters of consciousness if you like, to recognise or to propel the individual to greater awareness. This is not a bad thing and I agree this is not the whole of the media pushing an occult agenda. Since time immorial in all great works, individuals have embedded the golden thread of the journey. Your right Oshdra, you can only see what you know! Chaos indeed is a more complex pattern of order. On occasion it is these things that 'trip the switch' of the initiate and propel them to new patterns and levels of awareness.

Thanks for the blog link, I will check it out on your recommendation.

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Originally posted by oxford
This is not a bad thing and I agree this is not the whole of the media pushing an occult agenda.

That is my point. The occult,in and of itself,is NOT evil.However, there are those who are using it for evil purposes, but they will not be successful.

Yup, and therein lies the rub!

It appears that within negative forces there is an embedded pattern which propagates the negative force into patterns of truth, like a natural effect with evolves it towards the light.

Maybe this is why the bad guys can never win, its against the very program of life.

Using these dark forces is like trying to kill someone with a boomerang! lol

Originally posted by musicadi
I don't know about the symbolism in the movie, but the trailer of Sherlock Holmes 2 is all over the place here in Hungary... Someone REALLY wants as many people as possible watching it.

I wonder if it is the production company......