Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
Why would it require military force?
As far as I know, isn't there a clause in each states constitution that allows them to legaly seperate when certain circumstances are met?
~Keeper
Well, regardless of each states Constitution, or their right to legally secede, a country like America with its history of inception, based upon a
conspiracy itself, a division of our country at any time, in the order of a secession and actually taking steps towards accomplishing just that will
to our American Government be a direct threat to the power of the whole country, and at first an indirect threat through the International Community
that is the United Nations.
My meaning is that accordingly, action will be necessary and swift, or else our country will be seen as weak, politically indecisive, and in a
position of direct influence.
Think about secession as an oyster getting a grain of sand embedded within it.
Secession in the United States
Quote from : Wikipedia : Secession in the United States
Attempts or aspirations of secession from the United States have been a feature of the politics of the country since its birth.
The line between actions based on an alleged constitutional right of secession as opposed to actions justified by the extraconstitutional natural
right of revolution has shaped the political debate.
Except for the American Revolution which created the United States, no such movement, revolution or secession, has succeeded.
In 1861, the Confederate States of America attempted, and failed, to achieve secession by force of arms in the American Civil War.
A 2008 Zogby International poll revealed that 22% of Americans believed while 73% did not believe that "any state or region has the right to
peaceably secede and become an independent republic."
If you use my oyster analogy and follow through Divide and Conquer, you will understand.
An oyster gets sand within it, due it having it's valves open for even the most smallest of moments, but it has a defense mechanism, it isolates that
grain of sand, because it has no power to oust it with a breath, being a non-breathing (oxygen) entity, so through isolation, it pushes aside it's
discomfort.
Trying as well not to allow other grains of sand into it's confines.
As the isolation continues a chemical reaction follows, causing the grain of sand to be buffered with many different actions of the mollusks muscles
and chemicals.
The oyster wants to be rid of that grain of sand, but it has patience, and will get rid of after making it into something large enough to get rid of
eventually.
Now, imagine a country like America as that oyster, and it has a grain of sand, and does not want other grains of sand, one state has tried seceding,
and it does not want a second state to secede, so it will isolate that state and put pressure upon it.
Over all my analogy however is about Divide and Conquer, by a division of the states, America cannot stand, and will see that state as a direct threat
to its over all power.
As well as this, during the Civil War we already had, as the Union and Confederacy were feuding, other countries tried to support both sides, giving
arms, money, treaties, etc, and most countries were as well using this division as a means to not only get future monetary gain, but to use that
division as a means to try to drive a wedge further into the American psyche as a whole.
This is of course all generalized information about our previous Civil War.
However, the control factors are the same, with the exception that slavery is not a mainstream accepted thought process, and no I do not nor have I
ever believed the Civil War was about freeing the slaves, it was about a states right to secede from the Union, and by
Abraham Lincoln declaring the
Emancipation Proclamation, he was merely furthering the cause of the Union through
causing more division within the Confederacy through dissension within the ranks.
So, a secession of one, or even two states, would require immediate action.
Military action is the only action, other than propaganda, that succeeds quickly.
So, being Canadian, you do understand Canada would help either Vermont, or America, right?
The other forty-nine states would seek out assistance if necessary, Canada being our closest ally, and if they decide to assist Vermont over the
Union, they would be seen as a political enemy, further confounding the issue of the secession.
If they decide to help America, and not Vermont, then Vermont may reach out to their neighboring states, or possibly French Canadian's within
Vermont, the ongoing and ensuing actions would further propagate necessary actions.
No matter whether a states has the
"right" to secede, or not, America will be ripped apart.
Our
Pledge of Allegiance is set up to show that within it actually.
Quote from : Pledge of Allegiance
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all.
See, that word,
"indivisible" means we should be above a division, not allowing Divide and Conquer, through differences of ideology
happen.
America, is a
Republic, not a
Democracy, a republic
that practices democracy.
While a state does or thinks it has the right to secede, does not mean that our country as a whole, will allow that to succeed, some will see the
cause as needless, some will see the cause as necessary, and some will never hear of it.
Propaganda goes a long way as well through the Mainstream Media.
This is before we even begin to start speaking of weapons being used or not used.
What I have defined so far is just military action, as in a show of force, of troops in boots on the ground, not counting for those commanders orders,
interpretation of said orders, and or their allegiances of duty, action, and or beliefs.
I am sure there will come a time when this all comes into play but if Vermont and or Texas are not thinking of these thoughts, not of taking negative
action, but of self-defense through the country as a whole taking a direct and swift action against the state willing to step out and put their neck
on the chopping block by trying to secede, then they will never succeed at seceding.
[edit on 31-1-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]
