Persecutors of Christians in India Attacked by Elephants.

reply to post by Blue_Jay33


And when it's in the bible' it must ofcourse give credence. Circle-argumentation....as usual from christian evangelism.

What happens, when christian evangelists are the victims of natural disasters. Is that also a religious messsage telling them to leave non-christians in peace?

reply to post by bogomil


Actually another scripture applies to that.

Ecclesiastes 9:11

I saw something else under the sun. The race isn't [won] by fast runners, or the battle by heroes. Wise people don't necessarily have food. Intelligent people don't necessarily have riches, and skilled people don't necessarily receive special treatment. But time and unpredictable events overtake all of them.

Chapter 9 verse 11 is an interesting combo because we know that on 9/11 innocent people died too.

Thats awesome

I have some problems seeing any, even slightly, reasonable connection between rampant evangelism, rampant elephants and 'god's will.

What I CAN see is still another pitiful expression of the christian persecution complex.

Originally posted by bogomil
I have some problems seeing any, even slightly, reasonable connection between rampant evangelism, rampant elephants and 'god's will.

What I CAN see is still another pitiful expression of the christian persecution complex.

It is possible that the whole thing is just one big coincidence.

However, the idea of those elephants traveling so far out of their native territory and wreaking havoc on the very people who persecuted the Christians has got to involve more than just the element of chance.

Maybe its not the Christian God who caused it. Maybe it was caused by what some refer to as Karma or it was some type of natural balancing effect of the universe. Perhapse the universe has a natural sense of justice and seeks to right the wrongs that we humans so often commit against each other.

If you don't want to call it God, that's fine but, at least rest asured that there is some force out there that cares about the consequences of human actions and sometimes acts to balance the scales of justice.

reply to post by FortAnthem


You wrote:

["Maybe its not the Christian God who caused it. Maybe it was caused by what some refer to as Karma or it was some type of natural balancing effect of the universe. Perhapse the universe has a natural sense of justice and seeks to right the wrongs that we humans so often commit against each other."]

'Maybe's can be fun, and are the cause for many a wild speculation or hypothesis, which later turns out to be valid and important, when it somehow is examined, tested etc.

Or turn out to be bosh, which considering the amount of avaliable speculations probably is more often.

If there's any inherent 'moral' balancing effect in the universe, it has a darned bad time competing with the otherwise random destruction taking place.

(And please, if you want to avoid the flying spaghetti monster, don't bring in ineffability).

From 'Mission news' on australian floods:

"There are Baptist and Anglican churches in many of the flooded towns, some of which have been inundated. Pastor Chris Ganter of Rockhampton Baptist Tabernacle said some of his congregation’s homes and work are affected, and his city ‘will take a long time to recover… We have never seen it so wide spread before’. He and other pastors requested prayer for opportunities to demonstrate God’s love amid the tragedy. ..."

So an unusually 'wide spread' natural catastrophe happens. As some of the vicitms are christians, christians are looking for signs of 'god's love.

When persecutors of christians (amongst others, the OP article is slanted on this point) are the victims of an unusual natural phenomenon, christians are looking for 'god's avenge.

Quote: ["If you don't want to call it God, that's fine but, at least rest asured that there is some force out there that cares about the consequences of human actions...."]

And I may add,.. consequences of everything. Yes, it's called causality, and it's well-known in science and logic, where it's regular effects can be observed and studied in macro-cosmos.

Quote continued: ["...and sometimes acts to balance the scales of justice."]

Even if this 'justice' is more than a cooked-up fantasy, acts-of-balance happens so seldom, that any statistical analysis rather would indicate, that the universe either doesn't care or mainly functions on a major principle of injustice.

Originally posted by Nutter
reply to post by FortAnthem

 

Yeah, that makes sense from a Christian point of view.

God sends elephants to attack, kill, and destroy houses because those people attacked, killed, and destroyed the houses of other people?

Some kind, loving, all forgiving God you got there.

So, raping nuns, driving Christians from their homes, and murders of Christians in the hundreds is the way people should be? You don't see a sort of justice in this, if it's true the guilty ones are the ones the elephants are targeting? We have to ask for forgiveness; God doesn't force Himself on anyone.

Originally posted by Romans 10:9
BADASS. A group of heathen crushing assassin elephants.......it don't get much cooler than that.

oh yeah it doesn't get much cooler then people you don't know and have no real reason to hate other then the difference of your beliefs getting attacked by elephants.

hell yeah for god, crushing those who don't believe in him since his fictional creation.

you christians make me sick; maybe instead of celebrating pain you should go out and try to help people like jesus did? or is that too much effort for? How about you actually serve god and do some good, instead of just preaching your bull# teachings.

People are going to think what they want to think, but you have to ask yourself, why'd they leave the christian homes intact? Jesus did warn those who would seek to hurt his little ones of his wrath. The LORD repays according to what you have done, it is called "you reap what you sew", and Indians know it as Karma.

Matthew 18:6-7

6 “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea. 7 Woe to the world because of offenses! For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes!

Matthew 18:10

10 “Take heed that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that in heaven their angels always see the face of My Father who is in heaven. 11 For the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost.

Luke 17:1-4

Then He said to the disciples, “It is impossible that no offenses should come, but woe to him through whom they do come! 2 It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. 3 Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. 4 And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, ‘I repent,’ you shall forgive him.”


If you want to know what Yahweh is truly like, here it is:

Isaiah 59: 1-8

1Behold, the Lord’s hand is not shortened,
That it cannot save;
Nor His ear heavy,
That it cannot hear.
2 But your iniquities have separated you from your God;
And your sins have hidden His face from you,
So that He will not hear.
3 For your hands are defiled with blood,
And your fingers with iniquity;
Your lips have spoken lies,
Your tongue has muttered perversity.

4 No one calls for justice,
Nor does any plead for truth.
They trust in empty words and speak lies;
They conceive evil and bring forth iniquity.
5 They hatch vipers’ eggs and weave the spider’s web;
He who eats of their eggs dies,
And from that which is crushed a viper breaks out.

6 Their webs will not become garments,
Nor will they cover themselves with their works;
Their works are works of iniquity,
And the act of violence is in their hands.
7 Their feet run to evil,
And they make haste to shed innocent blood;
Their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity;
Wasting and destruction are in their paths.
8 The way of peace they have not known,
And there is no justice in their ways;
They have made themselves crooked paths;
Whoever takes that way shall not know peace.

Isaiah 59: 15-20
(this part is prophecy)

So truth fails,
And he who departs from evil makes himself a prey.

The Redeemer of Zion
Then the Lord saw it, and it displeased Him
That there was no justice.

16 He saw that there was no man,
And wondered that there was no intercessor;
Therefore His own arm brought salvation for Him;
And His own righteousness, it sustained Him.
17 For He put on righteousness as a breastplate,
And a helmet of salvation on His head;
He put on the garments of vengeance for clothing,
And was clad with zeal as a cloak.
18 According to their deeds, accordingly He will repay,
Fury to His adversaries,
Recompense to His enemies;
The coastlands He will fully repay.
19 So shall they fear
The name of the Lord from the west,
And His glory from the rising of the sun;
When the enemy comes in like a flood,
The Spirit of the Lord will lift up a standard against him.

20 “The Redeemer will come to Zion,
And to those who turn from transgression in Jacob,”
Says the Lord

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
People are going to think what they want to think, but you have to ask yourself, why'd they leave the christian homes intact? Jesus did warn those who would seek to hurt his little ones of his wrath. The LORD repays according to what you have done, it is called "you reap what you sew", and Indians know it as Karma.

Matthew 18:6-7

6 “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea. 7 Woe to the world because of offenses! For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes!

Matthew 18:10

10 “Take heed that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that in heaven their angels always see the face of My Father who is in heaven. 11 For the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost.

Luke 17:1-4

Then He said to the disciples, “It is impossible that no offenses should come, but woe to him through whom they do come! 2 It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. 3 Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. 4 And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, ‘I repent,’ you shall forgive him.”


If you want to know what Yahweh is truly like, here it is:

Isaiah 59: 1-8

1Behold, the Lord’s hand is not shortened,
That it cannot save;
Nor His ear heavy,
That it cannot hear.
2 But your iniquities have separated you from your God;
And your sins have hidden His face from you,
So that He will not hear.
3 For your hands are defiled with blood,
And your fingers with iniquity;
Your lips have spoken lies,
Your tongue has muttered perversity.

4 No one calls for justice,
Nor does any plead for truth.
They trust in empty words and speak lies;
They conceive evil and bring forth iniquity.
5 They hatch vipers’ eggs and weave the spider’s web;
He who eats of their eggs dies,
And from that which is crushed a viper breaks out.

6 Their webs will not become garments,
Nor will they cover themselves with their works;
Their works are works of iniquity,
And the act of violence is in their hands.
7 Their feet run to evil,
And they make haste to shed innocent blood;
Their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity;
Wasting and destruction are in their paths.
8 The way of peace they have not known,
And there is no justice in their ways;
They have made themselves crooked paths;
Whoever takes that way shall not know peace.

Isaiah 59: 15-20
(this part is prophecy)

So truth fails,
And he who departs from evil makes himself a prey.

The Redeemer of Zion
Then the Lord saw it, and it displeased Him
That there was no justice.

16 He saw that there was no man,
And wondered that there was no intercessor;
Therefore His own arm brought salvation for Him;
And His own righteousness, it sustained Him.
17 For He put on righteousness as a breastplate,
And a helmet of salvation on His head;
He put on the garments of vengeance for clothing,
And was clad with zeal as a cloak.
18 According to their deeds, accordingly He will repay,
Fury to His adversaries,
Recompense to His enemies;
The coastlands He will fully repay.
19 So shall they fear
The name of the Lord from the west,
And His glory from the rising of the sun;
When the enemy comes in like a flood,
The Spirit of the Lord will lift up a standard against him.

20 “The Redeemer will come to Zion,
And to those who turn from transgression in Jacob,”
Says the Lord

sadly the bible was not transcribed until decades after jesus's 'death' so the trueweight of these words has to be taken with a grain of salt. Hell not even all the gospel's mention the virgin birth when they talk about jesus

so why is any of these quotes any more truthful then a quote from harry potter?

reply to post by drgrantdiz

sadly the bible was not transcribed until decades after jesus's 'death' so the trueweight of these words has to be taken with a grain of salt. Hell not even all the gospel's mention the virgin birth when they talk about jesus

How many mentions of the virgin birth of Christ need mentioning? Just one is all that is needed. It is mentioned in at least 2-3 of the 4 gospels.

You are aware that the bible is 2 books in one right? The old testament was a foreshadowing of things to come, the new testament, and what you can find in the old , can be found in the new and vice versa. The two books testify of eachother.