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Topic started on 27-1-2010 @ 11:24 PM by calcoastseeker

In 1972 the late Dr. Hendon M. Harris, Jr. made a startling discovery. While searching for Chinese collectibles he came across an ancient Asian map book containing a world map showing a land mass labeled "Fu Sang" to the east of China, land that we today call America.
www.harrismaps.com...

A poem of the Chinese Shang Dynasty states: “Shandu's reign included overseas accomplishments.” According to the explanation from Moruo Guo, Shandu was the eleventh emperor of the Shang. He greatly extended the boundary of his empire. His explorers reached the ocean to the north east of China – Bohai Sea, and connected with people overseas. This reveals that the technology of sea navigation at that time was advanced. Also, 7000 seashells were found in the tomb of Queen Yehow, one of the Shang queens.

So, Native Americans are the descendants of Shang dynasty Chinese? Is this an impossible myth?

Recently, Henan province historians have provided some new clues. Even if it is not yet concluded in the academic arena whether Native Americans are descendants of Shang Chinese, new evidence may help to unveil this myth in a few years.

Recently Kai Gao, doctor of history/geography, Fu Dan University and professor of the history, Zhengzhou University, while at a conference of the Kueykutzu branch of the Pre-Chin Era History Association, was asked: “Are native Americans the descendants of Shang Dynasty Chinese?” He expressed that he supported this theory. He also provided some new evidence.

Through research, foreign scholars discovered that stone anchors found along the seashore of the Pacific Ocean in North America are similar to stone anchors of Shang and Zhou Dynasty in shape and quality. In Maya ruins sacrificial altars and jade carvings also have cultural similarities to the ones from Shang/Zhou Dynasty.

www.asiaticfathers.com...

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reply posted on 27-1-2010 @ 11:27 PM by ..5..

reply to post by calcoastseeker

Wait! Are you saying that they are illegal aliens too?

reply posted on 27-1-2010 @ 11:39 PM by bigspud

it means there are no native americans.

reply posted on 28-1-2010 @ 12:10 AM by Signals

Those darn Chinese really do own everything!

What now, reparations?

reply posted on 28-1-2010 @ 12:13 AM by calcoastseeker

This is a photo of the translation of the ancient map the gentleman found.The ancient map is in the lower left.

I just wanted to open up a debate on the ancients and their ability to transit the seas of the world as easily as modern man. And also who is the "Original people" of any area.

Th second issue I want to point out is this.In the translation map there is a area in North America that is labeled "Hairy People".

It is near Taho(Lake Tahoe).

Now I know Native Americans grew their hair long but they do not have excessive body hair.

So do you think these ancient Asian explorers ran into Big Foot?

They called Gorilla's in Africa long armed people.

reply posted on 28-1-2010 @ 12:15 AM by calcoastseeker

reply to post by Signals

Slowly but surely they are.

Most modern civilizations only go back hundreds of years not thousands.

reply posted on 28-1-2010 @ 12:44 AM by Faiol

this proofs that aliens exist ... maybe, not

reply posted on 28-1-2010 @ 12:47 AM by Icerider

Says here

www.mnsu.edu...

Just been to see the terracotta warriors at the national geographic. LOL.

That the Shang Dynasty began about 1700BC, so a little late for 1st people colonising.

Clovis points have been found and dated up to @12000 BC - maybe the hairy people?

I think Native Americans are surely of Mongol stock though, it seems obvious that they came from asia.

I thought the variation map a bit cheeky, but perhaps he's basing it on the translation, and so the liberties he takes with the interpretation arn't too bad. I can't read ancient Chinese, so I can't tell!

reply posted on 28-1-2010 @ 01:34 AM by Ridhya

reply to post by calcoastseeker

Haha maybe they ran into the vikings. Probably the hairiest peoples in the world after the Slavs and middle easterners!

Sasquatch would be fascinating though. But thats not quite human.

reply posted on 28-1-2010 @ 02:01 AM by gandhi

Just goes to show, to claim land is the same as to claim a slave.

reply posted on 28-1-2010 @ 02:07 AM by learningtofly

So why are they called native Americans?

Please back off, China!

I think what happened was that there were a few people scattered around the earth.

Then the conquerors moved in and murdered them etc and took over - this is the story of most countries I can think of.

But there were, and are, original people.

reply posted on 28-1-2010 @ 04:58 AM by malcr

Originally posted by ..5..
reply to post by calcoastseeker

Wait! Are you saying that they are illegal aliens too?

Only if somebody was already there. That's the important point which folks keep missing.

reply posted on 28-1-2010 @ 09:48 AM by Asktheanimals

Icerider is right. America was popluated long before any chinese dynasty came along, perhaps as far back as 30,000 bc.

The hairy people they referred to may have been Orangutans on the island of borneo would be my guess.

reply posted on 28-1-2010 @ 09:57 AM by mike_trivisonno

I always find it amusing when people claim that the New World (Order) was discovered long before the Europeans found it. The Europeans found the New World (Order) while looking for a spice route after the muslims cut off the trade routes through Asia. Far from being voyages of discovery, they were desperate attempts by Europe to maintain their civilization in the face of Islamic Imperialism.

I digress...

When the Europeans arrived, there were already people here! Obviously someone got there before them. And people trumpet this like it is some amazing discovery. Sigh.

And for all the "Native Americans", you're all just a bunch of wandering Chinks! lol.

reply posted on 28-1-2010 @ 09:57 AM by AshleyD

This is old and obvious news, IMO.

www.heart-watch-blog.com...

www.old-picture.com...

You can definitely see the Asian influences.

According to science, the continent was populated due to Asians crossing the land bridge.

en.wikipedia.org...

I do still see them as native Americans, though. If you think about it, we ALL migrated somewhere to get where we are. Whether you believe in creationism or evolution, both believe mankind started somewhere then branched out elsewhere.

reply posted on 28-1-2010 @ 10:13 AM by TheIrvy

Unless humanity started in multiple places all over the earth (ie different races are different species of human), we all come from one place originally. Those Chinese originally came from Africa. If you go back far enough we all come from somewhere else.

reply posted on 28-1-2010 @ 08:45 PM by LucidDreamer85

Originally posted by bigspud
it means there are no native americans.

It also means our government will never admit this because then china would have founded America and that is " just not american" lol

reply posted on 28-1-2010 @ 09:54 PM by silent thunder

Although this is a very cool idea, I'm suspicious of the map in the original post. The calligraphic style of the Chinese characters does not seem very old to me (anyone here know Chinese who can back me up on this?).

Although I could be mistaken, the original map looks like it was drawn sometime in the modern or early-modern period, well after the existence of the Americas would be known throughout East Asia. The calligraphic font, as well as things like the square boxes around the characters, etc. point to a non-Ancient origin. It also uses some modern characters... for example, it calls Japan "日本”, which is not a truly ancient Chinese designation for those islands. The Chinese used the character "倭" for Japan long before "日本" came into use, and long after the Shang dynasty. That's just one example. The details on Africa and Europe also suggest a much more recent understanding.

The map also appears remarkably well-preserved, and the quality of paper/printing seems to suggest its not more than a few centuries old at the oldest.

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reply posted on 29-1-2010 @ 04:01 PM by TheAmused

Originally posted by AshleyD
This is old and obvious news, IMO.

www.heart-watch-blog.com...

www.old-picture.com...

You can definitely see the Asian influences.

According to science, the continent was populated due to Asians crossing the land bridge.

en.wikipedia.org...

I do still see them as native Americans, though. If you think about it, we ALL migrated somewhere to get where we are. Whether you believe in creationism or evolution, both believe mankind started somewhere then branched out elsewhere.

i will hold to my theory since i was 8 years of age lol
all American Indians where Mexicans/incans that migrated north and went as north as the north pole..we call them eskimo's now.

Asians they are not...mexicans YES lol

reply posted on 30-1-2010 @ 12:37 PM by LocoHombre

you guys seem to speak like there are no natives on ats.

i am, and this does not seem reliable. nowadays, you could print a piece of paper off the internet and call yourself an expert.

this does seem kind of offensive because some people seem to be implying that we are just a colony project that separated. we are our own civilization. we have arts that were not really asian at all! many things we do are not asian!