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reply posted on 28-1-2010 @ 10:47 AM by Romans 10:9
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


I find myself agreeing with you most of the time BH but not on this one. There is nothing more important in the military than unit cohesion. These guys eat, sleep, shower, fight and die in very close proximity to each other. The LAST thing our fighting men need to be doing is wondering WTH the soldier next to him is thinking.
I don't believe in having women in combat nor men who are openly homosexual. If they can hide it, fine. Otherwise, no.
I'm not homophobic nor do I serve in the military.
Respectfully disagreeing with you on this though.


Agree 100%. It would completely undermine a unit/platoons feeling of unity, which is of utmost importance in war.
This is a very bad idea on so many levels.


reply posted on 28-1-2010 @ 11:14 AM by sugarmonkey
Originally posted by Moonman1111
Originally posted by MajesticJax
Originally posted by Sf18443
Fox news has just reported that Obama, in tonight's state of the union speech, will as congress to repeal the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy in the US military.


Look, I have extensive hetero credentials, but really, what's the big deal? Our military should be made up of the cross-section of our society, and homosexuals are a part of it. My problem lies when they want to force the exposure to homosexuality on our pre-pubescent chidren, (as in presenting that "lifestyle" in school, books, etc, to children 12 or so and under). THAT is wrong.

Other than that, I don't care who Sgt. Jones blows in his off-time, as long as he follows his orders while delivering on his promise to protect the tenets of the Constitution.


STD's/HIV is the big problem if our military let nancy boys openly join. not to mention all the foolish deviant behavior that would go on in the shower room and after lights out. Plus, I think the majority of soldiers would be uncomfortable sharing close living quarters with a homosexual, I know I would.


Are you kidding?? Do you think that just because there are gay soldiers, that they are more likely to carry STD's and HIV?? That is just silly thinking my friend.

I think the "Don't ask Don't tell" policy is stupid anyways and I hope Obama does repeal it. If a person is willing to serve their country, then I don't think that person's sexuality should make any difference in any way shape or form. Actually, scratch that. A person's sexuality should never be a factor in anything.


reply posted on 28-1-2010 @ 12:52 PM by Annee
reply to post by Asktheanimals


Thank you for understanding words and taking the time to explain your point of view.

I stand by Qualifications and Abilities and Attitude - not gender. There are many men who I do not feel are fully equipped mentally/emotionally/sensitivity/physically to go to war. In times of draft - - these men were forced to go to war - - because they were men. Because of their gender.

Do you really think women/moms/children/wives etc - - want to send their male loved ones off to war? Don't you think many of them feel the same way you feel about protecting women?

I'm sorry but it is sexist and archaic thinking.

And yes - you are saying "women are the cause of men behaving badly".

As a woman - - I am so sick of men being pathetic because they can't control themselves around females. Human nature vs Brain function. Little Head vs Big Head.

Now with the possibility of openly gays/lesbians - - do they also need to be separated into their own units?

A SOLDIER IS A SOLDIER IS A SOLDIER - - - or should be.

I'm not saying women should be forced into front line combat. But I know there are some women who want it. They want equality - which also means equal pay - - pay can be higher in more dangerous assignments.

I don't think our society will allow women to be forced into front line combat. But those women who choose it should not be denied because men want to protect them.


reply posted on 28-1-2010 @ 02:17 PM by moocowman
reply to post by Moonman1111




STD's/HIV is the big problem if our military let nancy boys openly join

I can't believe you actually used the term Nancy boys !!!

You ever asked yourself why the word that begins with N is considered offensive ? Are you 12 ?





reply posted on 28-1-2010 @ 03:00 PM by seagull
reply to post by captaintyinknots


So, its okay for gays to serve, as long as they live in denial of who they are?


Unfortunately, that's the status of things as they stand today. Hopefully, someday in the near future that'll change. We can hope for that, and work for it, too.


reply posted on 28-1-2010 @ 07:57 PM by Asktheanimals
reply to post by Annee


I suppose my view has always been since men start wars they should be the ones to fight it. Of course women are equally protective of men (this world would SUCK if they didn't).
If women really want to fight that's fine, they should have equal opportunity (I don;t consider getting shot at an "opportunity" but W.E.).

Down to the real reason men act stupid around women is biological. The urges within a man's body regarding sex are different from women's and (here I go again) I woulde contend are more intense. Like the difference between wanting a snack and being starving. Little head vs big as you said but little head has more nerves than say a baby snake
The protective urge in men could also be a problem under stressful situations.
War sucks, we should do much better at avoiding than we have. My country has lost more respect for that than anyhting, especially from me.
I do believe in equal opportunity for all, so yeah everyone can get in on the shooting if they really want but I would like to see them in separate units for pragmatic entirely reasons. I'm not going to go on about how many gay friends I have blah blah but being an artist for 35 years , uh you can figu.......
Thanks for taking the time to chat and help me understand a different viewpoint than my own. I'm an old fart pretty stuck in my ways, thanks for the traction Annee


reply posted on 28-1-2010 @ 09:03 PM by Annee
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by Annee


I suppose my view has always been since men start wars they should be the ones to fight it. Of course women are equally protective of men (this world would SUCK if they didn't).


Well not exactly. Men do not start wars - - politicians (kings/queens) do.

Wars are about power/control/money - and I suppose ideology.

I was researching queen rulers once and discovered there were far more female rulers then Hollywood would have you believe.

Do you really believe the average man chooses to go to war rather then stay home with his family? Man had no choice - - society and defined roles in past times forced man into this role. And women into their role.

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Did you know one of the most well known notorious pirates was a woman? Of course she dressed as a man. Actually there were several known women pirates. Women deserve choice.

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