Lets read some of the stupid things Kerry has said for a change.

At the "historically black" Tougaloo College in Mississippi, a black woman asked Kerry.

""Most of the people in this country are sick and tired of the onslaught of the homosexual community using the civil rights movement to further their agenda. There is no correlation between gay rights and civil rights in terms of what black Americans have gone through. Leave the denigration and the maligning of the civil rights movement out of it."

This is what John Kerry replied: "Let me tell you something. When Matthew Shepard gets crucified on a fence in Wyoming only because he is gay-when Mr. King gets dragged behind a truck down in Texas by chains and his body is mutilated only because he is gay-I think that's a matter of rights in the United States of America."





www.bpnews.net...



John Kerry making some new friends.



John Kerry shaking hands with sandinista Daniel Ortega.


" It turns out that President Bush had an easier time than he expected last week thanks to Kerry's own efforts. While Bush was driving home the fact that Sen. Kerry voted against the $87 billion appropriations bill for funding the war in Iraq -- funding that was mostly designated for supporting America's troops -- Kerry was speaking at a town hall meeting where he said, "I actually voted for the $87 billion, before I voted against it." "

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" Speaking on CBS's Face the Nation during the time of the Senate debate on the $87 billion Iraq funding, Kerry was asked if he would still vote for the funding even if an amendment failed that called for delaying tax cuts to pay for the appropriations.

In response, Kerry said, "I don't think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to whatever follows as a result of simply cutting and running. That's irresponsible." "

Excerpts taken from.
www.american-partisan.com...


Now, in a more serious note, lets see how Kerry stands on the war in Iraq.

" Remarks of Senator John Kerry on Iraq


October 09, 2002

US Senate


With respect to Saddam Hussein and the threat he presents, we must ask ourselves a simple question: Why? Why is Saddam Hussein pursuing weapons that most nations have agreed to limit or give up? Why is Saddam Hussein guilty of breaking his own cease-fire agreement with the international community? Why is Saddam Hussein attempting to develop nuclear weapons when most nations don't even try and responsible nations that have them attempt to limit their potential for disaster? Why does Saddam Hussein threaten and provoke? Why does he develop missiles that exceed allowable limits? Why did Saddam Hussein lie and deceive the inspection team previously? Why did Saddam Hussein not account for all the weapons of mass destruction which UNSCOM (U.N. Special Commission) identified? Why is he seeking to develop unmanned airborne vehicles for delivery of biological agents? Does he do all those things and more because he wants to live by international standards of behavior? Because he respects international law? Because he is a nice guy the world should trust?

It would be naive to the point of grave danger not to believe that left to his own devices, Saddam Hussein will provoke, misjudge, or stumble into a future, more dangerous confrontation with the civilized world. He has as much as promised it. "

and his last statement...

" "By standing with the President, Congress will demonstrate that our nation is united in its determination to take away Saddam Hussein's deadly arsenal, by peaceful means if we can, by force if we must. We are affirming a President's right and responsibility to keep the American people safe, and the President must take that grant of responsibility seriously. One of the lessons I learned fighting in a very different war at a very different time is that we need the consent of the American people for our mission to be legitimate and sustainable.

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The cost of freedom is always high, but Americans have always paid it. And one path we shall never choose, and that is the path of surrender, or submission." So we shall not submit or surrender - and if we do our job in the best traditions of our country, the world will win."

Excerpts taken from.
www.johnkerry.com...

Did he actually agree with president Bush?......





[Edited on 27-5-2004 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by Muaddib

Did he actually agree with president Bush?......

[Edited on 27-5-2004 by Muaddib]

That's about the only stupid thing I read in that whole thread. Except of course the gay thing....ohhh...he messed up and used gay instead of black, he must be more retarded than Bush then. Give me a break. They're both not smart enough to be president, but IMO Bush is FAR worse.

You have to keep reading the links I posted, since we can't post entire quotes in the forums. Kerry has agreed with both sides on an issue on almost every issue he talked about. That's a sign of weakness in my books. He has talked in favor of going to Iraq and using force and he has talked against it... what does Kerry really stands for? i don't even think his supporters know.... and you really have to be an idiot to support a person that doesn't even know what he stands for or doesn't stand for what he really believes...

At least with Bush we know what we get, which is 10 times better than Kerry, Kerry would probably be worse than Clinton as a president.


" Bush has also capitalized on Kerry's claims of support by foreign leaders. Speaking to a Boston Globe reporter, Kerry was quoted as saying that he had support from "foreign leaders." When asked to name names, Kerry refused. Last week, after a review of the tape of the interview, the report said that he misquoted Kerry and that the senator actually said "more leaders" rather than "foreign leaders." However, Kerry stuck with his claims of foreign support.

Speaking at a campaign rally in Florida, President Bush picked up on the foreign support issue and said, "The other day, here in Florida, he claimed some important endorsements from overseas. He won't tell us the name of the foreign admirers. That's okay, either way I'm not too worried because I'm going to keep my campaign right here in America."

President Bush also hammered Kerry on his record in the U.S. Senate. "He's an experienced senator and he's built up quite a record," Bush said. "In fact, Senator Kerry has been in Washington long enough to take both sides on just about every issue."

Bush continued, "Senator Kerry voted for the Patriot Act, for NAFTA, for the No Child Left Behind Act, and for the use of force in Iraq. Now he opposes the Patriot Act, NAFTA, the No Child Left Behind Act, and the liberation of Iraq. My opponent clearly feels strongly about each of these issues. So strongly that one position is never just enough."


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Originally posted by MacMerdin
They're both not smart enough to be president

I don't think either of them are smart enough to lead a scout group, let alone a country.

BTW....the latest the humanitarian side of Kerry on the working class...


" KERRY CALLED SECRET SERVICE AGENT 'SON OF A B*TCH' AFTER SLOPE SPILL

Dem presidential candidate John Kerry called his secret service agent a "son of a bitch" after the agent inadvertently moved into his path during a ski mishap in Idaho, sending Kerry falling into the snow.

When asked a moment later about the incident by a reporter on the ski run, Kerry said sharply, "I don't fall down," the "son of a b*itch knocked me over."

Excerpt taken from.
www.drudgereport.com...

Not to be argumentative or anything, but why is calling someone an SOB making him stupid? If someone cut me off in the slopes, at the grocery store, in my car, etc.......I would be saying the same thing. He just did it on camera or whatever....which, I guess was kinda stupid. Don't get me wrong....I don't think Kerry's going to be a great president either. Why can't we come up with someone who WILL be a good president? I hate all the dumb people in the country I call my home.

Kery has agreed with every postion. Then flip flopped and disagreed. I don't think he even rembers what he has said and agreed on in the past. All he cares about is the vote and will say anything to get it.
Hell, if there were the 3 major political parties in the race,he would be the only canidate to take a position on all three platforms.

I know you're looking for things Kerry has said but I wanted to add what OTHERS have said about Kerry:


"Kerry testified to unsubstantiated hearsay evidence; in short, he lied." - Matt Osborn, in alt.war.vietnam, March 25, 2004.

"And John 'Flip-Flop' Kerry chose to deliberately, and with malice, lie about events in Vietnam and chose to willfully defame and attack many people who stayed and fought instead of running home after only a few months and a couple of 'boo-boo's'.... And, unlike some other would-be politicians, he apparently chose to attend a meeting wherein assasination was the chosen topic as an agenda and deliberately chose not to report such. Such a wonderful, courageous, honorable way to fight for one's country...!!"
--- Mac in alt.war.vietnam, March 27, 2004.

Mr. Kerry hasn't given me any reason to trust his judgment. As co-chairman of the Senate investigating committee, he quashed a revealing inquiry into the POW/MIA issue, and he supports trade initiatives with the Socialist Republic of Vietnam while blocking any legislation requiring Hanoi to adhere to basic human rights." - Lt. Stephen Sherman, U.S. Army Special Forces, January 26, 2004.

MY PERSONAL FAVORITE

While Kerry will just lie and sell you down the river, as he has in the past. A man with No Honor is able to do one thing and he does it well, he saves his own skin no matter what or who he has to run over to do so. � Candidate with No Honor = Voters with No Honor � That will lead to a country with No Honor. - Ken the Grunt in alt.war.vietnam, March 24, 2004.

"I have to say it's quite extraordinary that in a country the size of the US, with a population as large as it has, the best the Dems could find to run against Bush is Kerry." - Saigon Sal, in alt.war.vietnam, March 22, 2004.

Service in Vietnam is an important credential to me. Many felt that such service was beneath them, and removed themselves from the manpower pool. That Mr. Kerry served at all is a reason for a bond with fellow veterans; that his service earned him a Bronze Star for Valor ("for personal bravery") and a Silver Star ("for gallantry") is even more compelling. Unfortunately, Mr. Kerry came home to Massachusetts, the one state George McGovern carried in 1972. He joined the Vietnam Veterans Against the War and emceed the Winter Soldier Investigation (both financed by Jane Fonda)." - Lt. Stephen Sherman, U.S. Army Special Forces, January 26, 2004.

"I've been saying for over thirty years that John Kerry, CBS, ABC and NBC are full of # and all I see are civilians who think junkies wearing cammies are Vietnam vets." (see fashion statement) - Matt Osborne, in alt.war.vietnam, March 15, 2004.

"John Kerry insisted that he will stand by his principles, so it could go either way." - Yaketyak, in alt.war.vietnam, March 14, 2004.

"Vote For Comrade Kerry, Europe's Solution to an Independent America." - Yaketyak, in alt.war.vietnam, April 1, 2004.

"But being a take-charge kind of guy, Mr. Kerry became a leader in the VVAW and even testified before Congress on the findings of the Investigation, which he accepted at face value In his book 'Stolen Valor', B.G. Burkett points out that Mr. Kerry liberally used phony veterans to testify to atrocities they could not possibly have committed." - Lt. Stephen Sherman, U.S. Army Special Forces, January 26, 2004.

"After Kerry returned from Vietnam he became an antiwar activist. But was he really? In 1972 he threw his medals away to protest the war. Years later it turned out that he had thrown someone ELSE'S medals away and kept his. � Ask yourself this: Would Patricia Ireland burn someone else's bra? Then doesn't this make Kerry a fraud?" OrionCA ([email protected]), in Re: Kerry Signed Up With Jane Fonda's "Fu*k the Army" Tour To Undermine U.S. Troops posted in alt.vietnam.veterans, Sun, 15 Feb 2004 00:37:44. See also John Kerry in the News #1

"Kerry is just another rich kid who had one aspiration. To be powerful in government. It's been a life long dream. And everything he's done has been toward achieving that dream. � He didn't go into the military for his country, he did it for himself. He didn't go to Vietnam for his country, he did it for himself and what he would personally gain from it. In the 60's and 70's the regulations stated that you could get a maximum of 90 days 'early out'. Yet Kerry managed to get a 12 month 'early out'. Go figure. � He's just another professional politician." � "Pongado" in Re: Kerry & JFK's Vietnam War By Klein - Kerry Was A Hero - For North Vietnam & Fonda posted in alt.vietnam.veterans, alt.military, alt.war.vietnam, Sun, 15 Feb 2004 05:37:28 GMT. See also John Kerry in the News #1

I can't decide which is dumbest, "Yes, I'll volunteer to go to Vietnam." or "Yes, I'll volunteer for another tour."

Originally posted by Muaddib

Man, who you kidding? That's Carlos Santana! That was backstage at the Roxy, dude!

Poster presents a list of purported Kerry miscues. An examination of the �errors and flip-flops� cited in context reveals an entirely different verdict on Kerry�s remarks.

We all know one could present a long list of Bush miscues taken from just one day in the linguistic adventure George can generate. GW has career potential for doing stand-up when he leave office this year.



�Let me tell you something. When Matthew Shepard gets crucified on a fence� �


Despite the slipups, his remarks drew strong applause from the predominantly African-American audience of 700.
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�I actually voted for the $87 billion, before I voted against it."


Kerry was referring to a measure he co-sponsored that would have provided the $87 billion while also temporarily reversing Bush's tax cuts for those making $400,000 a year or more. That measure was rejected 57-42.
The Bush campaign named the revised ad "Troops-Fog" and issued a news release saying Kerry's stance is part of a pattern of equivocation. Kerry spokesman Michael Meehan called the ad misleading and said: "John Kerry opposed a red inked, blank check on Bush�s failed Iraq policy."

www.factcheck.org...

�I don't think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq��

(Here is the entire remark, complete and not out of context�..

Sen. KERRY: I don't think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to�to whatever follows as a result of simply cutting and running. That's irresponsible. What is responsible is for the administration to do this properly now. And I am laying out the way in which the administration could unite the American people, could bring other countries to the table, and I think could give the American people a sense that they're on the right track. There's a way to do this properly. But I don't think anyone in the Congress is going to not give our troops ammunition, not give our troops the ability to be able to defend themselves. We're not going to cut and run and not do the job.

www.vote-smart.org...

As for the other remarks cited, as Kerry�s support for President Bush�s war, we must remember, Kerry is no a flip-flopper as implied (Why changing one�s mind in the light of new evidence to the contrary is a short coming is something I have yet to grasp. To do otherwise is described as pigheadedness)

We must remember Mr. Bush mislead Kerry and the rest of the nation on the path to his war with doctored and bogus intelligence.

Originally posted by Muaddib
BTW....the latest the humanitarian side of Kerry on the working class...


" KERRY CALLED SECRET SERVICE AGENT 'SON OF A B*TCH' AFTER SLOPE SPILL

Dem presidential candidate John Kerry called his secret service agent a "son of a bitch" after the agent inadvertently moved into his path during a ski mishap in Idaho, sending Kerry falling into the snow.

When asked a moment later about the incident by a reporter on the ski run, Kerry said sharply, "I don't fall down," the "son of a b*itch knocked me over."

Excerpt taken from.
www.drudgereport.com...

I disagree with it being a stupid thing Kerry said. He's protecting his image, since he doesn't want people comparing him to Bush who choked on a pretzel and in a later incident fell off his segway.

Kerry also doesn't want the same image as Blair, who got a condom filled with purple powder smacked in his face during a parliamentary debate.

NOTE THIS IS FROM "DRUDGE REPORT"
If your going to post things, post them from relevant sources.

Kerry, to a voter who asked him to identify which world leaders he had spoken with regarding the election:

"That's none of your business".

Originally posted by websurfer
I disagree with it being a stupid thing Kerry said. He's protecting his image, since he doesn't want people comparing him to Bush who choked on a pretzel and in a later incident fell off his segway.

Kerry also doesn't want the same image as Blair, who got a condom filled with purple powder smacked in his face during a parliamentary debate.

NOTE THIS IS FROM "DRUDGE REPORT"
If your going to post things, post them from relevant sources.

Oh really? if it was Bush, like it has happened before, neo-commies, err democrats would be all over it, but when Kerry does something like this , its ok, he is just trying to protect his image....

Oh we all know Kerry is a dick, or do we....

You didn't find much. Well, at least compared to the current president.