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reply posted on 26-1-2010 @ 04:37 AM by unicorn1
reply to post by DrumsRfun



OK then just to be controversial (who'd have thought it on ATS )
Not everyone goes into war to defend their country. Economics and other factors come into play too. Plus it's human nature to believe that it won't be YOU who gets killed.
The question is - is the steady trickle of bodies returning in full ceremony somehow glorifying war or will it impress upon people the hard fact that real people die? Will it bring down recruitment? Will it bring about greater opposition to current campaigns?
Because while many are concerned about the 'collateral damage' to the ordinary Iraqis, it really will only hit home when nearest and dearest pay the price.
So maybe we need more footage like this. And maybe to complement it we need the greater untold story - which is of the thousands who got injured or who will have to spend the rest of their lives struggling with mental or physical disability.
And stories about the parents who lost their sons and daughters and the kids who will grow up without their Mums or Dads.


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reply posted on 26-1-2010 @ 04:59 AM by DrumsRfun
reply to post by unicorn1



I think the answer to your question is (in my opinion) to get people mad enough to want to send more troops to keep it going.If all these people are dying then we must be loosing so send more type of thing.
Either that or if people see enough of them on the front page they might actually demand they bring the troops home.
I think they should also print more stories of homeless vets.

This is the age we live in.


I will say it again tho,if they really cared then they would quit parading it on the front page of the newspaper and just bring them home.



reply posted on 26-1-2010 @ 06:26 AM by Ulala
reply to post by Haydn_17



I live (temporarily) in the United Kingdom and have never once seen the tv news report a soldier's death, then cut over to the crying, bereaved family. And far from being frontpage, some fatalities barely merit a few column inches. So I disagree with that.

Perhaps the relatives might be upset because their Son has died ? Perhaps they counselled him not to join the Army in the first place and he ignored their advice ? That doesn't mean they shouldn't grieve.

Some bereaved families have campaigned for better explanations for their Son's death. Others have railed against the government about the inadequacy of their equipment, especially the lack of body armor, helicopters & adequate vehicles. Both of those are completely understandable and for them, perhaps, part of their own grieving process.

The (right wing) media report such things because they damage the electoral chances of Gordon Brown & his Labor government. I suspect the incoming Conservative government will get an easier ride.


reply posted on 26-1-2010 @ 08:13 AM by nik1halo
Originally posted by Ulala
reply to
post by Haydn_17



I live (temporarily) in the United Kingdom and have never once seen the tv news report a soldier's death, then cut over to the crying, bereaved family. And far from being frontpage, some fatalities barely merit a few column inches. So I disagree with that.



You're obviously not watching the right TV stations then. This has been my experience of news of a soldier's death. They report it and then cut to the family for a few words about the person as a son/husband/father, rather than the soldier. This is especially prevalant on the BBC.

I agree with the OP though, they always say how many British soldiers are killed, 250 at the last count, but they never mention how many of the enemy they managed to take out in the process.

They are only doing it to try to convince us that the enemy are the "evil" ones, who are killing our brave troops fighting for freedom from oppression.

Also, I'd like to point out that most soldiers (British ones anyway) don't believe in what they are fighting for and for many, it's just a pay-cheque. This is from the mouths of many of my friends who are soldiers.


reply posted on 26-1-2010 @ 10:07 AM by brilab45
Originally posted by Haydn_17
Does anyone else get really annoyed when everytime a soldier dies (especially in the UK, im not sure what its like in the US) its frontpage news "SOLDIER DIES IN IRAQ" and then on the news it cuts to the family crying, and this is an endless cycle everytime someone dies. Whats wrong with people? These brave men signed up themselves to join the army, what did they expect to do? Sit around the barracks all day?
In WW2 hundreads of thousands died but people got on with it, back then you had NO choice to go to war, but the deaths of 1 soldier wasnt plastered all over the news papers.

This is WAR people DIE, stop the negative headlines and lets put some positivity towards our troops.


What a complete lack of sensitivity OP. What have you done in service to your country?

I say plaster the the sacred dead soldiers on the front page of every newspaper and have a least a half hour featured documentary on the life and sacrifice of those that have fallen.

FYI....we don't join the military to die. We join out of principle and dedication to our countries. They die for you and what little freedoms we have left, whether you believe in wars or not.

If I had the power I would de-flag your post and force you into military service in order for you to see how stressful service to country can be.

This also applies to police, fireman or anyone in service to others. Where is your humanism. Obviously devoid.

This is a total thumbs down post!


reply posted on 26-1-2010 @ 10:47 AM by brilab45
reply to post by unicorn1



Yes, I agree some folks join out of necessity. However, many in the armed services are born from military lineage and it becomes compulsory for their descendants to join.

Correct me if I am wrong, but has anyone in the English royal family not served in their military? Most have, setting the example for loyalty to country.



reply posted on 26-1-2010 @ 11:01 AM by unicorn1
Originally posted by brilab45
reply to
post by unicorn1



Yes, I agree some folks join out of necessity. However, many in the armed services are born from military lineage and it becomes compulsory for their descendants to join.

Correct me if I am wrong, but has anyone in the English royal family not served in their military? Most have, setting the example for loyalty to country.


Yes I thought about the 'family tradition' but wasn't sure how to place it. I mean, is it like being expected to join the family firm or is it from a sense of duty passed down?
You could say the same of the royal family I guess (at a suitable rank of course).


reply posted on 26-1-2010 @ 11:54 AM by SeekerofTruth101
Soldiers are fellow human beings. And no human being would sacrifice themselves needlessly no matter what the amount of money is to be given. They have to believe in something higher than themselves.

And american soldiers believe in what they are doing, in the service for the flag, the nation and the people, espacially after 911 when thousands innocent died and injured for nothing other than a act of senseless murder by a corrupted and twisted group who manipulated a religion of peace to sow international hatred, pitting human against human.

WIth better hindsight, wars should never have been fought, but once that decision is taken to fight, it must and better be pursued to its rightful end and then qickly get out of there, and let civilian authorities take charge of peace efforts.

It took 20 years in Afghanistan to see a budding civilian authority attempting to achieve peace. The soldiers are there to ensure criminal elements do not take advantage of the situation. They believe in what they are doing and not making the mistake of Vietnam again.

After 1975, when US troops left vietnam without any actual peace being respected by the commie and republic, millions of innocent civilians died under the hands of the commie.

In Cambodia 1975, with the absence of US air support at the Cambodian/Nam border to prevent commie Nam incursions, the insane Khymer Rouge under Pol Pot went on a murderous rampage against the civilian populations suspected of being Vietnam or republic agents, untold misery and millions died stretched over 20 enduring years.

If US troops were to leave Afghanistan today, a similar bloodbath will only ensue. They should have never gotten in it in the first place, but now that they are in, they must finish it with peace. And this is what many a loyal american boy believes in, defending the lives of fellow humans, something fellow civilian americans must respect and honour, and to seek out the culprits who sway the public to such war.

Our soldier boys are innocent. And so are the troops on the other side. It's the leaders that oughtta be made accountable for their crimes against humanity.

While you and I, armchair critics, can support bloodshed earlier on a whim, but later change our minds upon hindsight with the pen stroke of a vote, the soldier boy does not have such luxury once the bullets fly in real and must pursue it to its eventual end.

If the germans had not been misled, there will not be WW2. Equally so if the Afghan moslems boys had not been manipulated. Do not, each nation, ever forsake the soldier boys, some whom had died or maimed doing something noble - protecting innocents from presumed or real harm, mixed up by the rhetorics of homicidal ignorant and manipulative leaders..



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