ABOUT $2 MILLION A MONTH: More illegal immigrants getting emergency treatment at UMC

The answer is not in inhumane treatment of those already here. It lies in closing the border and stopping the exodus from Mexico. Only when the border is closed, will the Mexican People stand up to their government and the criminal underground government that is Mexico. Right now they have little reason to clean up their own backyard.

We should also pursue all means of getting Mexico to reimburse us for caring for its citizens. Perhaps a Tariff on all Mexican Imports to be used for the medical care of their citizens. They most certainly not only allow them to illegally move here, they have encouraged it. It may be a peaceful invasion but it is an invasion all the same.

A tariff would also penalize American companies for relocating to Mexico. To hell with NAFTA. It needs to go away.

Then, apply meaningful, expensive punishment to companies caught employing Illegals. If there are no jobs for them, they will stop invading us.

I say dissolve the borders. Only the meanest of us won't share. Care for all the sick of the world. We are all in this together. We are not better than they are. We are one world. Imagine if you were the one who had to come here illegally.

reply to post by earthdude


What a crock of crap.

Without borders, your standard of living, as well as wage would plummet dramatically, crime rates would increase, etc etc.

Try to stop living in fairy tale land and take a look at reality.

reply to post by brainwrek


may your loved ones get sick while overseas...karma's a bitch, aint it.

btw, unless your native american, your an illegal immigrant also...your anscestors simply shot anyone whom objected...so, to be a proud patriot, these new illegals should go through the same process for rights as your ancestors did...aka, shoot anyone whom objects...aka, you.

get back on a boat and go home, paleface

Originally posted by brainwrek

Try to stop living in fairy tale land and take a look at reality.

Harsh reality is...the strong will conquer the weak in all its forms.
American law is weak, it will be conquered...as the native lands was weak and was assimiliated by the europeans, and the celtics crushed by the romans, etc...empires rise and fall...you can choose to fight it so it wont happen in your lifetime if you choose of course...and be a hypocryte when others try to do the same.

but who cares about any of that...war is the only solution...destroy all nations and crush those whom would dare wish for our standard of living...or fall as a nation into some new civilization unlike what was lost. Cant seem to win either way.

THAT is reality...not some evil mindset or view...that is the cold hard truth of the world...

reply to post by SaturnFX


Please post what law "the palefaces" broke since you claim they were illegal.

I'll save you the time. You cant.

Native Americans didnt believe in land ownership, hence you cant have something stolen from you that you did not own. Occupation doesnt equal ownership no matter how much you refuse to believe it.

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
Liberals have no idea how to run a business and it's obvious from some of the posters in this thread. Healthcare is a business sorry to say it. And our healthcare system cannot continue to subsidize and treat millions of illegals. I don't hear all of you clamoring to give illegals free cars, free food, free clothes, free education, free computers, free cellphones etc..........so why do you feel illegals should get free healthcare? Because it's a life or death situation? Many of us went to school to be doctors, nurses, x ray techs, pharmacists, surgeons, etc. to MAKE A LIVING not to give away charity. Do business students go to school to give away free stuff? Do engineers? No they don't. Healthcare is no different. It's sad that there are so many poor unhealthy people in the world and if you want to help them why don't you give money to hospitals and give more of your hard earned money to the US government.

Yeah! God damn right! Stupid damn liberals and their bleeding hearts. We should shut down their other socialist communist programs like fire departments, USDA, public schools, road pavers, police and social security. That will teach'em. If someone wants security or education they should have to pay for it individually.

Zosynspiracy, If you get sick from eating contaminated or poisoned food someday (GMO, dugs in milk, corn syrup, food from China, tainted beef...) I hope you have enough money to pay the doctors. If not, you'll need to sell your house if you want to stay alive, assuming you have one.

What? not a home owner? too bad. No money, no treatment. You chose to be poor. Go join the mexicuns.

Just pray the same fate does not befall your mate or someone you love and death comes quickly.



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Originally posted by brainwrek
reply to post by Koolcdj69

 

Ah the humane argument....lol

What do you propose people do if UMC were forced to close their doors due to the costs incurred by the illegals?

Since its the only public hospital in the city, what would you say to those who actually use the ER for emergencies, and not primary or secondary care?

Let me guess, force the private hospitals such as Summerlin or Mt View to treat these illegals and incur additional losses?

Its great to see you have no problem being humane when it comes to costing others money.

Right now, why dont you cut a check for $1,000 to UMC since you want to be so compassionate?

Me even donating five dollars is more of a contribution you'll ever do, but now answer my question, what would you do if you were in their shoes?
I bet you'll say the stubborn answer of, "Oh i'd go back to mexico or wherever i came from and get help there'


Be a man and admit you'd stay here illegally for the help.

Originally posted by groingrinder

Originally posted by Koolcdj69
Wow, I would love to see you live a day in their shoes, but my friend if it were you, it would be a much more different story wouldn't it? You'd be begging for medical treatment, but since I'm a HUMANE person unlike your reply I would gladly let my tax dollars go to work for you.

Citizens beg for medical treatment all the time. While illegal aliens are wheeled past them into the hospital for treatment. Where have you been?

Citizens who beg for medical treatment go to the same clinic as illegal immigrants idiot. Because neither have it, and my tax dollars go to work for both of them.

Originally posted by Koolcdj69



Me even donating five dollars is more of a contribution you'll ever do, but now answer my question, what would you do if you were in their shoes?
I bet you'll say the stubborn answer of, "Oh i'd go back to mexico or wherever i came from and get help there'


Be a man and admit you'd stay here illegally for the help.

More on a contribution? You are too funny.

Any time you wish to post tax returns detailing charitable donations, just say so. But lets make it interesting. Whoever is shown to donate less never posts again on ATS.

Sound good?

As for what I would do....

I wouldnt invade another country illegally, nor would I emigrate to another nation and become a drain on their resources. I take pride in providing for myself and my family, including providing quality health insurance.

reply to post by Merigold


Sounds like my story... but I'm still living it. Luckily my father works and pays for my school. Were are you from originally? and, Hows England working out for you? I'd like to move there someday..... are you an English football fan by the way? I love the sport.

By the way not all illegals live here without paying taxes. Texas has a program that allows people to pay their taxes without presenting a SSN. Not quite sure how that works but my parents do it. I wish they said we join the military to get our papers... I'd do it in a heartbeat. After all one should work for what they want.

Originally posted by brainwrek
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Please post what law "the palefaces" broke since you claim they were illegal.

I'll save you the time. You cant.

Native Americans didnt believe in land ownership, hence you cant have something stolen from you that you did not own. Occupation doesnt equal ownership no matter how much you refuse to believe it.

there ya go then, your own words...occupation does not equal ownership...so we are currently experiencing a 400 year occupation of north america, and therefore we cannot say who is or isnt illegal based on that philosophy.

what law? hmm..law of nature? law of humanity? we came here, occupied their lands, and made rules and regulations...as part of functional society I say laws are important, but philosophically, I laugh at the people getting frustrated at others breaking the occupations forces rules.

End of the day, we are all equal, everyone on earth...those whom choose to heal others should do so...and the one thing we get right is taking the tax dollars from hardass compassionless monkeys to use healing people...let em bluster and complain..makes those with a heart get a good laugh at these fools.

I find the people that are the loudest in complaining about healing the sick on our dime and therefore breaking the rule of law are also the ones that complain loudest about the government making laws in the first place...damn insane suits and hillbillys imo.

reply to post by groingrinder


Statements like this are primarily the problem Ignorance and people talking and repeating things both untrue and largely MISUNDERSTOOD, the only thing you really have going for you is the fact your politicians have grown you to hate very well.

Just so long as you have someone to hate and blame for all the problems you will never see the real problem!!!! you keep electing them year after year the same old crooks.

Originally posted by brainwrek
reply to post by earthdude

 

What a crock of crap.

Without borders, your standard of living, as well as wage would plummet dramatically, crime rates would increase, etc etc.

Try to stop living in fairy tale land and take a look at reality.

Take a look at the EU. Sounds like you have a very closed mind. Things will change, your standard of living will plummet, all of this will come about when those who think they are better than others are silenced. Stop trying to compete with the world and join in to make it better.

reply to post by earthdude


Although it may be hard to understand in your little emotion based one dimensional world view, some are better than others. Not because of race, nationality, religion, etc etc.

Some contribute while some are a drain.

Some produce, while others do absolutely nothing.

Do you honestly think someone starving in Ethiopia is equal to Bill Gates?

reply to post by Polynomial C


That's the problem, our taxes are going to help illegals and not Americans. Just today, I was visiting my Mother in the hospital and the woman in the bed next to her (an 84 year old )was trying to get help with medical but she made 5.00 over the limit. 5.00 won't pay for thousand of dollars of medical bills. Another example was some couple making 3.00 too much so they were denied medical help. Again 3.oo is in no way going to pay for thousands of dollars of medicsl bills.

As for hospitals closing because of illegals, we came very close to losing our only hospital here in the city. It is still iffy. I can tell you right now that had this hospital have been closed when my Dad was alive, he never would have made it to the age that he did. My Mom is in her eighties and time has been of the essence to get her immediate emergency care. If we would have travelled to another hospital, she could have died. Same with all the health problems my husband deals with. Travelling to another hospital could have caused his death. We desperately need a hospital right here in our own city.

Let's not pretend that the mega billions in money being made by the hospitals, doctors and pharmaceutical companies isn't the motivation for offering services in the first place. With the ability to over charge and milk the system, which everyone knows is the problem, bilking the government of tax dollars is being done by the hospital corporations and the doctors that inflate their services to ensure a good return on their time and effort.

Hospitals do their part to over charge and when you add in pharmaceutical companies it just goes to the dogs. At that juncture is just about the money and being able to bill and get paid for all the overpriced services the illegal immigrants receive. Did I mention the prices are overinflated to the immigrants?


If the hospital were providing charitable care it would be humanitarian aid and no one would care, but as soon as you pay the hospitals and doctors to care for such type of patients the federal government must distract you from the source of the problem. This tactic is indeed a divisive racial tactic that is as transparent as the legislators that signed such a law in the first place.

With Obama openly recruiting in Mexico for 650,000 to come to the USA and work, you have to ask yourself, why? When you begin to see all the money to be made, you then understand its about money and about keeping people fighting each other over some trumped up immigration problem.

There is no immigration problem that the USA hasn't created to justify some billion dollar expenditures for services rendered.

As long as its all about money nothing will change, but to blame the immigrant as if he stole your money is racial trapping that I wont take the bait on. I consider myself a little more prone to see the truth than those with whom immigration becomes a racial issue and then of course it always about "THEM people" isn't it? There different, they don't speak English, they this, they that, they they they...etc etc.

Obama gets cheap labor for his corporate masters without offering citizenship but allows for immigrants to have a work card that just so happens to allow for medical care. Obama is recruiting 650K to come here and work and will grant temporary Visas to allow the worker to stay and work.

Until the source of the problem is brought into focus it will be about race and about everything except the true source of the problem which is the laws that fund the services provided. It's the federal laws that define how to get paid and well, it appears that many in the hospital corporations and doctors groups have figured out how to milk the cow for all the milk they want. They will tell you they are doing what the law allows and so what if it is very profitable?

They just need more immigrants to keep the milking of the taxpayers going on a 24/7 basis. There is a lot of money to be made in offering medical services to immigrants. Truth be known, they plan to steal that money whether you like it or not as long as the law allows.

Let's not pretend its because a real immigration problem exists because what we are seeing is a designed program for stealing billions in tax payer dollars while shifting attention to those that receive the medical aid. It is akin to a shell game with a twist of deception. It's still just a scam and I for one will continue to see that it is the scam that angers me and not the immigrants that are being used as a vehicle to keep Americans fighting each other over contrived and false immigrations issues.

When all else fails you, follow the money. It will tell you the why of many things.