The answer is not in inhumane treatment of those already here. It lies in closing the border and stopping the exodus from Mexico. Only when the border is closed, will the Mexican People stand up to their government and the criminal underground government that is Mexico. Right now they have little reason to clean up their own backyard.

We should also pursue all means of getting Mexico to reimburse us for caring for its citizens. Perhaps a Tariff on all Mexican Imports to be used for the medical care of their citizens. They most certainly not only allow them to illegally move here, they have encouraged it. It may be a peaceful invasion but it is an invasion all the same.

A tariff would also penalize American companies for relocating to Mexico. To hell with NAFTA. It needs to go away.

Then, apply meaningful, expensive punishment to companies caught employing Illegals. If there are no jobs for them, they will stop invading us.

I say dissolve the borders. Only the meanest of us won't share. Care for all the sick of the world. We are all in this together. We are not better than they are. We are one world. Imagine if you were the one who had to come here illegally.

Originally posted by brainwrek

Try to stop living in fairy tale land and take a look at reality.

Harsh reality is...the strong will conquer the weak in all its forms.
American law is weak, it will be conquered...as the native lands was weak and was assimiliated by the europeans, and the celtics crushed by the romans, etc...empires rise and fall...you can choose to fight it so it wont happen in your lifetime if you choose of course...and be a hypocryte when others try to do the same.

but who cares about any of that...war is the only solution...destroy all nations and crush those whom would dare wish for our standard of living...or fall as a nation into some new civilization unlike what was lost. Cant seem to win either way.

THAT is reality...not some evil mindset or view...that is the cold hard truth of the world...

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
Liberals have no idea how to run a business and it's obvious from some of the posters in this thread. Healthcare is a business sorry to say it. And our healthcare system cannot continue to subsidize and treat millions of illegals. I don't hear all of you clamoring to give illegals free cars, free food, free clothes, free education, free computers, free cellphones etc..........so why do you feel illegals should get free healthcare? Because it's a life or death situation? Many of us went to school to be doctors, nurses, x ray techs, pharmacists, surgeons, etc. to MAKE A LIVING not to give away charity. Do business students go to school to give away free stuff? Do engineers? No they don't. Healthcare is no different. It's sad that there are so many poor unhealthy people in the world and if you want to help them why don't you give money to hospitals and give more of your hard earned money to the US government.

Yeah! God damn right! Stupid damn liberals and their bleeding hearts. We should shut down their other socialist communist programs like fire departments, USDA, public schools, road pavers, police and social security. That will teach'em. If someone wants security or education they should have to pay for it individually.

Zosynspiracy, If you get sick from eating contaminated or poisoned food someday (GMO, dugs in milk, corn syrup, food from China, tainted beef...) I hope you have enough money to pay the doctors. If not, you'll need to sell your house if you want to stay alive, assuming you have one.

What? not a home owner? too bad. No money, no treatment. You chose to be poor. Go join the mexicuns.

Just pray the same fate does not befall your mate or someone you love and death comes quickly.



[edit on 26-1-2010 by platoslab]

Originally posted by groingrinder

Originally posted by Koolcdj69
Wow, I would love to see you live a day in their shoes, but my friend if it were you, it would be a much more different story wouldn't it? You'd be begging for medical treatment, but since I'm a HUMANE person unlike your reply I would gladly let my tax dollars go to work for you.

Citizens beg for medical treatment all the time. While illegal aliens are wheeled past them into the hospital for treatment. Where have you been?

Citizens who beg for medical treatment go to the same clinic as illegal immigrants idiot. Because neither have it, and my tax dollars go to work for both of them.

Originally posted by Koolcdj69



Me even donating five dollars is more of a contribution you'll ever do, but now answer my question, what would you do if you were in their shoes?
I bet you'll say the stubborn answer of, "Oh i'd go back to mexico or wherever i came from and get help there'


Be a man and admit you'd stay here illegally for the help.

More on a contribution? You are too funny.

Any time you wish to post tax returns detailing charitable donations, just say so. But lets make it interesting. Whoever is shown to donate less never posts again on ATS.

Sound good?

As for what I would do....

I wouldnt invade another country illegally, nor would I emigrate to another nation and become a drain on their resources. I take pride in providing for myself and my family, including providing quality health insurance.

Let's not pretend that the mega billions in money being made by the hospitals, doctors and pharmaceutical companies isn't the motivation for offering services in the first place. With the ability to over charge and milk the system, which everyone knows is the problem, bilking the government of tax dollars is being done by the hospital corporations and the doctors that inflate their services to ensure a good return on their time and effort.

Hospitals do their part to over charge and when you add in pharmaceutical companies it just goes to the dogs. At that juncture is just about the money and being able to bill and get paid for all the overpriced services the illegal immigrants receive. Did I mention the prices are overinflated to the immigrants?


If the hospital were providing charitable care it would be humanitarian aid and no one would care, but as soon as you pay the hospitals and doctors to care for such type of patients the federal government must distract you from the source of the problem. This tactic is indeed a divisive racial tactic that is as transparent as the legislators that signed such a law in the first place.

With Obama openly recruiting in Mexico for 650,000 to come to the USA and work, you have to ask yourself, why? When you begin to see all the money to be made, you then understand its about money and about keeping people fighting each other over some trumped up immigration problem.

There is no immigration problem that the USA hasn't created to justify some billion dollar expenditures for services rendered.

As long as its all about money nothing will change, but to blame the immigrant as if he stole your money is racial trapping that I wont take the bait on. I consider myself a little more prone to see the truth than those with whom immigration becomes a racial issue and then of course it always about "THEM people" isn't it? There different, they don't speak English, they this, they that, they they they...etc etc.

Obama gets cheap labor for his corporate masters without offering citizenship but allows for immigrants to have a work card that just so happens to allow for medical care. Obama is recruiting 650K to come here and work and will grant temporary Visas to allow the worker to stay and work.

Until the source of the problem is brought into focus it will be about race and about everything except the true source of the problem which is the laws that fund the services provided. It's the federal laws that define how to get paid and well, it appears that many in the hospital corporations and doctors groups have figured out how to milk the cow for all the milk they want. They will tell you they are doing what the law allows and so what if it is very profitable?

They just need more immigrants to keep the milking of the taxpayers going on a 24/7 basis. There is a lot of money to be made in offering medical services to immigrants. Truth be known, they plan to steal that money whether you like it or not as long as the law allows.

Let's not pretend its because a real immigration problem exists because what we are seeing is a designed program for stealing billions in tax payer dollars while shifting attention to those that receive the medical aid. It is akin to a shell game with a twist of deception. It's still just a scam and I for one will continue to see that it is the scam that angers me and not the immigrants that are being used as a vehicle to keep Americans fighting each other over contrived and false immigrations issues.

When all else fails you, follow the money. It will tell you the why of many things.