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Topic started on 24-1-2010 @ 10:06 PM by amance
Some time in 2008, an astrophysics friend and I had an ongoing debate about the existence of Nibiru. Both of us had doubts about the traditional Nibiru theory but I had seen a significant amount of evidence to indicate that major global catastrophes were occurring at regular intervals of about 3600 years. The evidence I speak of will consist of raw scientific evidence, mythical evidence, and scientific discoveries.

While I frequently use the term Nibiru, please know that this is merely a word we both agreed to use to indicate the cause of the catastrophes on Earth. This thread is not about whether nibiru exists or not but to show proof of catastrophes occurring on a regular basis.

One key element to be aware of is that the dates I'll use will correspond to this 3600 year cycle with 2012 being the completion of one 3600 year cycle. This means that all the dates correspond with 3600 years before 2012, 7200 years before 2012, and so on.

~1620 BCE - The Minoan Eruption of Thera


The Minoan Eruption of Thera was a major catastrophic volcanic eruption around 1600 BCE. The eruption was one of the largest volcanic events on Earth in recorded history and contributed to the collapse of the Minoan culture. The Minoan culture was a major culture like that of the Greeks or Romans and it mysteriously disappeared rather suddenly.
Minoan Eruption Link

~1662 BCE - Avellino Eruption of Mt. Vesuvius


This eruption, and others of the time, caused narrow tree rings (extremely slow growth) of trees worldwide. Avellino Eruption Link

~1620 BCE - Chinese records indicate catastophe


The Bamboo Annals indicate the collapse of the Xia dynasty accompanied by "yellow fog, a dim sun, then three suns, frost in July, famine, and the withering of all five cereals". Bamboo Annals Link

~1600 BCE - Indus Valley Civilization Abruptly Ends


A huge civilization on the order of Egypt and Summer suddenly disappears. Indus Valley Civilization Link

~1600 BCE - Mesoamerican civilization of Norte Chico declines


It would be another thousand years before the appearance of the next great Peruvian culture, the Chavín. Norte Chico Link

~9000 BCE Global Ice Sheets Suddenly Melt


In 1975, C. Emiliani, of the University of Miami, analyzed the fossil remnants of microscopic organisms under the sediments of the floor of the Gulf of Mexico. From his studies, he concluded that 11,000 years ago [9000 B.C.], the Gulf of Mexico contained water that was much less salty than it is today. He suggests that the ice sheet has undergone sudden melting and that a vast flood of water had entered the Gulf of Mexico and raised the sea level markedly.

Professor J. Shaw, of Queen's University, Canada, estimated that 82,000 cubic kilometers of water may have poured out from the ice to form the Drumlin Field in Saskatchewan, Canada. The largest river in the world, the Amazon, takes 10 years to discharge the same amount of water into the Atlantic Ocean. The estimated date for this flood is between 10000 and 9000 B.C.

The Columbia Basin, in USA, was probably the scene of the greatest stream of water for which there is geological evidence. One reference dates the flood to between 13000 and 10000 B.C, another dates it to between 11000 and 9000 B.C. Water spread from the Spokane valley over to the Columbian Basin that has a size larger than France, Switzerland, and Belgium put together. The maximum flow rate of the water is estimated at 62 cubic kilometers per hour, a rate that is 15 times the combined flow rate of all the rivers of the world.


reply posted on 24-1-2010 @ 10:25 PM by amance

Major Depopulation of Mammals Worldwide



In Alaska, millions of frozen animals and trees were found mingled together in what could only be attributed to a terrible catastrophe. Millions of animals, such as mammoth, mastodon, and bison were found torn 'limb from limb'. Trees were uprooted and thrown with animals in a haphazard fashion. Frank Hibben, a professor of archaeology, visited Alaska in 1941. He wrote: "In many places the Alaskan muck blanket is packed with animal bones and debris in trainload lots. Within this mass, frozen solid lie the twisted parts of animals and trees intermingled with lenses of ice and layers of peat and mosses. It looks as though in the middle of some catacystimic catastrophe, the whole Alaskan world of living animals and plants was suddenly frozen in mid-motion in grim charade." The estimated dating of the catastrophe is between 11000 and 9000 B.C.

Evidence of the worldwide destruction of mammals is found in the Siwalik Hills, foothills of the Himalayas, central Burma, Europe, Asia, and Siberia. The estimated remains of extinct animals along the rivers of northern Siberia are 10 million. N.K. Vereshchagin of the Zoology Institute in Leningrad estimates that the arctic coastal plain between Yana and Koyma alone contains at least half a million tons of mammoth tusks. The estimated date for the disappearance of the mammoth is between 11000 and 9000 B.C.

The islands of Leakhov, Stolbovoin, Belkov, and the New Siberean Island are packed with mammoth bones. Some skeletons and carcasses were found complete, but the majority was torn about by a gigantic force. Microscopic studies of the skin revealed red blood corpuscles, a sign of sudden death by suffocation. Also, the explorers of the New Siberian Island found some trees uprooted and others partly up-right and buried in the frozen soil. They believe a forest existed on the Island before it was suddenly devastated between 10000-9000 B.C.

Mythological Evidence



Middle East:
Egyptian Flood
Biblical Flood and Plagues

China
The Chinese annals say that in the time of Emperor Yahou, the sun did not go down for ten days. The world was in flames, and in their vast extent the waters over topped the great heights, threatening the heavens with their floods. The water of the ocean was heaped up and cast upon the continent of Asia; a great tidal wave swept over the mountains and broke in the middle of the Chinese Empire. The water was caught in the valleys between the mountains, and the land was flooded for decades.

India
Vedic Text (Vig-Reda) Describes Great Flood

Summary



I think that the combination of hard scientific evidence revealed by geologists and paleo scientists, combined with the plethora of mythical evidence about catastrophes provides good evidence of a cyclical catastrophe. I would love to find more information about ~5200 BCE to see what civilizations disappeared and what kind of hard geological and biological evidence exists.

I have more examples for the ~1600 BCE and ~9000 BCE events but I didn't want to beat a dead horse. I'm severely lacking in ~5200 BCE examples other than the fact that there isn't much evidence of any major city-state civilizations existing prior to the Sumerian civilization of Ubaid.
Sumer Link

I welcome your thoughts.


reply posted on 24-1-2010 @ 10:30 PM by Dock9
Have to say, I'm 'ovah' the whole 2012 issue

I'm over all those attempting to capitalise on it endlessly via endless threads in endless fora

Surely people are aware of how many Doomsday predictions .. FAILED Doomsday predictions ... have preceded this one ?

Every age, every faith, has used impending DOOM to win more converts and to entice lapsed members to return

As well, I believe there exists (and has done for several years) an insidious agenda to perpetrate a War of the Worlds event on the gullible

And I believe those at the back of such an agenda are paying people to ramp up 2012-Fever

in the hope of taking control via people's indoctrinated fear and anxiety


Evidence of this exists in the Rik Clay disclosures (there's a Rik Clay thread current here in ATS and other fora .. would pay people to listen to the videos and browse the evidence ) re: a suspected HOAX 'alien invasion' to coincide with the London Olympics and Queen's Diamond Jubilee, in 2012

EVERY generation, going back to before the time of Christ, has had the immense ego and self-importance to believe the 'world will end' blah blah in THEIR lifetime

And of course, they age, turn grey, get arthritis, live alone and die -- just like most in society -- from simple old age and infirmity (that's those who don't die in accidents or from murder and attacks, diseases etc. beforehand)

It's reached the point (thanks to those money-making disaster-movies and books) where people are addicted to drama. And nothing seduces like a drama with oneself at the centre

And let's not forget those who feel life has nothing to offer them, seeing they can't 'make it' as movie and tv and rock stars. They were trained through a childhood spent before a tv screen, to have unrealistic expectations of Life. Their real life is a disappointment to them. In fact, many feel life has betrayed them by failing to deliver on their unattainable expectations

So, they're angry. They're bitter. They're disappointed. They don't want to be 'ordinary' and they don't want to grow old. They'd prefer 'aliens' to 'come' and do something dramatic, like interstellar Santa Clauses. Or they'd prefer for the 'entire world' to end in a burst of 2012 glory and drama

Well, too bad. People should reconcile themselves to more of what they've experienced to date: taxes, sickness, lying politicians, increasing prices, 'ordinary' existence ending in old age and a wreath of flowers on their grave before the mourners drive off to have drinks and snacks

In ten years time, the 2012 brou-ha-ha will be just another failed prediction. Who remembers the 2000 hysteria ? Not many. When the clock ticked over to 2001, people discovered they still had to find their mortgage payments, take out the trash and do the washing up

It will be the same when the clock ticks over to 2013



reply posted on 24-1-2010 @ 10:53 PM by heffo7
reply to post by Dock9



Or you're wrong and we look back and say 'all the signs were there but we missed them'.

Only takes one of these doomsday prophecies to be right.

Never hurts to prepare for the worst, but not necessarily expect it.


reply posted on 24-1-2010 @ 11:39 PM by amance
reply to post by Dock9



I would have preferred if you had responded to something I actually wrote in the topic instead of trying to derail the topic via mentioning pop culture or musing on the psychology of doom.

I tend to agree with what you said about the intensity of this particular date and how it is being exploited by many for a variety of nefarious reasons.

I was hoping to create a scientific debate that recognizes these destructive cycles. Let's stay on topic, shall we?


reply posted on 25-1-2010 @ 12:05 AM by aristocrat2
Ideas of a mystic enlightenment are garbage. If 2012 is treated as a high accuracy prediction rather than a prophecy, the whole thing then becomes a frightening possibility.
If this is the case, it might explain the NWO, if they were to know of a catastrophy that is imminent then...

- They might be using public funds to protect either the most important in the world or themselves.
- They would wish to introduce a strict control network.
- It could well explain global warming happening at the same time.

If a prediction, then there are really about two main possibilities:-

- An astronomic body like a planet or asteroid
- A solar flare

The following supports a solar flare...

- Dead mammoth
- Melting of the ice
- Current global warming
- Recent neutrino count being way off for the Sun
- The fact that our sun is well overdue for a solar flare.

If 2012 is actually about a solar flare, we should celebrate being given an incredible opportunity to survive it as there is a back door way. A solar flare only lasts a few weeks, so all one can survive it by simply putting a mile or two of solid earth crust between us and the sun in the sky. This can be done by finding a place that has the following...

- On 21st December 2012, it will be the Winter Solstice anywhere well north of the Arctic Circle will be safe from the Sun as it will not rise at that time of year.
- Somewhere well above sea level
- Somewhere connected by road as a solar flare will mess up all avionics

Put that all together and one needs to be in or north of Fort McPherson in Canada.


reply posted on 4-2-2010 @ 12:32 AM by Qaw2594
reply to post by Dock9



Yes there are those times when people said the end was near, and nothing ever happened. But What about the times when something actually happened? You forget that not everybody is a liar, And that to have all these ancient cultures, who obviously were way more intelligent then us, Say something about 2012, and that something is going to happen, Well to me, it would be stupid, ignorant, and recklace to just turn the other cheek.
So to add on to your claim, who's to say that you're not part of the conspiracy? Hired by the government to disprove all of the evidence, so that the masses will not panic! You can claim stuff, and so can I buddy it's call an Opinion.



reply posted on 4-2-2010 @ 12:36 AM by Qaw2594
reply to post by aristocrat2



Why above sea level? you never said anything about a flood or anything.


reply posted on 4-2-2010 @ 12:51 AM by grantbeed
reply to post by aristocrat2



A Solar Flare is not going to wipe out anything apart from our satellites or electrical equipment here on Earth.

There have been huge Solar Storms and CME's that have hit the Earth in the past and the worst has been some fires due to electrical equipment frying and problems with communications satellites.

the Earth is well protected by the Magnetosphere.



Can Our Sun Produce a Killer Flare?

The short answer to this is "no".

The longer answer is a little more involved. Whilst a solar flare from out Sun, aimed directly at us, could cause secondary problems such as satellite damage and injury to unprotected astronauts and blackouts, the flare itself is not powerful enough to destroy Earth, certainly not in 2012.

I dare say, in the far future when the Sun begins to run out of fuel and swell into a red giant, it might be a bad era for life on Earth, but we have a few billion years to wait for that to happen. There could even be the possibility of several X-class flares being launched and by pure bad luck we may get hit by a series of CMEs and X-ray bursts, but none will be powerful to overcome our magnetosphere, ionosphere and thick atmosphere below.

"Killer" solar flares have been observed on other stars. In 2006, NASA's Swift observatory saw the largest stellar flare ever observed 135 light-years away. Estimated to have unleashed an energy of 50 million trillion atomic bombs, the II Pegasi flare will have wiped out most life on Earth if our Sun fired X-rays from a flare of that energy at us. However, our Sun is not II Pegasi. II Pegasi is a violent red giant star with a binary partner in a very close orbit. It is believed the gravitational interaction with its binary partner and the fact II Pegasi is a red giant is the root cause behind this energetic flare event.

Doomsayers point to the Sun as a possible Earth-killer source, but the fact remains that our Sun is a very stable star. It does not have a binary partner (like II Pegasi), it has a predictable cycle (of approximately 11 years) and there is no evidence that our Sun contributed to any mass extinction event in the past via a huge Earth-directed flare. Very large solar flares have been observed (such as the 1859 Carrington white light flare)… but we are still here.

In an added twist, solar physicists are surprised by the lack of solar activity at the start of this 24th solar cycle, leading to some scientists to speculate we might be on the verge of another Maunder minimum and "Little Ice Age". This is in stark contrast to NASA solar physicist's 2006 prediction that this cycle will be a "doozy".

This leads me to conclude that we still have a long way to go when predicting solar flare events. Although space weather prediction is improving, it will be a few years yet until we can read the Sun accurately enough to say with any certainty just how active a solar cycle is going to be. So, regardless of prophecy, prediction or myth, there is no physical way to say that the Earth will be hit by any flare, let alone a big one in 2012.

Even if a big flare did hit us, it will not be an extinction event. Yes, satellites may be damaged, causing secondary problems such as a GPS loss (which might disrupt air traffic control for example) or national power grids may be overwhelmed by auroral electrojets, but nothing more extreme than that


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Currently i'ts May 2013 that is predicted as being the next solar Maximum, not 2012. This may even be knocked back further due to the slow increase in activity from the sun just now.



An international panel of experts led by NOAA and sponsored by NASA has released a new prediction for the next solar cycle. Solar Cycle 24 will peak, they say, in May 2013 with a below-average number of sunspots.

If our prediction is correct, Solar Cycle 24 will have a peak sunspot number of 90, the lowest of any cycle since 1928 when Solar Cycle 16 peaked at 78


science.nasa.gov...

www.universetoday.com...


[edit on 4-2-2010 by grantbeed]


reply posted on 4-2-2010 @ 01:14 AM by MaxBlack
I have followed 2012 for years. Even went on a Central American adventure back in the late 90's and visited the many obscure Temples and pyramids of Mexico. I stood in appreciation for the scale and grandeur of what I was witnessing.

Over time when I became intrigued with Dec. 21, 2012. I went through a phase of fear and unknowing. I had many moments thinking of disasters by pole axis shift, earthquakes so violent that no one would survive, waves of ocean water so high that you would need to be in a high mountain region to survive, comet strikes, meteor strikes, solar flares, gamma waves, x factors from Cignus-x3 when the aligns with the center of the milky way, burning to death when the atmosphere ignites, and probably half a dozen other possibilities.

Well, those days are over. I take life one day at a time and I thank my maker to have been born at such a time in history to of been alive when the great awaking occurs. If that awakening is by some gruesome death as described above, then so be it. The odds of being alive for such a cataclysmic event stagger the imagination. Well, it staggers mine at least.

So much so that I no longer worry about how or when. I think and thank my maker for being taken to the precipice of reality by whatever force allowed me to witness such an event. On the other hand, nothing could happen, but if that were the case then the Mayans wouldn't have carved the date on a calendar showing the date in question. With so many cultures having different reasons for 2012 it still boggles my mind to think that I will be afforded the first hand opportunity to see what happens.

We all will and something tells me its not "pleasure spiked with pain". Thank you Red Hot Chili Peppers.

I mean what are the odds of being alive to witness the most revered date in history? I don't know what it could be but in my book its got to be astronomical.


reply posted on 4-2-2010 @ 01:31 AM by ET_MAN
reply to post by amance


Who or what is responsible for and pulls all strings behind all earth changes/catastrophic events?

"It just happens, it's a natural cycle of evolution."

Bzzzz Wrong answer...

Courtesy of Evasius.






Grain of Sand Solar System!

Over 100 Billion+ Stars Tiny Galaxy!

A Little Spec Among Infinite!

They Want You To Keep An Open Mind!
How Deep Does the Rabbit Hole Really Go?

Follow The White Rabbit.




[edit on 4-2-2010 by ET_MAN]


reply posted on 6-5-2010 @ 12:43 AM by one4all
These global events are cyclical and our population is threatened every time it happens,I was abducted as a child and implanted with devices,I was taken off planet and taught skills ,the abductions are really just seeding of highly learned people in geographical areas that will be high percent survival areas.Some people will be taken off planet,Most will not,most will die regardless as to how much we know or are prepared,it is a crapshoot plain and simple like our existance ALWAYS IS.

This is one of the best topics I have seen,OP keep on trucking you have hit the nail on the head,you are dead on,the only question remaining is WHAT CAUSES THESE EVENTS---not if they happen and not if they are extinction size or not.

We obviously survive them what is disturbing is that we ALWAYS END UP COMPLETELY DECIMATED THERE IS NO CONTINUITY OF TECHNOLOGY OR TRUE CULTURE WE ALWAYS HAVE TO START ALL OVER.

Something is so utterly devestating that there is no teaching,no schools,no continuity,only hidden pockets of dreams or technology that future surviving humanity wouldnt even recognise.

Sounds like the stories of Hitler and the US searching for archealogical artifacts fervently has a basis in possible reality,AND A VALID REASON.

Point is most die,and there is no way to stop it from happening BUT THE KICKER IS WE CANT TELL EVERYONE BECAUSE WE NEED TO KEEP OUR POPULATION AS GROWTH ORIENTTED AS WE CAN SO WE HAVE ENOUGH NUMBERS TO SURVIVE THE NEXT EVENT.

What I am saying is that YES history does repeat itself we arent idiots to FELL THAT WAY.And YES,we are in the SAME RACE THAT HUMANITY HAS BEEN IN SINCE WE BECAME SELFAWARE,THE RACE TO DEFEAT MOTHER NATURE HERE ON EARTH.

We only get the same amount of time to make it off this planet in time as all other VERSIONS of us,as all the other cycles of humanity.

If we make it off the planet in spacefaring numbers we might not come back for a long long time,there might not be much to stay or come back for for a thousand years or more.


This might be why we will have disclosure in 2012.There is a possibility that all or some of the CYCLES that have made it to spacefaring status sooner than us might come back at the same time before the cycle ends to save as many humans as possible,to allow life for humanity to continue here,maybe we are a home planet and are helped out of respect for the cycles and the origin of our particular human races.


Either way dont laugh at the high altitude advice I have had many dreams myself and have made plans.

Who cares what the reason is behind my own instincts,I am following them,its better to have one and not need it than to need one and not have it.

Always remember that the victors or the survivors always write the HISTORY of events,his-story---so lets suffice to say that its pretty obvious that the majority are not survivors,the MINORITY ARE SURVIVORS.

If you plan on being part of our future history you should seriously consider getting as far away from the MAJORITY PERSPECTIVE AS YOU HUMANLY CAN.

This is why some people will not accept the evidence you give to them,they will not be a part of that future,ONLY BECAUSE THEY ARE PART OF THE MAJORITY PERSPECTIVE AND FOR ONLY THAT REASON,NOT GOD NOT GOODNESS OR LACK OF GOODNESS its a numbers game people.

These craft and this technology are real and they are HUMAN in origin,human exactly like us,just different races.Not gods,HUMANS.

The laws of nature affect us all in the same way here on earth.They die just like us,they crash their ships just like us,mother nature screws with them,just like us,NOT GODS---HUMANS.

And this cycle is only unique to us here on earth,we have bigger problems as members of the human species,we are currently involved in a Galactic war we have been kept in the dark about.

Everything in the Universe works AROUND MOTHER NATURE,these cycles that beat the crap out of us have NEVER HALTED HUMANITIES PROGRESS THERE ARE HUMANS ALL OVER THE GALAXY AND UNIVERSE.


reply posted on 6-5-2010 @ 01:04 AM by one4all
Heres your answer,this is the first time in history that we have had acess to all of the information we can now google in a couple of hours ,in six months I can have personal knowledge of thousands of years of human history and information,my brain was designed to process ten times this amount of information I JUST NEVER HAD ACESS TO THE VOLUME I COULD HANDLE.

The old powers that be used the destruction of education and the manipulation of information and knowledge MOSTLY THE WITHHOLDING OF SUCH FROM THE MASSES.Those days are over.


It doesnt take much effort today to google sumerian history and compare it to the current biblical stories WORD FOR WORD,I can compare a hundred cultural histories in a couple of days and PROCESS ALL OF THE COMMONALITIES IN JUST THAT TIME,in the past a thousand lifetimes wouldnt allow me to learn that much BECAUSE MY INDIVIDUAL LIFESPANS ALWAYS KILLED ME SO SOON.


The reason 2012 is a SOLID UNMOVING DATE IS BECAUSE WE CAN NO LONGER BE SCREWED WITH IN THE INFORMATION AQUISITION AND TRANSFER DEPARTMENTS --than you internet.

Humans are finally finding out what their history REALLY LOOKS LIKE without being snowed by some religous cult leader or some little Hitler political leader,we can grasp it all at once now ,and we now see how to eliminate the negative things that have been holding humanity back for to long.

The date will remain solid ,only the outcome is in question.

Any rational human being who absorbs the information ,THE TRUE HISTORICAL INFORMATION,NOT THE CRAP FED TO US BY THPTB,will also come up with that date or sometime very soon.

The date is less important than the awareness that we need to be prepared for drastic and immediate changes ALL OF THE TIME and not be COMPLACENT in our realisation of the deadly threat that mother nature can be to our species.

We are so close to being booted back to the stoneage by something as simple as a volcano erupting,thats pretty scary.


Wheres that dam space station again???


reply posted on 6-5-2010 @ 03:20 AM by dragnet53
Originally posted by aristocrat2
Ideas of a mystic enlightenment are garbage. If 2012 is treated as a high accuracy prediction rather than a prophecy, the whole thing then becomes a frightening possibility.
If this is the case, it might explain the NWO, if they were to know of a catastrophy that is imminent then...

- They might be using public funds to protect either the most important in the world or themselves.
- They would wish to introduce a strict control network.
- It could well explain global warming happening at the same time.

If a prediction, then there are really about two main possibilities:-

- An astronomic body like a planet or asteroid
- A solar flare

The following supports a solar flare...

- Dead mammoth
- Melting of the ice
- Current global warming
- Recent neutrino count being way off for the Sun
- The fact that our sun is well overdue for a solar flare.

If 2012 is actually about a solar flare, we should celebrate being given an incredible opportunity to survive it as there is a back door way. A solar flare only lasts a few weeks, so all one can survive it by simply putting a mile or two of solid earth crust between us and the sun in the sky. This can be done by finding a place that has the following...

- On 21st December 2012, it will be the Winter Solstice anywhere well north of the Arctic Circle will be safe from the Sun as it will not rise at that time of year.
- Somewhere well above sea level
- Somewhere connected by road as a solar flare will mess up all avionics

Put that all together and one needs to be in or north of Fort McPherson in Canada.



www.the-rabbits-hole.com...

Look up the Denver Airport. Just read all his presentation on that site.


reply posted on 6-5-2010 @ 04:27 AM by mobiusmale
I believe that you are on the right track here, no doubt in my mind. The only question for me is exactly what is the cycle.

Below is a link to site that has my attention in this regard at the moment. It seems to nicely tie together, the ideas that a large companion to the Sun periodically affects the inner solar system (and thus our planet), wreaks some kind of havoc, and that people have recorded facts associated to this in times past.

I have always had a little trouble with the idea that a brown dwarf sized body itself makes the inbound trip...and especially that it may do so in the 2010 to 2020 time-frame, as so many ancient traditions seem to suggest time-wise. Surely, if so, we would now be well aware of its precise location and orbital path.

We are well aware, scientifically, that every once in a while "something" happens that will cause civilizations to abruptly disappear, or cause extinction events, or provide the energies that would be required to, say, actually physically relocate the poles.

We also know that some/many/most of the these events can be linked to collisions between the earth and comet/asteroid sized bodies. But with the common forms of minor NEO's that interact with our planet, these transactions are statistically random.

So one has to ask, why is that the more significant collisions seem to occur on a fairly "regular" basis over time? And given that they do, by what mechanism do they occur?

I think the authors of the attached present a fairly compelling theorem, that seems to have a basis in science. If we stick more to their scientific arguments, than the softer supporting evidence they provide (though perhaps some percentage of these are supportable as well) as anecdotal background, perhaps we have something to begin to hang a hat on.

www.barry.warmkessel.com...

I would be quite interested in getting the feedback and analysis of the learned folk here...particularly those who can speak knowledgeably about the physics and astronomy detailed therein.

Where there is smoke there is fire. Significant numbers of the cultures who have been through "this" before have described elements of it and have left information that will help us to recognize when it will be time for "it" to happen again - sometimes left in the form of mathematically significant stone monuments, sometimes in the form of "prophecies" and/or messages from the "Gods".

To repeat myself, I think this line of thought is on the mark. Further discussion and research, perhaps can yield solid clues as to what exactly is the nature of the risk we face...and in what time-frame is the risk highest?
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