is modern Humans more like pigs than Primates?, page 1
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reply posted on 24-1-2010 @ 12:10 PM by keldas
reply to post by masonicon



Funny you should say tha - I remember reading a book years ago which was discussing one of the reasons Atlantis was destroyed. It was stated that the Atlanteans were involved in genetic engineering involving pigs and people.

Many organs from pigs can be transplanted into human beings. Also pigs I believe are the only other creature besides man who can get a sun tan. Also the book stated that the flesh of man tasted like that of a pig. Pigs are also believed to be intelligent.



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reply posted on 24-1-2010 @ 03:43 PM by davesidious
reply to post by Alxandro



No. Not even close. The bible was a survival manual for desert civilisations, and as such contained the message to not eat pork because of trichinosis.

The bible has taught us nothing. Science is the only method for learning. The bible contains exactly 0% actual knowledge.


reply posted on 24-1-2010 @ 05:41 PM by Alxandro
reply to post by davesidious



I'm sorry but you actually contradict yourself by claiming the Bible has taught us nothing.
You claim it was nothing more than a survival guide for semi-primitive man, yet it warms against eating something that wouldn't be discovered until 1845.
Perhaps we should allow a Jew or a Muslim to comment on why they don't eat pork.

Speaking of Jews and Muslims, the Bible also warns us that the two shall always be in conflct against each other.

How do you explain the extreme accuracy of the prediction that is an actual fact?


reply posted on 24-1-2010 @ 06:10 PM by mopusvindictus
reply to post by davesidious



I've always thought Prion disease was an even larger reason for various diets in the region...

I wouldn't at all be surprised if all pork led to some kinds of Prion disease we just haven't identified most but the wasting kids to date...


As for Pigs and Human similarities...

That Pig genes could have been used by Alien intervention to create us wouldn't be all that surprising... we like to think highly of ourselves but if there was manipulation, far from having crossed us with themselves... another race from a different world I'd say it is highly likely they used other creatures here...

(not saying that's what happened...just IF)


reply posted on 25-1-2010 @ 02:38 PM by davesidious
reply to post by Alxandro



Wow. You really don't get it. Just because we don't know what causes a disease, we can know where it comes from. Epidemiology was discovered before we even knew what germs were. Ask a Jew or Muslim - they'll say the same. To quote the wikipedia article:


It has been suggested that trichinosis may be one of several factors that led to religious prohibitions in Islam and Judaism against eating pork products, such as in the kashrut and dhabiĥa halal dietary laws. The medieval Jewish philosopher Maimonides advocated such a theory in The Guide for the Perplexed, as did medieval Islamic authorities.


Even if that pap is in the bible, as we've not travelled through time to judgement day, how do you know they will always be fighting? You don't know if that 'prediction' will come true.

Your 'logic' is strange to say the least.

reply to post by mopusvindictus



Yup, it could be. It could be any number of disease-related reasons, as eating pork in that climate, without refrigeration, and without sufficient irrigation and agriculture to rear quality animals, will significantly increase your risk of getting lots of different diseases and conditions. My point is there is just as much reason to suspect the 'law' is man made advice, as opposed to divine information. If it was information from God, why did he bother making desert pigs so prone to diseases we can get? That sounds like a bit of a dick move to me.

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reply posted on 24-6-2010 @ 04:54 AM by Astyanax
reply to post by davesidious


The bible was a survival manual for desert civilisations, and as such contained the message to not eat pork because of trichinosis.

Yes, this is the usual explanation given. I prefer a different one.

The sanction against pork-eating may have been introduced because, for the Mesopotamian ancestors of both the Hebrews and the Arabs, a point had been reached where either the pigs or some of the people had to go.

Pigs and human beings eat similar diets, you see. When food is plentiful, we feed them our leftovers and later consume those leftovers ourselves in the form of pork. But in environments where food resources are scarce, pigs and humans end up competing with each other for sustenance.

Pigs also eat a lot. That makes them expensive to raise. Despite this, the temptation to keep them is very strong, because pork is about the tastiest meat there is.

Combine tastiness with high cost and what do you get? A status symbol.

Richer people - tribal leaders, for example - would keep pigs if they were allowed to. They would delight in serving pork at feasts and tribal ceremonies to show off their wealth, status and munificence. But these displays of conspicuous consumption would be mounted at the expense of the tribe's poorer members, who would find it harder than ever to feed themselves with much of the available food being scoffed up by rich folks' pigs.

In an arid environment, poor people would probably starve to feed the tribal chiefs' pampered porkers. Obviously that shouldn't be allowed - but how do you stop the chiefs of a primitive tribe from doing whatever the hell they like?

Simple: you threaten them with the wrath of God.

This, I believe, explains the religious sanction against pork. Hunger, especially for a desert tribe, is a much more familiar - and loathed - companion than trichinosis.

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You may not agree with me, but the inhabitants of the Pacific island of Tikopia* certainly do. This Polynesian society, which controls its population and resource use in order to make life on its tiny island sustainable, killed off all its pigs about four hundred years ago, having realized that the beasts were using up resources that could be better utilized.

On many other Pacific islands where pigs were introduced by humans, environmental devastation has resulted. Hawaii's infamous feral pigs are a case in point.

I am indebted to Collapse, a book by the author and scientist Jared Diamond, for the information about Tikopia, which first set me thinking about this subject.


*Scroll down to the section entitled 'Lessons from Tikopia'. Also see Wikipedia

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reply posted on 24-6-2010 @ 08:15 AM by Ophiuchus 13
reply to post by masonicon


masonicon, Are you saying that previous or genetically older, humans are more related to different apes and monkeys and that the most recent version of humans are more related to pigs??? Im just trying to understand clearly friend...



reply posted on 24-2-2011 @ 07:53 PM by Kailassa
reply to post by cjansen



Apes and swine can't interbreed. There is, and always has been, too great a genetic difference.

Humans share 96% of their DNA with chimpanzees.

Humans evolution can be traces back, via fossil and genetic evidence, to a small lemur-type critter which the ape family evolved from. None of our ancestors had trotters.
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reply posted on 24-2-2011 @ 08:01 PM by connorromanow
reply to post by masonicon



while apparently pigs organs and sometimes bllod are extremly compatible(if you were desperate enough you could have transplants with them)
Also humans and pigs are the only animals that do not have this film on backs of thier eyes that reflect light which can create that glowing effect in pictures


reply posted on 25-2-2011 @ 01:12 PM by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by masonicon



Primates. Definitely. We are apes through and through. Hell, just check out your genome. It is incredibly similar to an ape, the only difference is we have this odd fused chromosome and some mutations here and there.


reply posted on 25-2-2011 @ 05:14 PM by uva3021
reply to post by masonicon



Many organs of mammalia are shared primitive traits, that is those traits humans and pigs shared with a common ancestor and have been canalized. If the other variants would have more contributed to the pigs reproductive fitness, then it would have different organs. Change is primarily a function of selection pressure. A sufficient organ will remain as is so bio-mechanical energy can be spent elsewhere. Therefore some parts are intercompatible and some are not. For example, most animals have two eyes, a primitive trait shared with a common ancestor of all animals with two eyes. and the"eyeless" gene is interchangeable from fruitfly to mice to human being. Doesn't mean we are any more related to a mouse than a chimpanzee because of the "eyeless" gene.


reply posted on 28-4-2012 @ 08:08 PM by ChrisEvans
reply to post by Alxandro



Sorry to go off topic, but this rather caught my eye:

"Speaking of Jews and Muslims, the Bible also warns us that the two shall always be in conflict against each other."

Alxandro, I don't suppose you could quote me the exact scripture that says this. Referencing the book, passage & verse it comes from so I can find it for myself. There is something that confuses me about it:

-The old testament was written between circa 1450 B.C & 300 B.C.
-The new testament was written between circa 40 A.D. & 95 A.D.
(source: www.allabouttruth.org...)

Muhammed the prophet of Islam was born in 570 A.D.
(source: en.wikipedia.org...)

So does the bible actually predict a religion that wouldn't exist for at least another 500 years or so after the bible was written? And that the followers of this future religion would forever after be in conflict with the Jews? That would be a miracle!




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