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posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 01:52 AM
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Originally posted by Totalstranger
good to see a fellow satanist trying to set people straight. kudos Lillydale. I have no patience for it since people dont want to listen as to what satanism really is. I'm all for inciting and baiting them these days.

oh well its late, of to drink some goats blood, commit sodomy and sacrifice a child..... tootles


Goats blood is so 90s. You need some llama stuff. That is the good stuff. Mathew Dark is probably more diligent and patient than I in trying to set people straight but since he is polite and factual, I think they just skip over that boring nonsense.

I think this thread is just fantastic. I love constant reminders that people will let Christians tell them what Satanism is about but I doubt they call their dentist for skin problems. Then they have this awesome idea that without Christianity, there would be no Satan. That shows absolutely no respect for history or words.

Oh well. Enough using your post to bash them some more.




posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 01:53 AM
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Originally posted by On the Edge
reply to post by Totalstranger
 


People can listen for themselves and decide what they want to take from it.

You're awful quick to distract from it and try to label it disingenuous.

That in itself should make people more inclined to make up their own minds.



Have you listened? Did you make up your mind? What did you decide? Would it help if you knew more about Art Bell and his history of disingenuous guests?



posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 02:09 AM
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I don't know much or really anything about Satanists, or the actual beliefs of the groups that do things suggested in the video. What strikes me though is that I do some of these things in my personal, esoteric practices.

Not the sacrificing or the blood drinking thing, lol. But I do utilize chants, symbols and focal points of energy. The thing about these rituals is that it depends solely on how they are used. Like how it is discussed in the video, there ARE "evil" entities, or demons, or what have you, but they're evil solely in the core of their nature; they thirst and need negative energy. And the same time, we, all of us, are beings just like them but stuck in a physical reality, reincarnation and amnesia specifically. Our spirits are stuck in a system being used by negative entities who use us as sheep. There are also positive spirits though. Discerning them is difficult at first but through a lot of meditation and understanding of your connection to existence, you can start to discern them.

Basically I use these rituals as ways to invite my own spiritual guide, to shoo away negative beings, and to bring forth positive beings. Positive energy is the key in escaping reincarnation.



posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 02:14 AM
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Originally posted by mr-lizard
As an atheist - i think most satanists are fools.

From my experience, satanist tend to be egotistical, self-centred, angst-ridden no gooders.

No offence but you're worshiping something created Christianity/ paganism/ budhism , hinduism...

Your reactionary acts fuel Christianity, you're quite simply the antithesis of the reflection you wish to be.

Idiots.


By calling them idiots and fools, your egotistically reinforcing your belief. It's called being hypocritical.

I've read the Satanic Bible. One of my best friends is a Satanist. And I know others. I understand and hold great respect in general for the Church of Satan. Live and let live, do what you want, leave everyone else alone and respect other's space.

(EXCEPT for the pointless adolescent kids looking for a random purpose, all circles of beliefs have these)

My stereotypical issue with atheists? They always have the driving self righteous need to argue to someone about their declared disbelief in religion, there by fueling religious self righteousness and reinforcing their faith by the fact they're being confronted by a non believer.

PLEASE stop thinking just because you think different that your better than anyone else.

In experience, there is far more heat between athiests and christians than there are satanists. Most satanists just simply don't care.



posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 03:06 AM
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Originally posted by jonnyc55
The video talks of children sacrifices being a very powerfull energy release when used in a ritual. Well as we all know on ATS, the goverment are very good at covering up their dirty work, which can explain children kidnaps being done in a very proffesional way, such that, that the missing children are never found. Knowing this leads me to think they exploit this potent energy to their needs, globally.

There is possibly a very evil energy and force which controlls our world.

[edit on 23-1-2010 by jonnyc55]


Thinking what I'm thinking, about Bohemian Grove and the Franklin Coverup?



posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 03:27 AM
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reply to post by Lillydale
 


lillywhite, I guess i am speaking of the "true" satanist's, not some watered down version. lol.



posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 03:32 AM
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Originally posted by sniknej
reply to post by Lillydale
 


lillywhite, I guess i am speaking of the "true" satanist's, not some watered down version. lol.


Oh ok. Enlighten me. What is a "true" satanist and who gets to decide? I think you are just looking for a Christian child murderer and not anything resembling the truth. Thanks for insisting on getting my name wrong. Insulting me just really goes to show the level of respect you deserve.



posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 03:51 AM
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sorry for the one liner, but
WOW
Satanism is lame though. too much about worshipping the devil, being evil and a waste of tiem and breath. however, Luciferianism is alot better. Makes alot more sense than most other religions(No offense to anyone here). More about treat others how they treat you and vengeance instead of turning the other cheek.


 
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posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 04:50 AM
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Originally posted by Lillydale

Originally posted by sniknej
The let me google that for you made me laugh!! That is really cool. Yes, these children that go missing never to be found again rings bells to satanic ritual sacrifice. Once all the other obvious reasons are taken into account. It is said that around the sacrificial ceremony dates (whatever those may be) that if you look in the papers for missing/purchased animals that are white in color increases. Also, the highest sacrifice to be given is your own virgin daughter at like 15-17 years of age. And, the satanist's in our communities are usually among the wealthy and well known. Judges, doctors, etc.. I have heard that they take a mobile crematorium to the sacrifice location to get rid of evidence.

[edit on 1/23/2010 by sniknej]



LOL!!!! This is funny stuff. Did you learn it all from a Christian by any chance? Which Satanism are you talking about? I belong to the church and animal sacrifice is a BIG NO NO. Which Satanism are you speaking of because I would love to learn more about it.



wakey wakeys...

'animal sacrifice is a big no no'. Well in the bible god asks abraham to kill his own son as a sacrifice to test his faith and only stops at the last minute. religion of judiasm required animal sacrifice to god. jesus was a jew. christianity retains the 'trappings' of an 'altar' and 'human sacrifice' - i.e. eating the body and blood of christ symbolically. jesus's death was a 'sacrifice'.

aztec and mesoamerican religions were replete wiht children and child sacrifice as offerings to the 'gods'. and blood offerings from animal or human sacrifice are central to most early religions. (greek, hittite, phonecian etc) now not being very pc it isnt done out in the open anymore.

satanism sounds just like the early mesoamerican and even phonecian type religions where they DID offer up human and child sacrifices to the 'gods'.

so of course its probably happening.

it is basically the old religion that underlies all modern religions that have now done away with the sacrifice component of the relgion.

im afraid.



posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 05:02 AM
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It's nice to see that the old dog and pony show are still in full effect. I wish to make no claim as an expert, but having my own forgone conclusions on religion or the lack of religiosity in itself, will assume there is a dark force that is manifested in this world. That force can be known as 'Satan', and therefore tapped into as a means of empowering oneself.
We live in a self actuated, co-creative reality with a dualistic, free will paradigm framework. As cliche' as it is to refference, the Matrix is a good place to see it. Once the rules are established and agreed upon, it's only a matter of what one chooses to accept as a possibility that limits them from living within the confines of "reality", or defining a suitable reality for themselves. In essence, becoming a god unto themselves. Or chosing a fiendish face to wearing amungst those still in the dark as to who the true masters are.
Taking responsibility for ones own life and revelling in all that it brings with it.
But then most people tell me Im crazy, so take what you need and leave the rest, I figure.



posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 05:26 AM
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I get it. I asked what kind of satanism requires child sacrifice and no one could offer anything up. A link was requested to the official church and then that was called lame. Every post just saying random things with no evidence or even basis in fact is yet somehow met with agreement and corroboration with more fact-less, baseless, evidence-less claims. No one here wants to discuss anything real, just what they think they know about stuff. I get it now. There should be a big "CLOSED MINDS AT WORK HERE" sign on the door.



posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 05:28 AM
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Originally posted by rapunzel222

wakey wakeys...

'animal sacrifice is a big no no'. Well in the bible god asks abraham to kill his own son as a sacrifice to test his faith and only stops at the last minute.


That is Christianity, not Satanism. Please go on to list more religions that are NOT Satanism for no good reason.


religion of judiasm required animal sacrifice to god. jesus was a jew. christianity retains the 'trappings' of an 'altar' and 'human sacrifice' - i.e. eating the body and blood of christ symbolically. jesus's death was a 'sacrifice'.

aztec and mesoamerican religions were replete wiht children and child sacrifice as offerings to the 'gods'. and blood offerings from animal or human sacrifice are central to most early religions. (greek, hittite, phonecian etc) now not being very pc it isnt done out in the open anymore.

satanism sounds just like the early mesoamerican and even phonecian type religions where they DID offer up human and child sacrifices to the 'gods'.

so of course its probably happening.

it is basically the old religion that underlies all modern religions that have now done away with the sacrifice component of the relgion.

im afraid.



Right, that makes sense. Catholics molest children, therefor all other religions must require that you molest children. Nice logic.



posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 05:53 AM
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Originally posted by OnceReturned
Yes, I agree that the FBI would know, and they don't think that satanic ritual abuse is a real issue - Icke just made that up.


Here is a video of Ted Gunderson, former head of the FBI, Los Angeles. It appears maybe Icke didn't make it up, maybe he stole the story from him?



[edit on 24/1/10 by NuclearPaul]



posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 06:35 AM
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I've read all the new posts up to now and have learnt alot
. The idea of humans being used as a physical box to hold our spirits, sounds scarley like reality, when you think about how horrible other people can be, the; depression , jealousy and really all the craziness in the world which has happened before like nazi Germany and to this day, Haiti earthquake.

Children and babies die all over the world, Why should a child have to be brought into this world then taken out quickly? Life surely is crap and unfair but when you look at the idea of human reincarnations it then doesn't matter who dies, because to these Malevolent spirits they can torment them in their next life. Malevolent spirits are known to be attracted to negative energy emotions such as depression, guilt, hatred and anger. People will go though life feeling at least one of these emotions.

If you watched that video it mentions how vibration frequencies seperate our reality to another, Malevolent spirits are not aware of us until we feel those negative energies. This is when they can see and feed of us.

The thought of our life's exsisting in a loop of being used as sheep is bloody awfull. However i read some guys post talking of meditation to help realise your exisistance so you can free yourself from reincarnation. Maybe chrisianity is just a form of meditation (hymns or bible reading) and it too can release us from reincarnation.

Before i get replies to this post please remember my post was just a theory for why our existance has to be an awfull one at times. We all will die and so will our families so lets ask questions and think up theories for what happens next.

"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning."- Albert Einstein

Life is complex for the complex - jonnyc55


[edit on 24-1-2010 by jonnyc55]



posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 07:05 AM
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I am quite confused here, we have some posters proclaiming to be "Satanists". Do not confuse this term with Wicca and or Paganism. These are not the same. From my understanding, Satanists do worship this realm, this reality. Immerse yourself into now, and become everything you want and will it to be. It's pretty much Crowley 101.

Of course we should expect a religious person to assume their religion is positive in its philosophy and nature.

I can't fathom the idea that Lillydale wakes up in the morning to think which neighborhood kid he/she is going to kidnap and sacrifice.

I may view their spiritual decisions as absurd, but they could easliy do the same for mine.

[edit on 24-1-2010 by sticky]



posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 07:37 AM
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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Firstly, a "Satanist" is someone who directly, and knowingly, worships the entity that is called Satan. To my knowldge, Tantriks, as you call them, do not do this.


Speaker, you and I have had some good talks but I have to take a moment and correct you on this statement.
Satanists do not actually worship an entity called Satan.
There is no external worship involved in Satanic rituals, unless it is the worship of the flesh, or a concept, and even then, you only invoke the internal power by calling the names of various pagan deities, but it is only to stimulate the endocrine system and various parts of the brain that respond to rituals. It's akin to an athlete psyching themself up for a big game.
Once again, there is no anthropomorphic devil character in Satanism. The imagery is merely used to illicit an emotional response.



posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 07:38 AM
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Originally posted by On the Edge
reply to post by Matthew Dark
 


Since you are such an "expert" on the matter,how about some links to Satanism that will let others read for themselves what it actually is?

You know how Christians are always going back to the Bible.

What does Satanism offer that is their equivalent? Surely there must be something?


Sure, you can get it right from the proverbial horse's mouth.
www.churchofsatan.com

And, just so you know, I don't consider myself an 'expert', I just happen to...oh...I don't know...take the time to read and research before condemning something I don't understand or am too lazy to go look up myself.

[edit on 1/24/10 by Matthew Dark]



posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 07:49 AM
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I am still on the fence, if ritual abuses are practiced on a large scale. David Icke points to the presence of other-dimensional entities. But there is also a more mundane aspect to ritual abuses. A recurring accusation from victims and researchers is, that massive trauma is used to induce multiple personality disorder in victims. This is a form of mind control. Crimes like paedophilia, murder or torture are often committed as part of rituals. Victims create alter egos to flee this terror. Later these alter egos are used by the perpetrators for personal gain. Victims are used for pornography, drug trafficking, assassinations and other purposes.

Closed or isolated societies like occult sects and cults are ideal for abhorrent mind control experiments. The outrageous nature of trauma induced mind control is something, which perpetrators cannot justify to the public. The very occult nature of cults, can provide the necessary secrecy. In the past intelligence operatives have used cults for mind control experimentations. Here is part V from the great video series evidence of revision. This part is about Jim Jones and the Jonestown massacre.

Evidence of revision V



Google Video Link


Unlike many closed obscure cults, the Church of Satan operates more in the open. But like one cannot equate catholicism with christianity as a whole, one cannot equate the Church of Satan with satanism as a whole.

LaVey may have developed an agnostic code of ethics, when he founded his Church of Satan, but probably not every member of his church is a strict follower of his code of ethics, nor is every practicing satanist a member of this church. Like catholic priests have committed vile crimes in the name of a religion which preaches love, crimes have been committed in the name of Satan. Most rituals may be harmless, but hundreds of cases of satanic ritual abuse have been reported. The majority of psychiatrists who have treated victims, believe that satanic ritual abuse (SRA) is a real phenomenon.


An Empirical Look at the Ritual Abuse Controversy Randy Noblitt, PhD

From the data of their first study, these investigators concluded that 31% of the combined sample of psychologists, psychiatrists and social workers had seen at least one case of ritual or religion-related abuse. There were 387 child ritual abuse cases, 674 adult ritual abuse survivor cases, 171 child religion-related cases, and 234 adult survivor of religion-related cases reported. The authors concluded that the adult ritual abuse cases “were consistently the most extreme” (p. 4). Of the adult ritual abuse cases 33% reported cannibalism and 28% baby breeding for purposes of ritual sacrifice. Among the adult ritual abuse cases, they found that the victims were likely to be diagnosed with MPD. They also found that child cases were “far more likely to be disclosed to authorities or professionals, to family members or neighbors and to be linked to corroborative evidence, but were less likely to be disclosed in therapy than adult cases” (p. 4). The authors concluded that the psychologists, psychiatrists, and social workers who responded to their survey “overwhelmingly believed both the allegations of abuse and the allegations of ritual or religious elements of the abuse” (p. 6).

ritualabuse.us...

Some people lie, some people suffer from delusions. But the believe, that therapists have created an ritual abuse industry and all victims are either imposters or delusional, overlooks the fact, that people have been indited for cannibalism, murder and paedophilia in connection with satanic rituals. Not every accusation is just a witch hunt.

Court cases, which document that criminal acts have been committed as part of satanic rituals.
www.whale.to...

News articles about elite pedophile rings:
aftermathnews.wordpress.com...

It doesn't help, that the False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF), which has done much “debunking” is headed my many people who are either accused of paedophilia or have worked as intelligence operatives in mind control programs. Would you believe Mafiosi, who investigate organized crime?

Compromised members of FMSF:
www.isgp.eu...

Perhaps it is not the FBI as an organisation, but the former Senior Special Agent-in-Charge of the Los Angeles division, Ted Gunderson is convinced that satanic ritual abuse is widespread and is usually covered by the the CIA and other organizations.

Satanism and the CIA: International Trafficking in Children



Google Video Link

video.google.com...#



posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 09:14 AM
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Originally posted by mr-lizard
As an atheist - i think most satanists are fools.

From my experience, satanist tend to be egotistical, self-centred, angst-ridden no gooders.

No offence but you're worshiping something created Christianity/ paganism/ budhism , hinduism...

Your reactionary acts fuel Christianity, you're quite simply the antithesis of the reflection you wish to be.

Idiots.


And you absolutely have every right to your opinion.
No matter how wrong it happens to be...


[note: edited because my hands aren't working properly today]

[edit on 1/24/10 by Matthew Dark]



posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by skeetontheconspiracy
sorry for the one liner, but
WOW
Satanism is lame though. too much about worshipping the devil, being evil and a waste of tiem and breath. however, Luciferianism is alot better. Makes alot more sense than most other religions(No offense to anyone here). More about treat others how they treat you and vengeance instead of turning the other cheek.


Okay, first, so not a one-liner.
Second, 'Luciferianism' is a buzz word for pseudo-intellectual elitism, and it stresses education, which, based on your post, you seem to be lacking.
Again, Satanism has...*sigh*...
Nothing to do with worshiping a 'devil', or any other external deity.
That's just what you see in movies.
Do any of you actually read any of this stuff, or do you just wait for your chance to reply?





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