Call For Immediate Arrest Of 5 Supreme Court Justices For Treason

reply to post by carslake


Who is "us"? A corporation can only work to the advantage of the investor if it is considered a "person" under law. That is the difference between a corporation and a partnership. If your stance is to outlaw corporations, then I understand your position clearly. If you don't want to destroy corporations, but you want them made "non-persons" under the law, you need Economics 101 at your local community college.

If you will,try envisioning the US - or any economy, without an incorporating tool protecting the investor. It would look like Europe around 1350.

By the way, for those who don't know Latin, incorporation means "making into a person".

I learned that a "corporation" is a "person" back in like fifth grade and I still remember the teacher saying that.

reply to post by Office 4256


Erhm.. I think you need to do a course called Sarcasm 101(the lowest form of wit) try the local Comedy Shack.

reply to post by die_another_day


Ok lets understand the difference in the generic and the contemporary meaning of words. If I went around saying I was corporation they'd Section 5 me

Then again.... this works if I'm a corporation that means I could be liable for tax relief, and live in any country I want and still vote.

confusion rains all over me.

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Originally posted by carslake
reply to post by Office 4256

 

Erhm.. I think you need to do a course called Sarcasm 101(the lowest form of wit) try the local Comedy Shack.

reply to post by die_another_day

 

Ok lets understand the difference in the generic and the contemporary meaning of words. If I went around saying I was corporation they'd Section 5 me

Then again.... this works if I'm a corporation that means I could be liable for tax relief, and live in any country I want and still vote.




confusion rains

all over me.

[edit on 24/1/10 by carslake]

I'll go to comedy school if you agree to go to law school, Ace. According to the Constitution, as interpreted by the Supreme Court, corporations are persons. Don't like it? Change the constitution. Many people think corporations have too much power in our society, myself included. Many people also think that if "corporations = persons" is immoral, we should ignore the Constitution. These people are WAY MORE dangerous than the corporations. Repair the ignorance first, then the Constitution.

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No! Joker I'm not going anywhere near the law school it'll end in a bloodbath, lets both go to the comedy shack it'll be fun plus we can get drink there, unless your a lawyer that is then we should go to the morgue.

And stop being pedantic I dont want to be corporation and if a corporation wants to be a person then their liable for the death penalty. My god I'd give Haliburton a hiding from hell it would be worth doing the time for.

So...

Does this mean that the whole corporation can be sent to prison for tax evasion, fraud, theft, embezzlement, polluting waterways and land, in fact everything the do now and get away with?

If they are now legally classified as a 'person', then it follows that if that 'person' commits a crime punishable in normal life by a term in prison, then the WHOLE corporation, being a single person, should go to prison!

If i committed a prison worthy crime, all of me has to be in prison, not just my mind/brain, but my whole body too..the same should be true of these new 'people' then shouldn't it?

Watch the gits like hawks from now on, they commit any prison worthy crime, we all demand the whole corporation (inc. Shareholders, since they are part of the 'person' too), be tried and put away.

This could be a little loophole they have missed, or hoped we would, that can be used against them!

Payback is a you know what.

Originally posted by MMPI2
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

 

Exactly. McCain/Feingold told millions of American Citizens that they would not be allowed to spend money to have their voices heard. It was a statist law that was appropriately struck down. A corporation is a collection of people engaged in a cooperative endeavor. Nothing more.

You guys that are calling for the SCOTUS to be executed and whining about this need to go read a freshman's civics book.

I'm sorry I am a little confused. Are you under the impression I am one calling for SCOTUS to be executed?

Originally posted by die_another_day
I learned that a "corporation" is a "person" back in like fifth grade and I still remember the teacher saying that.

What you "learned" was a mistake of fact and a misinterpretation of law and flat out propaganda. Perhaps someday you will actually take the time to read the Santa Clara County ruling for yourself, or perhaps you'll keep on going through life assuming your fifth grade teacher served you well.

[edit on 24-1-2010 by Jean Paul Zodeaux]

No it was me calling for them to be executed publicly, I was also going to call for their children to be sterilized aswell but thats getting biblical on their ass.

A step too far. Although I'm vacillating on that one.



Sinve when has being drunk stop you from spelling


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Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by neo5842

 

5 times in that video they declare that America is a democracy. 5 times!!

This isn't ancient Athens, is it? This makes me sick.
The supreme court screwed up. This is not good for AMerica or the people but it won't hurt our "democracy" because we're a Republic!!!
Do you seriously think the corporations can actually get MORE power than they have already? The people have no voice as it is, I don;t see where this changes anything. It's more like a rubber stamp ok'ing everything we've already done.
Foreign powers can't run our government because of this ruling, you still have to be an American citizen to hold office.
In practical terms I don't think this will actually change much at all.

"Constitutional Republic" dont forget thet Constitution part. It Literally Declares that our relationship with the Government is on PURELY a Contractual Basis, which when broken, gives the People The Right To Abolish the Government. That is why Polititians dont bring it up too often. Even Scott Brown, who recently won Senate seat in Mass. never once mentiond the Constitution during Campaign, short as it was, not once.
Therefore I see he is not My Man. People are being steered toward revolution in this Country when what is needed more than anything is a Restoration of The Constitution of The United States of America. I dont care if you disagree and you have every right to disagree and in fact, I am willing to die for YOUR RIGHT as well because they are one in the same. Let Freedom Ring!

Every body keeps saying a corporation is a person. A corporation is a "Separate Legal Entity" not a person or citizen. An entity is something that has a distinct, separate existence, though it need not be a material existence. In particular, abstractions and legal fictions are usually regarded as entities. In general, there is also no presumption that an entity is animate. So how does that equal a person? Maybe a ghost but not a person and ghost have no rights to vote or donate. If some one votes or donates with a deceased persons name it is callled fraud.

Originally posted by JBA2848
Every body keeps saying a corporation is a person. A corporation is a "Separate Legal Entity" not a person or citizen. An entity is something that has a distinct, separate existence, though it need not be a material existence. In particular, abstractions and legal fictions are usually regarded as entities. In general, there is also no presumption that an entity is animate. So how does that equal a person? Maybe a ghost but not a person and ghost have no rights to vote or donate. If some one votes or donates with a deceased persons name it is callled fraud.

It seems to me that it is those who are in sharp disagreement with the SCOTUS ruling who are the ones who keep insisting that this ruling declared corporations the same as a person. You are correct that corporations do not qualify as a person, but this is not what was ruled by the Supreme Court. What was ruled was that Congress has been expressly forbidden from making any laws that abridge speech. They used as their authority on the matter the 1st Amendment which makes no distinctions as to who or what has the right to speech, it simply prohibits Congress from making any laws that would in effect "chill' speech.

I am completely against this decision, I do not think that they can be arrested however.

Well I guess the freedom of speach and the freedom of expression need to be more defined in law as the freedom of speach would consist of one individual person speaking and freedom of expression would consist of multimedia formats used by corporations. If the multimedia format is not protected under the word "press" that is.

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Originally posted by JBA2848
Well I guess the freedom of speach and the freedom of expression need to be more defined in law as the freedom of speach would consist of one individual person speaking and freedom of expression would consist of multimedia formats used by corporations. If the multimedia format is not protected under the word "press" that is.

I think that now your thinking in a constructive way that might work. Congress can and should attempt to pass an Amendment that would define more precisely what a corporation is, distinguish between domestic and foreign corporations and attempt to place some form of regulation on what foreign corporations can do close to elections cycles in terms of speech.

It is important when attempting to pass such an Amendment that Congress is mindful to the restrictions that have been undeniably placed upon them, but smart legislation can accomplish the goal of preventing foreign corporations from influencing the political process while remaining wholly harmonious with the Constitution.

Originally posted by wiredamerican

and is it really treason committed by these judges, and can they really get put away for what i see as being a crime?

This is not treason. They are heroes.
Why?
Because they just stripped election funding from government control.
They gave more power to Corporations and Unions.
Corporations and Unions are made out of people.

This is more power to the people. And that is a good thing.

I find it confusing that people would rather have government control on election funding. I say let the people, fund it. And it is the people who make up the corporations and unions.

This is one step ahead toward a more perfect Union.

What a logic.. can you find any form of entity, institution or organization in this world that's made by other beings than "people"??? Go and get me one that's made out of gray aliens, droids, or monkeys... go ahead! I wanna see one!

(sighs)

Corporations are NOT made from the People. They are faceless, lifeless conceptual entities (in the legal jargon they call them "moral person") that serves shareholders as both a legal-political cover for undergoing just about any kind of financial or political activity and a clever way to funnel money through land property and exploitation, wage slavery of workers and just any other kind of activity, no matter how destructive of beneficial it can be. Corporations have NO accountability, and none of their administrators or members can be held responsible for its actions. This as nothing to do with individual, family or collective enterprise, where its members take full responsibility for what the business does since there is no legal third entity calling the shots and protecting them.

reply to post by Echtelion


You seem to contradict your first assertion with your subsequent argument. You ask if any form of entity, institution or organization can be found to be made by other beings other than "people", yet you then turn around and argue that corporations are not made from the people. It is a contradiction that only reveals your own deficiency of logic.

Corporations are made from the People, and those corporations who have received a charter by a State within the Union of The United States are most assuredly corporations made from the people. If the preamble is to have any meaning at all, and indeed virtually all State Constitutions tend to echo the same sentiment, that the governments established have been established and ordained by the people.

Thus, when any State grants a charter for a corporation that grant of existence has been ordained by the people. Conversely, it is the people who can use their own inherent political power to petition for a revocation of corporate charter. Because any person can make such a petition, those who hold the charter of incorporation are entitled to a defense and may also petition the State to keep that charter in place. If the corporate officers or members of the board established by charter can do this, they certainly can and do exercise the right to speak.

That any person can petition for a revocation of corporate charter also serves as evidence that corporations are most certainly liable for accountability. It is also not true to say that none of the administrators of a corporation can be held accountable and the evidence of that is demonstrable by the conviction of Jeffrey Skilling who currently resides in a federal penitentiary because he was held accountable for the actions of Enron. Both John and his son Timothy Rigas are currently residing in prison for the fraud committed by Adelphia, yet another corporation.

There are checks and balances, and the buck doesn't STOP with the SC.

It seems to me the first thing is definitions. A corporations is NOT a person, and needs to be defined that way.

As for this being a partisan fight, it does seem that way to me from listening to various news outlets. The conservative republicans just LOVE this, and the liberals all hate it. I think the republicans won't like it so much when George Soros gets done with them....he said he'd spend his last dime to see America more socialist.

Anyway, we can work to change the definitions of what a corporation IS. It sounds like it is needed if someone is stupid enough out there to think it is a person. That's common sense? Or are we so money blinded we don't even recognize OUR OWN KIND anymore?

Also, maybe we'd do better if there were REALLY strict limits. Like say there's 3 people running for an office. You each have 1 million dollars each - let's see what you do with it.

We might make better decisions and we might end up with a president like Howard Dean or Ron Paul that mended their old suits and stayed with friends instead of the most posh hotel rooms on the campaign trail. In other words, we might elect someone with some REAL money management skills. Might come in handy budget time..

reply to post by lpowell0627

Very good! lpowell, you must have an education. The poor communist-totalitarian isn't just wired, they are completely brainwashed if they believe that the supreme court is going to do anything for the American People. The supreme court is appointed to remove the Bill Of Rights, the freedoms, and opportunities of the American People. The Church State, Police State, Welfare State, is all about the destruction of the individual. The tactic (age old) is divide and conquer, imprison, and torture. Think of the "citizens" who went along with the Stalinists or Nazis! When you decide that you are no longer an individual, you have decided that you are no longer an American! You have become sheep, or cattle, being lead to the slaughter. The government, the corporations, and the unions, have been shipping our jobs, and our future overseas for 50 yrs. Our present economic problems are the result. ergonomic531