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reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 06:28 PM by calstorm
reply to post by Illusionsaregrander





Sheesh. I cant believe people would defend her for doing something so horribly cruel to her own child. Let alone the poor hamster.

I don't think people are defending her. What she did was awful but even the best parents make mistakes. Still the child will suffer less mental harm than if they take him from his mother. That is far more traumatic and should only be reserved fo the worst cases of child abuse. Everything possible should be done to help the child stay in his home. Counseling, anger management and parenting classes should be more than sufficient while the child id STILL AT HOME.


reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 06:46 PM by Illusionsaregrander
Originally posted by calstorm
What she did was awful but even the best parents make mistakes.


I personally feel she should not have custody of her children until AFTER she passes a psych eval. Perhaps a non-crazy family member could step in until then.

Forcing your child to kill a beloved pet as punishment is not a mistake. It is cruel and unusual punishment. It is psychological and emotional abuse, and if she would cross that line, there is no telling what else she does to the child or children.

en.wikipedia.org...

The U.S. Department of Justice defines emotionally abusive traits as including causing fear by intimidation, threatening physical harm to self, partner, children, or partner's family or friends, destruction of pets and property, forcing isolation from family, friends, or school or work.[2]


The cops did what they should have done, and what they should do more often. I cant tell you how many times I have read thread where the kindness and compassion of women has been proclaimed, but the fact of the matter is, women are particularly skilled at emotional and psychological abuse, and it should be recognized for what it is, and condemned just as harshly as the physical varieties.


reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 06:49 PM by calstorm
reply to post by Illusionsaregrander



I too, had a very mental abusive mother. My mother was certifiably insane from years of drug use on top of being down right crazy, but better that than to have suffered in today's foster care system. AKA any thing after 1997. The average foster child is on 11 psychotropic drugs
Fostercare prescriptions--Finally Alarm

Drugs missused in foster kids
Foster parents put focus on chemical restraints


reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 06:57 PM by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by calstorm



Like I said, I grew up in foster care too. I know it is imperfect, and it needs reform badly.

If the best interests of children were the concern, there would be some screening, licensing, and training done BEFORE people were allowed to go make babies. Thats what I would prefer, so that children arent even born into homes with incompetent parents. But, parents rights always take precedence over child welfare, and God knows that would have everyone screaming about their rights, while the status quo has children bring beaten, neglected, bounced around, and psychologically tortured.

I know, let the flames begin. God forbid you should have to be qualified to raise a human being.

Edit to add;

My brother, who didnt get removed from our home, killed himself. I am fine. Although every situation is different, I think it is absolutely wrong not to pull children from the home when there is psychological abuse going on.

I also had a foster brother kill himself at 12 shortly after being RETURNED to his own parents, because he couldnt take it anymore.

Maybe your own mother wasnt as bad as some, because I know many people who were better off in the hell of foster care than at home.

[edit on 22-1-2010 by Illusionsaregrander]


reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 06:59 PM by December_Rain
reply to post by YourPopRock



Look you can try your baiting (about anti-semitic..obsession with Jews etc.) I don't care about that, but you are mistaken if you think I will bite it. It is obvious you are trying to derail the thread with your ravings.


reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 07:08 PM by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by masqua



news.bostonherald.com...=home&position=recent

The 38-year-old mother, Lynn Middlebrooks Geter, faces charges of animal cruelty, child cruelty and battery. She remained in a jail early Friday and it was not immediately known if she had a lawyer.


Child abuse and psychological cruelty IS the topic. Or should we be focusing on hamster abuse?


reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 07:28 PM by calstorm
reply to post by Illusionsaregrander



First of all, you have no clue what it was like with my mother. The day she died brought no sorrow but relief.
That said, I am talking about what foster care is like today. in the last 10-15 years it has become a place f far worse abuses than most children ever experience at home. A place were sexual abuse is the norm. No child ever deserves to be abused in any way shape or form. Unfortunately right now as it stands a child not being removed is the lesser of the two evils. As far as parents rights go, parents have no rights. It is guilty until proven innocent. The majority of children in foster care are there because their parents made them eat their veggies or made them clean their room. really stupid stuff. but thanks to title IV it is profitable to remove children for no substantiated reason, so we have an over crowded foster care system where social workers are rewarded for lying and not doing their job.
As far as we know this child has yet to be molested but the chances of him escaping that in foster care are very slim. Statistics prove that the majority of molestation cases happen in foster care. Unfortunately in the news the omit the words foster or adoptive and just put parent in.


reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 07:45 PM by EMPIRE
reply to post by December_Rain



It doesn't matter if the animal and human have "bond", bond does not make it right or wrong to kill animals. If one kills defenseless animals (which pose no threat to them, or for survival) they out to be eradicated. You trying to justify it's ok to kill animals if there is no bond is disgusting.


You’re speaking from pure ignorance. I have no problem with killing an animal out of necessity. I do, however, have a problem with killing animals for sport, for $20,000 furs, malice etc. With that being said, you need to look at what I was replying to and pay attention to the word HALAL as your knowledge of what I was replying to is lacking. However, I am compassionate, do not want you to remain in ignorance and do not take your personal attacks seriously. So here is something to get you started.

en.wikipedia.org...

And that was for you by the way.


See above, and do yourself a favor and read and comprehend what is being said before you reply again.


[edit on 22-1-2010 by EMPIRE]


reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 07:53 PM by EMPIRE
reply to post by harvib



There is a difference between teaching your child to live off the land (something my father taught me) as opposed to having your child kill his/her pet because they failed classes in school.

Big difference.


reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 08:00 PM by EMPIRE
reply to post by anotherdad



How much worse though is it than the parent who has no invlement or to much involement in anything/everything and speaks horribly to the child?


It's all bad because it's all neglect. But in this case, as I've stated before, it actually shows the type of love the mother has for her child. No matter what, there is going to be damage to the child, it doesn't matter if he stays with her, or is placed in the care of others, he now has to undergo a change/transition that children shouldn't have to experience.

Let me put this way, if i could have gotten out of the Sh#t i had to deal with by killing a hamster, my only response would have been "can i just flush afterwords or do i need to bury it"


What exactly did you have to deal with? Unless this child had a learning disability, the bad grades should be linked not only to his study habits, activities after school, etc but also his mother.


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