Originally posted by theyreadmymind

Originally posted by suicydking

Originally posted by anotherdad
reply to post by ZombieJesus

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Agree but my point is why were the police involved and the de escallation of what is a crime. Your point is more than valid and as of right now amy example is not comparable, but if tptb are involved in this! where does it stop? That's my concern.

The police are involved because she broke the law. It's their job to get involved when people break the law. Forcing a child to brutally kill a beloved pet as punishment is child abuse, as well as animal cruelty.

As long as you are using the Slippery Slope logical fallacy to prove your argument, let's turn it around. What if the mother was not arrested for committing child abuse? Where does it stop? Soon, people will be able to abuse their kids all willy-nilly, with the police powerless to stop them!

Seriously. If you think that forcing a kid to eat vegetables is the same as forcing a kid to kill an animal with a hammer, why don't you just start making your kids brutally kill small animals as punishment for not eating broccoli? I bet it would be the end of two hour dinner sessions, one way or another.

You may as well argue that the police's ability to write traffic tickets will mean that it will be illegal to drive soon. This woman is a criminal, and all parties that got involved seem to have done their job properly. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a history of mental abuse in that house, and an investigation should be done to see what kind of help the kid needs.

I wonder why it's not considered "animal abuse" to torture animals in slaughter houses. Have you ever seen how they treat those animals? That's abuse! I notice how you used "broccoli" and "vegetables" as examples. But would it be child abuse if a mother forced her son or daughter to eat "steak" against their will, if say, the child wanted to be vegan at an earlier age? Or does it have to be a beloved pet? What if they lived on a farm? Would it be child abuse if the mother forced the child to slaughter his own cow for meat? What if it was with a hammer? At what point does it become animal abuse or child abuse? What if the child loved "all animals"? Would that fall under child abuse if they had to eat an animal they loved? I don't know exactly where I'm going with this. I have more questions than I do anwers.

Originally posted by suicydking

Originally posted by theyreadmymind

Originally posted by suicydking

Originally posted by anotherdad
reply to post by ZombieJesus

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I used broccoli & vegetables because anotherdad claimed that keeping his kids at the table until they finish the veggies was pretty much the same as what this mother did.

As for the other questions, well, that's a tough one. There are no black & white answers to most moral questions.

Here's a tip though, if what you are doing is illegal, and you are doing it with the specific intent to mentally traumatize your child(as punishment in this case), then that's abuse.

1. It wasn't veggies, that was implied. It was rice and ? but eat what you take.
2. If there are no black and white answers then maybe you would suggest tptb create them?
3. What this lady did was horrible but do you know her? if not how do you know her intents were to "mentally traumatize" the child. She may very well be a great person who made a horrible decision.

Originally posted by December_Rain
reply to post by UMayBRite!

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Good I was hoping she be snuffed out in a similar manner but if she suffer her entire life that's good enough for me.

Secondly, I am a non-veg myself but I know the difference between torture and killing for need.

Last message to ATS on this thread from fellow species

Originally posted by December_Rain
reply to post by YourPopRock

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I would have taken the initiative if I had a way to eradicate entire human species. As long as I live I still have hope of finding that way and in the mean time I can perhaps repay those torturers the same way.

Originally posted by December_Rain
reply to post by YourPopRock

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I am confused how the Jews discussion came in this topic? Seems you are quiet obsessed with Jews whoever they are but try not to go off topic okay. Anyway, it may sound twisted to you but it doesn't mean it is not correct. You see when I talk about eradication of human virus I don't mean a nuclear war (since it will destroy the environment) but something that only humans gets eradicated and no effect to nature or animals.