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Topic started on 22-1-2010 @ 06:51 AM by masqua

Biblical citations found on Forces’ gunsights

Militaries around the world, including Canada’s, were caught off guard by the news that U.S. manufacturer Trijicon had put Biblical citations on many gunsights in use by forces in Afghanistan and Iraq.

One type of Trijicon gun-sight has raised markings saying simply JN8:12. That is a reference to the Book of John, Chapter 8, verse 12.

According to the King James version of the Bible, that citation reads: “Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, ‘I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life’.”

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There are more than 300,000 Trijicon sights in use by U.S. forces.

www.ottawacitizen.com...

I just don't get this. Why, oh why, does this company consider Orwellian double-speak to be fine for troops?

'War is peace, love is hate' seems to be the message here.

Jesus says it's OK, pull the trigger.

Am I wrong in this?

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reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 07:02 AM by randyvs

reply to post by masqua

If you think Jesus would ever say or condone such a thing yes you are
way wrong. I don't believe that is the case here.

'War is peace, love is hate' seems to be the message here

Believe it or not, I just said something about what is going on here on a thread by chaos. To the fact that right now we are seeing more and more of this
upside down, white is black day is really night type philosophies arise.
I see this as Satans attempt to turn everything upside down. Yes
this is another prophecy of the last days. Heaven is really hell is
what they will soon be getting at, you mark my words, this is where that is going k?

Excuse me, what I should have said was mark Gods word.

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reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 07:15 AM by masqua

Originally posted by randyvs
If you think Jesus would ever say or condone such a thing yes you are
way wrong. I don't believe that is the case here.

You miss my point. It is exactly that I don't think Jesus would approve of this which is what I'm saying.

Too 'crusadish' for my taste.

reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 07:19 AM by randyvs

reply to post by masqua

You miss my point

I said I don't believe that is the case here. I don't believe I missed your
point. where who what why which?
I chose to elaborate on another part of what you were saying that's
why the confusion?
I

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reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 07:22 AM by masqua

Originally posted by randyvs
If you think Jesus would ever say or condone such a thing yes you are
way wrong. I don't believe that is the case here.

Let's be clear.

NO! I don't think Jesus would condone this.

So, how am I 'way wrong'?

reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 07:26 AM by randyvs

reply to post by masqua

K. Masqua surely you can see I never said you were way wrong. Now
read it the way I meant it.
See the first word there?
Don't they say if is a mighty big word?

I don't think you are wrong at all now.
I started my sentence that way "in case" so I could then go against you
as now you can see, I'm not at all.

Are we clear?

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reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 07:26 AM by The_Archangel

It is this form of corrupted Christian theology that allows the non-believers to throw around the statement that 'religions are the root of all evil in the world'. True Christianity does not hold with this type of action and is heretical in the same way that the Crusades were.

Religious fighters have used this for centuries. Muslim fighter strap pages of the Koran to their AK-47s and this is the mirror image.

My final thought is: Do NOT use Christian faith as a tool in war!!! It is heresy and wrong.

reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 07:36 AM by wiser3

reply to post by masqua

Could it be a form of not so "subliminal" messaging or conditioning? When the guys see messages like that it makes them feel better about doing what they have been "sent" to do?
I am not saying that being in Iraq or Afghanistan is right or wrong, that is a complete different thread, but you could have guys who don't feel great about where they are and what they have done and this somehow subconsciously makes it easier for them to carry on.

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edited for spelling

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reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 07:37 AM by masqua

Originally posted by The_Archangel
My final thought is: Do NOT use Christian faith as a tool in war!!! It is heresy and wrong.

Exactly. Thank you for that.

reply to post by randyvs

I concede the 'If' led me into a state of confusion. Peace.

reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 07:42 AM by Dock9

I read somewhere that the founder of the company which makes the equipment was a believer

Maybe he was attempting to in some way lessen his own feelings of guilt about producing arms, by placing these markings on his product ?

Or maybe he was hoping soldiers would be reminded of God, Christ, Eternity, etc. before pulling the trigger ?

reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 07:42 AM by masqua

Originally posted by wiser3
Could it be a form of not so "subliminal" messaging or conditioning? When the guys see messages like that it makes them feel better about doing what they have been "sent" to do?

The reasons for being at war should be clear in the hearts and minds of soldiers, not advertized through their gunsights, imo. How would a muslim fighting on the side of American, Canadian or European armies feel about what is in their scopes?

reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 07:44 AM by masqua

Originally posted by Dock9
Or maybe he was hoping soldiers would be reminded of God, Christ, Eternity, etc. before pulling the trigger ?

You mean like 'loving your enemies' and 'turning the other cheek'?

reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 07:46 AM by randyvs

reply to post by wiser3

Could it be a form of not so "subliminal" messaging or conditioning? When the guys see messages like that it makes them feel better about doing what they have been "sent" to do?

To respond to your point,this is the bomb.

reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 07:49 AM by blupblup

reply to post by masqua

Perhaps it's to remind troops that it is a "holy war" of sorts.

Christians have been "At war" with Muslims for a long, long time.
Perhaps it's a subtle (or not so subtle) way of making them think that what they are doing is right and good.

Who knows... it is very odd.

What about the non-religious soldiers, do they really want to see Biblical quotes?

Or perhaps the soldiers of other faiths?

Oh well.... now I've read the thread (i know, usually helps) i see that most these points i raise, have been mentioned by others.. apart from the holy war one.

Never mind.

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reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 07:49 AM by digby888

maybe he the company was thinking this would put god on there side but its strange its from the new testament because thats a very old testiment view

reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 07:49 AM by wiser3

reply to post by masqua

I agree, but I must add that having served in the military and having been involved in the war here in Namibia as an 18 year old I often couldn't help but think how I would feel if I was in the position of having to shoot someone else, I was never in that situation even though I did my time in war zone. I didn't agree with the war but we had to serve a compulsory 2 year national service, which I did, and I would have shot if I had had to but I know it would still be haunting me today!
It was just a thought!

reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 07:52 AM by masqua

Originally posted by blupblup
Perhaps it's to remind troops that it is a "holy war" of sorts.

[imo]
It's a hoily war.
[/imo]

Pretending it's about religion is just 'convenient'.

reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 07:53 AM by Dock9

reply to post by masqua

No. I don't mean that. I don't believe it would apply in the case of a man who'd chosen or been forced to don a military uniform and carry arms

What I was suggesting was along the lines of, 'Don't shoot for fun. This is not a game. Fire only if there's no other choice ...' (which might cause the soldier to consider his choices, to hold fire unless it were absolutely necessary, etc., to be a 'soldier of principle' )

reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 07:56 AM by randyvs

reply to post by Dock9

I read somewhere that the founder of the company which makes the equipment was a believer

IF this is true, it certainly is a different can of worms.

Good post.

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reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 07:59 AM by masqua

reply to post by Dock9

Isn't that what's drilled into us from the first days of training? Yes, I've been in the military.

I would not like to see that in my scope no more than seeing it inscribed on arty shells. Myself, and others in the military of many other countries, may not be of the same faith. Such inscriptions would be acceptable only to those who firmly believe in the Christian faith.

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