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posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 03:26 AM
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on the "shape-shifting reptilian" question

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what causes shape-shifting?
who shape-shifts reptilian, and why?
are there other species of shape-shifters?
the reptilian morphology and world-view:
why do the reptilians covet gold?

what causes shape-shifting?

Shape-shifting is caused by the cellular structures of a person's body breaking down their usual forms as the "junk" codons inside their molecular strands of DNA become active, and the re-assembling into forms dictated by the specific codons that were activated. This can be accomplished at will or on accident, and can occur temporarily or constantly.

Shape-shifts occur perpetually on a cellular-level once the "junk" DNA has begun to become active. However, for those who do (accidentally), or who can (at will), shape-shift, the visual appearance of this disability usually ends very quickly. In short, for those in whom it can be seen, as well as for many in whom it cannot be seen, RNA mutation-recoding is always occuring; however for those who can show this process on their exterior epidermis, their ability to do so only lasts a short while.

The number-one cause of the perpetual mutation breakdown of a person's genetic structures is exposrue to time-travel technology, particularly to machines that act as particle-accelerators speeding space up faster than the speed of light through fiber-optics. The most common example of this type is the "ring array" used in CERN's hardon collider, and in most "flying disc" shaped inter-stellar crafts. If a person passes through this "ring array," they manifest the mutation of genetic-breakdown into spontaneous mutated forms.

who shape-shifts reptilian, and why?

The people who we most often see manifesting the shape-shifting disability are, now, the only people on earth who have been directly exposed to such time-travel technologies, ie. the economic and political elite who have seen the wrecked, extra-terrestrial "flying-discs" impounded by their national militaries. For the most part, the people who have worked longest with these wrecked craft have become so mutated by their exposure to them, they are not even allowed in public, let alone to act as a representative figure.

Among those who manifest the specifically reptilian trait in their shape-shifting disability are the highest-ranking figures of the Bilderberg Group, the Bohemian Grove club, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, etc. These represent the heads of state, finances, military, industry and media of many different nations, all alinged for the sole purpose of attaining their own decided goals. In short, these groups now represent the people attempting to establish a single, global government.

It is no mere fortunate coincidence these "world leaders" are all reptilian shape-shifters. Those among them who have been exposed to the wrecked "ring array" flying-discs suffer from cellular destabilisation, ie. shape-shifting. However there are more then merely the ones who manifest the shape-shifting symptom that belong to this group, but they are no less "reptilian" than the others who wear their heritage on their faces.

The group of the rich and politically powerful comprise the faction of this group that can shape-shift, but the remainder of their loyal devotees are just as cold-blooded fear-mongering vampiric scavengers as their chosen public figures. The vast majority of the reptilians do not shape-shift, and appear human at all times.

The only way to distinguish these blue-blooded homo-saurians is by their philosophical belief system. If they desire to rule the world, if they admire those they believe do so, and if they believe the world will end unless these same people ever lose power, and if they believe the end of the world is an imminant result of human stupidity, they are reptilians.

(cont.)




posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 03:27 AM
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Most reptilians have adopted the concept of the "second-coming of Jesus" from the religion of Christianity as a means of harvesting fear from those around them about the immediate threat of the world ending. Thus, many people who believe in the "second-coming of Jesus" are attempting to exploit the religion based around the figure of Jesus, so-called Christianity, by heightening millennarian eschatology.

It should be noted, however, that any religious extremist - from a suicide bomber in Israel, to a UFO-cult leader, to a 2012-alarmist Mayanologist, not only the "second-coming" Christians - fits the profile of the reptilians, even if they don't shape-shift.

are there other species of shape-shifters?

There are other species of cellular morphological mutation than the one that causes the appearance of a person's visage to shape-shift reptilian. It is only the people who have been exposed to time-travel technology that shape-shift (for the vastly larger part of the time), and among them it is only the ones who are millennarian eschatologists who manifest specifically reptilian features.

Other species of shape-shifters include any and all of the plant and animal biological life-forms on this planet. For example, expsoing a plant to time-travel technology, or any species of animal, would result in a similar breakdown and mutation of cellular-morphology. The shape taken by each type of plant, or each species of animal, would be unique not only based on its genus or species, but on its personal genetic lineage, its historical "tree" of ancestry, such that the genes active in their own family would determine the manner of their own mutations.

Now, just as the nature of a mutation taken by any individual is unique to them, based on their own prior genetic structure, so too can any so-mutated biological life-form mutate its morphology to resemble traits of any other. Plants and animals evolve in their capacity for communication, although many devolve into degenerate hybrid forms as well - mutations that are contrary to the existing growth-pattern of their own natural branch on the tree of life. Likewise, people that exhibit this mutation can either evolve into higher forms of intelligence, whose change is in auric energy alone, or devolve into lesser, plant and / or animal forms.

In short, there are limitlessly more species of shape-shifting mutants between species than there can ever be specific different types of species living at any time.

the reptilian morphology and world-view:

Because the genetic trait exhibited by the shape-shifters among the highest-level planning bodies and round-tables of the rich and powerful is reptilian - in point of fact, a devolution as well as a dis-ability caused by mutation - we can ascertain they belong to the same group of people who, though they do not, would also, shape-shift into reptilians. This entire group of people, the religious-extremists and loyal political-party slaves as well as their mutant leaders in elite planning bodies, can be considered a reptilian-type sub-species of humanity. They are devolving from the human form into a more biologically primitive and less cellularly advanced morphology of being than the human being is now. This process of de-evolution is nascent in them now, so they appear human still, however over a duration of many millennia (or sooner, given advances in bio-tech), they will be the ancestors of a devolved off-shoot of human evolution that resembles reptilian humanoids.

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posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 03:27 AM
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The reason for these people to be on this de-evolutionary course in their genetic mutation is simple: conditioning over the aeons. By retreating from the creative-logical thinking-ego of the fore-brain they have gradually, over the hundreds and thousands of generations their families have been alive, re-oriented their self-aware perception into the hind-brain, which is limited in its capacities for choice-making to the sensory-awareness level of the most highly developed lizard's brain. Because the reptiles of our planet have evolved only the brain-structures that the modern human posesses in only the hind-portion of our own brains, we call the hind-brains of human beings reptilian. The reptilian nature is oriented outward moreso than inward, reacting to its environment rather than thinking how to communicate, and dorsally along an axis of approach (love) or retreat (fear or hate). Thus, this most basic level of thought is primal to all people, but only those who have been conditioned to do so have developed this nervous complex into a philosophical religious belief-system, and only among them are there a few who can actually shape-shift to show this retrograde trait visibly.

why do the reptilians covet gold?

The reptilian shape-shifters of today are using the ancient Sumerian myths of the Annunaki (aliens) and the Biblical mention of the Nefilim (half-breed giants) to perpetuate their agenda, however because both of these are myths, neither is meant to be interpreted literally, as the reptilians believe. The reptilians consider themselves the Nefilim, and the greys of today the reptilians believe are the real Annunaki. However, the greys are only reptilians who have used, more than merely seen or been exposed to, time-travel technology. The greys, in short, are reptilians who have travelled through time from now into the future and returned. They are fully mutated forms of the reptilian species the shape-shifters of today are partially.

The reptilians covet gold to give to the greys. This relationship is described, albeit in severely veiled form, in Sumerian myths by explaining the alien-god Annunaki required the gold from earth to return with their home-planet Nibiru to patch its atmosphere. Of course, because such a use for solid-mineral gold is useless and would be impossible, we must decipher the real meaning of this myth about the atmosphere of Nibiru. If the Annunaki of then are assumed to represent the greys now, and the reptilians now alike the Nefilim of then, then the greys desire gold from the reptilians to return with into the future to repair something there later.

This mythology-based explanation is sufficient for the modern reptilians, who serve the greys more out of fear than understanding. However, the real explanation for why the reptilians harvest the gold of earth is not the reason the greys give them as their explanation. The real reason is for the greys to be able to physically time-travel. In so far as our entire economy here on planet earth has grown to revolve around the fixed-rate "value" of the precious metals commodity industry, if the greys had come down to the Sumerians and explained they needed peacock feathers, then the entire economy of earth would be based right now on peacock feathers.

(cont.)



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 03:27 AM
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Consider the secret of metallurgical "alchemy": gold, silver and other platinum-group metals can be transformed into super-conductors that can be sped up to faster than the speed of light. Through near sun-surface temperature heating over a prolonged duration, gold can be reduced to a luminous ash, so-called "white powder" or "monoatomic gold." It is "mono-atomic" not because it does not molecularly bond at the level of electrons, but because the electron's shell-level has been "orbitally re-arranged," meaning the path taken by each electron ceases to be random, and becomes fixed. When electricity is applied to "white powder gold" or other "orbitally re-arranged monoatomic elements" (ORMEs), they can maintain the pattern of a pulse of electricity indefinitely, until effected by another direct current. In other words, they become "super-condutors," capable of preserving any encoded message in a pattern of electrons, and doing so indefinitely, possibly forever. When enough electricity is applied to ORMEs they disappear in a bright flash without trace, because they have travelled faster than light and "imploded" into "a higher dimension."

Also consider the concept that ORMEs can be bonded to DNA. Not only can the bonding of a metallic element to the ends of genome strands, at the so-called "telomeres," act to prevent genetic-breakdown and thus to prolong cellular longevity, ie. to end a being's ageing process, but if such small "mono-atomic" molecules of gold were bonded along the genome strand, as well as only at its ends, it would effectively create an additional, super-conductive metal strand, bonded to the genome in a "triple-helix." In theory, this would allow a person to control the super-conductive nature of the ORME with their minds, and thus for a person to be able to biologically time-travel.

PEACE.
Jonathan Barlow Gee
Tallahassee, Florida
January 6, 2010.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 03:28 AM
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on recognising the reptilians:

you don't have to be a reptilian yourself to see them as they truly are. However, during the end-times scenarios they've been running on the Gaia-grid (the so-called "morphogeneic field" of ley-lines on earth), using sub-conscious radio signals since Reagan, all the reptilians undercover acting as humans now will shape-shift and there will be revealed to be a very large (possibly in the billions) population of them here on earth living with us. Thus, the ability to recognise the reptilians uses the hind-brain, and so can make one more alike the repitlians, in their excessive paranoia and obsessions with blood and sex, over a long enough period of time.

on the reptilian humanoid sub-species:

the reptilians of today are a de-evolution from humanity, which reached its peak as a species in 2000AD. The reptilians are one of the first de-evolutionary sub-species to devolve from us, and have been around in some form all along, however buried in the so-called "genetic memory." From 2000 to 2008 they pretty much ran this place. They are one of two sub-species to devolve from us. The other is much less common now, but will eventually over-run the reptilians. These are the so-called "bugs." William Burroughs, that mugwump, was part reptilian and part bug. GHWB is a bug. Dick Cheney is a bug. Kafka was a bug.

The reason these twin species are devolving from humanity now, and often right before our very eyes, is that the flesh of man, like a lizard's skin, will atrophy, and like an insect metamorphosise into new forms. Thus, these oldest genetic traits, in reverse order in our historical unearthing of them, reappear now within the DNA mutations of modern time-travellers. In the future, once time-travel is more common, the bugs and reptiles will go to war in the heavens between 2012 and Atlantis, and this will split their universal hell-dimension from our own worldline, in which there will be no Apocalyptic end of days (yet). The reptilians will win by evolving into the "birds," a further form of mutation of our initial humanoid DNA. The bugs will be reduced to their junky slaves. This will not be called the war of the "birds" and the "bugs" though, it will be considered a peaceful revolution, in both dimensions, by sentient AI. Beyond this, other sub-species evolve as well, but they are the stuff of the far future, and need not be considered here.

where are they from, originally, and will they ever all go back there?

They themselves claim to have come here from another star-sytem through a dimension splitting device. However this is a lie. In truth, they are from our own present and near future, are short-term time-jumpers and shape-shifters, and only go along on few trips through the time-tech. This brings out their inherent junk-genetic traits and changes their forms. If I told you Dick Cheney was going back in time on the weekends to, say, ancient Egypt, you would doubt it. But if I said, instead, Cheney was day-dreaming about his own past in an empire he ruled, alike the Pharaohs of ancient Egypt, you would agree. The brain is the hard-ware, the mind the soft-ware. Run the program, crunch the numbers, read the results yourself. If you don't believe it check it again: Once you seen time-travel once, you can do it in the mind whenever you want to afterwards. It's just that, whenever you do it, while you're doing it, you transform into a reptilian, or a bug or whatever suits you. Time travel using the mind alone is possible, but only in an ethereal body, and not in a body of flesh. The ones who are dedicated time-jumpers have already long out-evolved their repitlian servitors. The reptilians de-evolved. The greys, or professional time-travellers, have evolved further. But they are from the heaven-dimension and the hell-dimension both, so we will speak of them again another time.

(cont.)



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 03:28 AM
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The reptilians' are from a future in the hell-dimension alone. They thrive like a den of vipers for 1000 years in one form or another. But nowhere, nowhere, has any reptilian ever set foot in the heavenly Atlantis. They have corrupted the legends of Sumeria, but they cannot # with the technology of the mind, once unleashed, and harnessed, to accomplish monumental feats of will power. That is why they can't enter Eden. Because they are guarded against it by Raziel, the angel with the flaming sword. Raziel who art Enoch, who went back in time.

PEACE! Jah Ras Tafari! PEACE!
- Jon



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 03:50 AM
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Well Jon, there is a lot of information here to consider. My exposure to reptilian lore stems fully from David Ickes summary of such alien entities. The Sumerians however stem from an interest in astrology and ancient UFO lore which we find a wealth of in Sumerian literature on the Annunaki.

The Sumerian knowledge of our solar system for one predates our current knowledge with an accuracy that has no explanation. They claim this knowledge came from the Annunaki and clearly it takes some technological advantage to see Neptune and Pluto. Let alone get the color right on Neptune.

There is some anecdotal evidence giving the Sumerian myth of the Annunaki a certain level of realism.

I don't know for certain if the reptilian myth is real, partly because I have no personal evidence or proof so the legitimacy has to always remain in question, but my open minded skepticism allows for the possibility of such myth.

Have you ever met a shape shifting reptilian?



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 04:22 AM
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Originally posted by YouAreDreaming
They claim this knowledge came from the Annunaki and clearly it takes some technological advantage to see Neptune and Pluto.


I agree the Annunaki (refering specifically to the myth of ancient aliens) might be true, at least from a certain point of view, considering the ancient uncivilised people the "Annunaki" supposedly bred, tamed and taught the use of tools, etc. could have mistaken time-travellers from our future with aliens from another planet. The myth of having come from another planet derives from the source of these supposed "aliens" in the same way the Bible derives from the source of its author(s), and so we, as later readers of these myths, cannot know their original authors' intent. Remember that Gilgamesh was considered a novel even in Sumer, and also that Eridu was rebuilt after a flood that destroyed all the prior historical records of the area. This flood is mentioned in Gilgamesh as having occured to his "great ancestor." Now, even though the flood actually did happen, Gilgamesh is considered fiction. By that same criteria then, might not also the Bible be? Only, the message of monotheism in the Bible and the pantheon of gods from the Lost Book of Enki are like oil on water, so how can these two both be true? Yet if only parts of each are true, then parts of both must also be fiction, and we're left back where we started on square one: deciding for ourselves what to believe.


Originally posted by YouAreDreaming
Have you ever met a shape shifting reptilian?


I've known a few. One I knew personally manifested to mutual friends in my presence, but when he "showed" me, I saw nothing. One was one of the founders of the POD, my "secret society" group. I am certain he is a changeling because of his obsessive secrecy. He even kept his screen-name persona secret from his online-only girlfriend. I knew another recently, who, like the others had also, eventually denounced me for my political views, insulted me, and never wanted to have anything to do with me again.

Anyway, hope all's well on the other side of the internet-tube behind my pc screen. PEACE!
- Jon



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 01:26 PM
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Very very interesting. You say "The greys, in short, are reptilians who have travelled through time from now into the future and returned. They are fully mutated forms of the reptilian species the shape-shifters of today are partially." Also you state Dick Cheney is a shape shifter, however Is he only going back to the past lets say on weekends as stated...then back to present to keep his human form? Surely being able to travel to the past one could venture to the future, but would the travel to the future and back to the present convert him to a Grey if he done so? Also If I read correctly Cheney among other leaders whom are reptilian are infact from hell and have been here for thousands of years? Why cant we see them if they shape shift their physical form? Our body is mass, and if its physically changed lets say from a guy to a women that would be very noticeable. Please share more info with this, im very interested


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posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by JJ050
Is he only going back to the past lets say on weekends as stated...then back to present to keep his human form?


I'm not sure if I can answer this question outright, since it calls for speculation on the individual case basis, and I am no close enough acquaintance to Dick Cheney to be able to speak for him. On the other hand, as a general point, I can address that question: no, you wouldn't need to only "snow bird" time-travel to keep up your looks. Time-travel isn't like sunning yourself on the beach, where the amount of exposure determines the amount or rate of effect on the skin. Once you have time-travelled once, you are a time-traveller permanently. You cannot turn this aspect off inside your mind. Thus, you will mutate at some rate to some extent even if you time-travel only once, and in fact among those who time-travel, those who do so the least tend to mutate the most. Travel into the past de-evolves our DNA, but travel faster into the future shortens our natural life-span.


Originally posted by JJ050
Surely being able to travel to the past one could venture to the future, but would the travel to the future and back to the present convert him to a Grey if he done so?


Actually, that's not the way it works, exactly. Travel into the future has yet to be accomplished by human beings using human made mechanical means of time-travel. This will not occur until the time of complete disclosure of the entire secret side of society by the grey "aliens" themselves, scheduled for 2012. Humans can now come and go to and from the recent past, however the more distant past they return from, the more mutated they become. Likewise, if you send someone into the future using the technology available now they will simply grow old faster and die. Even the top people don't have this down yet, and the ones they answer to won't tell them. The "greys" use the future-tech as a carrot on a stick the same as the reptilians use the past-tech.


Originally posted by JJ050
leaders whom are reptilian are infact from hell and have been here for thousands of years?


Hell exists in the future, and it existed in the past, but it exists in the present only as a combination of hell with the pure essence of heaven, good opposite evil, both in one. Between 2000 and 2012 the twin dimensions overlap, but in 2012 they will be torn apart again for another 1000 years or so. Earth continues to exist in both these dimensions. There is a third time-line in which the planet earth is destroyed, but it has no future after 2012, so we need not pursue it beyond that point. After 2012, the heaven dimension will be populated solely by minds who choose their own form of incarnations. The hell dimension will carry on much as things have been recently, with martial law, war, plague, famine, nukes, etc. for hundreds of years. Finally, in the hell-dimension, a new civilisation will form that will hurdle past the heights of all prior technology, and it will re-connect itself to the heaven dimension in about 3000AD. This has to do with black-hole technology similar to the worm-hole tech used for time-travel.

Check out this doc for more info on time-travel:
www.scribd.com...

PEACE!



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 03:57 PM
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Wow so interesting, I would love to talk to you more! Im even more interested as to where these NWO elites are keeping these machines, and do you know if the reptilians and these NWO elites are working towards keeping the 2012 disclosure from happening? I know reptilians and greys are sworn enemies is it possible their is a foil in the works for the greys plans to reveal disclosure? Perhaps they plan on using this time machine to intervene the greys making it so the message never happend...is it possible for these elites to go back intime and change current events? Lets say I went back in time with Dick Cheney and we rigged the election so he won prez and we done other various things which could change what we know now, would that infact cause some sort of rip in reality? Maybe making dimensions collide? Im interested in knowing the limits and rules, im sure theres factos that one must follow so they dont disrupt the current, perhaps thats why our dna de evolves so we take on a mutated form so our past person cannot run into the future us being that would cause mass confusion and panic? The link you provided is very interesting it says a time traveler upon death searches for another body to travel in? Is there anyway for us to experience what Nokia and if we were to time travel how would we get back? The public should be allowed to experience this I feel the secrets of life are also being held back by malevolent forces to keep us from progressing. I dont understand a gift such as time travel should be shared upon the world! Is it possible an average joe could be creating such a machine with out these reptilians knowing?

Ps. According to page 3 on the time travel link you provided it states some people were sent in the past and nokia and his team were sent to December 21 2012 So is it possible he has seen whats in store for 2012 back in 1908?

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posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by JJ050
where these NWO elites are keeping these machines


in DUMBs. In point of fact, the DUMBs themselves are stationary time-machines. They can travel through time without moving in space, and thus can also act as time-tunnels. Consider speeding a train of people up to the speeds reached in the LHC of CERN in Switzerland. This is essentially the principle used now: a group of people all work together on any one jump. They send one jumper and the rest are catchers. The jumper goes through time and the catchers retrieve them. One jumper takes no less than five catchers. The additional data brought back by the jumper is then spread out in parts throughout all five of the catchers' minds. A jumper in time, following opposite the time-stream's regular flow, experiences themselves as if in a dream. They are naturally invisible, able to fly, to lift objects with their mind, they have the powers of a ghost to change shape, they can possess living bodies, etc. A team of time-travellers will be sent using this process into the future, and one will return, and this will occur in the same moment, in 2012.


Originally posted by JJ050
do you know if the reptilians and these NWO elites are working towards keeping the 2012 disclosure from happening?


The reptilians are to earth the equivalent of the Rockefellers to the US while the "off-worlders" are the equivalent of the Rothschilds, who already own all of Europe. The Reptilians have alot of points against them, but they have been willing to work with the tarantloids (insects), albeit covertly, and this is a promising sign to the ETs, EBEs, etc's. The team of time-travellers in 2012 are the original grey "aliens," who, by stepping outside of time altogether, immediately spawn a cloned cybernetic-hybrid neo-human species outside of time. Thus, the "greys" can pass between the heaven and hell dimensions unscathed, exist in both, and also in our own present time-line when these two overlap.


Originally posted by JJ050
I know reptilians and greys are sworn enemies is it possible their is a foil in the works for the greys plans to reveal disclosure?


As I say, they are reluctant, competitive allies. The greys created the insect species as a hybrid man-machine life-form. The insect sub-species has been working with the reptilians in the present, now, in order to help a select few humans adapt to the time-travel technology. The greys, being outside of time altogether, exist autonomously of the technology itself. The greys can time-space jump at will, in the body, by mind alone. However, as I have said, the reptilians are a mutation to the "catchers" from their own genes being overloaded and over-written with excess information, coding itself to the genetic patterns of the flesh's own most distant past.


Originally posted by JJ050
Perhaps they plan on using this time machine to intervene the greys making it so the message never happend


This is impossible due to the concept of critical mass of the collective consciousness reaching a metastasis point, the so-called "100th monkey" effect. This is going to happen for all living beings on earth in 2012 regardless. The snakes want the world to end. The bugs are trying to show them how to work the "way out" machine, and the sheep are content reading this over a bagel and then driving off to a desk job.

(cont.)



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by JJ050
...is it possible for these elites to go back intime and change current events?


They can influence them, from the point of view of ghosts, but the amount of time they spend out-of-body in the recent past is equal to the same amount of time that they would normally live beyond the time they are jumping backwards from initially. So if you go back three years, that's three years sooner you will die, etc. But if you go back three years and stay a month, then return to three years later, a month will have passed there while you were gone. These calculations for co-ordinates in time-space over space-time can be reset to allow exact jumps and minimize mutation. The "kinks" are still being worked out though.


Originally posted by JJ050
other various things which could change what we know now, would that infact cause some sort of rip in reality? Maybe making dimensions collide?


Thnk of time like a stalk of broccoli. There is a trunk: the main entropic time-line, flowing past to future through the unmoving point of the present in the middle. From this core of the stalk shoot forth stems that are alternate realities, or spin-offs from our own time-lines. We see millions of these a day. On the street they are plentiful. They occur whenever we have an NDE, a personal transcendetal experience, or and OBE. We see them as thoughts, but they are literally ghost-universes operating at right-angles to our own time-line. However, unlike the head of the stalk of broccoli, almost every single one of these parallel spin-off time-streams forms a spiralling etty current and self-terminates immediately. Parallel universes occur constantly, but usually they self-destruct. In 2012, we will all be given a vision of the twin realities that will divide then, and we will be given the choice into which we want to be reborn.


Originally posted by JJ050
thats why our dna de evolves so we take on a mutated form so our past person cannot run into the future us being that would cause mass confusion and panic?


Time-jumping doesn't work around the majour conundrums of physicists, it works through them. Thus, in the T-4 program I describe in that link, you have presented the peculiar "solution" to Einstein's grandfather paradox that, when you meet yourself in another dimension, you have no choice but to kill the other you, even though this will mean you can never return to your own original time-line, and will be left a so-called "free agent" in time.


Originally posted by JJ050
a time traveler upon death searches for another body to travel in?


We all do that. We turn into souls, or ghosts, which are actually our own energy field, our auras. We can choose to reincarnate, or be forced to do so by our own self-judgment, or we may ascend to the level of existence beyond the terrestrial plane, travel freely as pure mental energy throughout the cosmos, and even transcend further into the throne-room of heaven beyond the speed of light squared. The only real difference is that a time-traveller knows they are dead already, while many people do not even realise it has happened when they die.

(cont.)

[edit on 22-1-2010 by benpadiah]



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by JJ050
Is there anyway for us to experience what Nokia and if we were to time travel how would we get back?


Nobody can do what Tesla did and get to where he got without having to challenge and defeat him there on his own turf. He is now alike the triune God-head: the universal mind, the planetary mind, and the species mind. But Tesla went first, before all others, and so he is the original and the first to have stamped his seal on the outskirts of time.

When we travel, we are constantly re-orienting our own frame of reference. That's what Einstein called "general relativity," his original theory of physics. "Special" relativity applied to objects moving relative to one another. Einstein tried and intentionally failed to prove "general relativity" could be applied to gravity: ie. proving ether-drift. Instead, he focused on using "special relativity" to describe photons in a vacuum as travelling at a fixed speed, "c." But for "special" relativity to apply to photons, they must be acting against a contrary force that produces enough friction against them to slow their inertial momentum over distance. This "other" force is gravity, which is the missing key to applying "special relativity" to quanutm-mechanics, and once you plug in that equation, then the result is that "general-relativity" applies not only to the force of gravity, but to all four forces from the big bang until now, in the form of the whole space-time continuum itself.

In short, to time-jump you use special relatvity to calculate your coordinates as a frame of reference in motion, relative to another frame of reference which is also in motion. It's similar to jumping between two box-cars of trains on parallel tracks speeding in opposite directions.


Originally posted by JJ050
Is it possible an average joe could be creating such a machine with out these reptilians knowing?


Hellz yes. The reptilians don't care what individual sheep do. They send the "bugs" (MIBs) to check it out, and if the bugs report it back to anyone it's the "greys" and not the "reptilians." The bugs themselves might not like it, but its the choice of the greys how things would go if any single sheep were to suddenly stop breying, stand up, and begin discussing Nietzsche and politics with the other sheep. The reptilians would of course see that as a problem, if it prevents any of the other sheep from working. But so long as the whole system continues to function smoothly through any massive transition from one form to another, then the greys are indifferent to whether the reptilians win in the end, or if the sheep arise to save themselves.

(cont.)



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by JJ050
Ps. According to page 3 on the time travel link you provided it states some people were sent in the past and nokia and his team were sent to December 21 2012 So is it possible he has seen whats in store for 2012 back in 1908?


Tesla foresaw it all. He's up there next to God and Metatron now, holding the seat for Samael, the fallen, until the very end of all things. Tesla taught thought to Thoth. Tesla wasn't born knowing though. He found it out. So there may yet be hope he could be battled and surpassed by someone who was, as the legends describe the Buddha, born Knowing All. However, to clarify, Tesla's teams were sent into the future and the past. In 2012, the ones he sent to the future will emerge into the team then sent into the past. Tesla couldn't send them further than 2012, so that was their plotted destination. However, this group, the ones Tesla sent back in time first, and all those who have jumped back in time since, will all pale before the one survivor of the 2012 time-gate experiment, for they will be transformed into the image of Tesla himself, as if he has come again, but this image will do interior mental battle within itself between Tesla and the will of the individual time-traveller. If Tesla wins, he will be declared the incarnation of the triune-God on earth. If not, there remains hope for the survival of the world even beyond 2012.

This event will split the dimensions as described. Did that answer your questions? LOL. PEACE. - Jon



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 06:35 PM
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Absolutely did! This is an amazing topic, is there a way for me to contact you? Perhaps yahoo or aim? What really interests me is your statement

"We all do that. We turn into souls, or ghosts, which are actually our own energy field, our auras. We can choose to reincarnate, or be forced to do so by our own self-judgment, or we may ascend to the level of existence beyond the terrestrial plane, travel freely as pure mental energy throughout the cosmos, and even transcend further into the throne-room of heaven beyond the speed of light squared. The only real difference is that a time-traveller knows they are dead already, while many people do not even realise it has happened when they die."

According to another forum Im also very interested in

www.abovetopsecret.com...

states the "white light" is a soul recycle system used to send our souls back to earth reincarnate us with no memories, they say to avoid the light, go beyond it into the abyss where you face "judgement" in the form of 2 creatures "malevolent" and "benevolent". Supposedly the "white light" is a machine made by 4th dimensional rogue aliens, if this is true, when the "elites" of the world die off, even they are not safe if they are blind to the truth.

I wonder how exactly the greys plan on disclosure? Do you think they will send telepathic messages to us all or show us physically? Do you think the reptilians fear this disclosure? Considering their drones aka the bugs report back to the greys and the reptilians report to the greys with gold, its safe to say the greys run the game. So being the secretive bastards the reptilians are perhaps a bride of some sort if being offered to the greys to keep us from knowing? Because lets face it 2012 is right around the corner and the elites have not done anything to ready us for it, and an event as big as disclosure...you could see where it could cause an outbreak of panic for those not awakened. Not to mention the redneck shoot first ask later people.

Also you say "Parallel universes occur constantly, but usually they self-destruct. In 2012, we will all be given a vision of the twin realities that will divide then, and we will be given the choice into which we want to be reborn."

Again will this be visible? How will we choose, do we choose when we pass during judgment or is it going to be such a big ordeal we can physically enter this new realm and leave this one behind to the reptilians?



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by JJ050
is there a way for me to contact you?


use my screen-name @ gmail, or else you can find my info via my profile page here. I use msn messenger frequently.


Originally posted by JJ050
the "white light" is a soul recycle system used to send our souls back to earth reincarnate us with no memories, they say to avoid the light, go beyond it into the abyss where you face "judgement" in the form of 2 creatures "malevolent" and "benevolent". Supposedly the "white light" is a machine made by 4th dimensional rogue aliens, if this is true, when the "elites" of the world die off, even they are not safe if they are blind to the truth.


That is the most f'ed up thing I've ever heard. It's not without merit, aesthetically it holds up, and artistically it's eloquent enough. I would really want to put more thought into that before passing it along as truth, but I will definitely mention the idea to some associates and bounce the idea off their heads. Honestly, I don't "believe" anything I've read and thus "know" about the afterlife. I prefer the mystics who romanticise it with visual imagery, such as the Egyptian judgement of the dead, the Hebrew "pillar of smoke" or Christian "tunnel of light," the Rosicrucian "winding stair." As close as any of these come to a scientific explanation was Manichean Mithraism, and particularly pseudo-Dionysius, who described God's "glory" (ie heaven) as a "divine gloom," or a "glowing shadow," some phrase it, "bright darkness" etc. All moral connotations aside, if the universe were imagined as a perfect sphere in shape, its surface would be the "clear light" described by Buddhists, while the surrounding black-hole within the event horizon beyond which is the parent universe is a "bright darkness."

I'd have to speculate the whole dichotomy of "light" and "dark" breaks down to the concept of gravity holding you back as you ascend outward in all directions from the body after death, or whether you pass through the speed of light in a bright super-conductive flash and enter the multiversal throne-room of God. Beyond that, and as far as anthropomorphic god-forms goes, I don't believe in those at all.


Originally posted by JJ050
I wonder how exactly the greys plan on disclosure?


They will appear at the moment of midnight on Dec, 21, 2012. How people react will be entirely left up to human free will by them. If martial law is declared and we all die, the greys will not care, as they only want the earth for its resources, and don't per se need their own parent species anymore. They will appear then in a big show on the inside of the "painted sky" (ie. earth's inner-ionosphere). This will be "Blue Beam," but it might not, as originally warned, involve utilising the FEMA camps. Blue Beam is a NASA / grey co-operative project to help mankind transition to a constant alien presence on earth, greys, reptilians, bugs, etc. The plan of Blue Beam is to stage an alien invasion by one species of aliens, the near defeat of earth, and finally its last minute salvation by a second group of aliens, who are benevolent. These two groups are the reptilians and the greys, who already work together, and Blue Beam will only be a massive media MK experiment by them both to disclose their presence and motives for control.


Originally posted by JJ050
Do you think they will send telepathic messages to us all or show us physically?


I think they have been amping our psyches up to the event with movies, obviously, but also with broadcast dreams. In the final event, though, they will reveal to us our own full capacity for mental sense perception and we will be able to manifest our own reality instantly using mind alone.

(cont.)



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by JJ050
Do you think the reptilians fear this disclosure?


The reptilians are scared of everything. It's their basic, cold-blooded nature. I think they are going along with it because they know it is inevitable, but I don't think that, if they had their way of running things, the sheep would ever wake up. However the greys are adamant about the date, and for good reasons. In 2012, we will have an eclipse of the sun and the black hole at the core of the Milky Way, and this will show us all something we would not see otherwise: that most of the galaxies we can see in the farthest distances in the universe no longer exist, they burnt out long before their light reaches us, and thus, our universe will appear much smaller than it does ordinarily. Then the eclipse will end, and we will go back to doing whatever it was we were doing then. Some of us will see the aliens, who will come to take them away, others will witness global martial law and world war three, and still others will time-jump to Atlantis.


Originally posted by JJ050
the secretive bastards the reptilians are perhaps a bride of some sort if being offered to the greys to keep us from knowing?


the greys don't really exist yet. They won't start to exist until 2012. The greys we know of now are servants of the original grey-committee, the Annunaki, who make the first time-jump back one-way, no return, in 2012. They will leave, and Tesla's future-jumpers will appear. Those who travel one way backwards will, by the era of Sumeria, have left their bodies completely and exist as a collection of discorporeal forces governing the earth, sun and local planets.


Originally posted by JJ050
the elites have not done anything to ready us for... the redneck shoot first ask later people.


The Bush administration was a fraud, and the "Blue Collar" comedy tour was, literally, staged for your viewing pleasure as a television program on cable. Personally, I don't buy that bull# about people being stupid, inferior, sheep or chattle myself. I try not to adopt the house-slave mentality of looking down my nose at my lessers when we all serve the same master in the end. I think, if anything, the elites have prepared us to think down on ourselves, and thus to idolise whatever we see whenever we look up, beit the "son," the "stars," aliens, Gods, the universal mind, etc. etc. etc. I don't profess to understand anyone's motives but my own, so I can't say why the elites want us to think about everyone else alive (7 Billion souls) as ignorant "cowboy diplomats" like our appointed ex-president.


Originally posted by JJ050
Again will this be visible?


Yes, during the blackhole-sun eclipse, the distant galaxies will seem to vanish.


Originally posted by JJ050
How will we choose, do we choose when we pass during judgment or is it going to be such a big ordeal we can physically enter this new realm and leave this one behind to the reptilians?


We choose by ascending into the heaven dimension, descending into the hell-dimension, or else going with the greys. In the heaven dimension and with the greys, there remains a level of high civilisation on the earth for the next 1000 years. In the hell-dimension, everything we have now is lost, and only those who survive in the DUMBs will be left alive to carry the torch of human survival.

PEACE!
- Jon



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 08:57 PM
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The people who we most often see manifesting the shape-shifting disability are, now, the only people on earth who have been directly exposed to such time-travel technologies


I have to disagree with you. Ive seen a reptillian shape shift with my own eyes


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posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 09:25 PM
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Heres the kicker, why do the greys want us to know about them vs living in secrecy? It seems they have done fine in secrecy these 1000's of years, why now? I for one am VERY excited about this! Now do they already know the ones whom they are going to take, going to ascend going to descend to hell? Or is it up to free will where we go? Example...the awakened people obviously will either choose to ascend or go with the greys while the scared ones will stay on earth aka hell. When Dec 21st midnight arrives, will it be seen world wide by all, as in when we go outside at midnight will we be able to look up and see this? Will we be able to enter it and leave with these greys? You also say we are unable to see the reptilian form, however on this day will we see these leaders and elites for what they are? Theres soo much questions I have, I cannot even begin to scratch the surface, altho I hope to strike a friendship up with you and further enlighten my mind -=)

one more thing I was wondering will we remember this life when this happens? Will I be able to find my family or will they be able to come with me when we ascend or choose to go with the greys?


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