Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected [the same] in hope,
Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, [and] I ordained thee a
prophet unto the nations.
Rom 9:11 (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand,
not of works, but of him that calleth
Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my
name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth.
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
fitzpatrick is on the right track.
let me put it in these terms. . . man is free to do what comes naturally. so unless man is his own creator, thusly defining his own nature, he is
actually in bondage to the vanity of human character born into him by God.
now speaking of the spiritual process, an unsaved man is by nature carnal and selfish. therefore, unless there is divine intervention and a "gift of
faith," he will never, by any means, correctly see the truth of God. also, to those who supress truth, as pharaoh, their life also is ordained by
the Creator, but their end is not as glorious as those who are given "the gift."
but by all means, to those who claim to be authors of their own salvation/goodness, more power to you. as for myself, i must acknowledge my lack of
strength and my over abundance of selfishness. in other words, please, let's not argue, this is just my take. i have nothing to prove, only things
ps. i know this puts me in the crossfire for flames, but please by kind and remember, this is only my view. if it threatens you, argue about it to
yourself. i have already spent 4 years fighting within myslef about this after finally accepting the truth of it. i know every arguement against it
since i formerly despised it with all malice. if you have questions, ask away, otherwise, i will not reply to flames.