Brock Lesnar, "Canada's health care system 3rd world"

Just a couple of points here as we may be missing a few key points.

I've had diverticulitis - its symptoms are..

Mayo Clinic - Diverticulitis Symptoms

Common signs and symptoms of diverticulitis include:

Pain that's often sudden, severe, and located in the lower left side of the abdomen. Less commonly, abdominal pain may be mild at first, and become worse over several days, possibly fluctuating in intensity
Change in bowel habits
Abdominal tenderness
Fever
Nausea and vomiting
Constipation
Diarrhea
Less common signs and symptoms of diverticulitis may include:
Bloating
Bleeding from your rectum

On the other the symptoms of Mono are...

Mayo Clinic - Mono Symptoms

Signs and symptoms of mononucleosis may include:

Fatigue
Weakness
Sore throat, perhaps a strep throat that doesn't get better with antibiotics
Fever
Swollen lymph nodes in your neck and armpits
Swollen tonsils
Headache
Skin rash
Loss of appetite
Soft, swollen spleen
Night sweats

Not exactly the same symptoms are they? It took my family doctor about 2 mins to diagonse me (correctly) with diverticulitus. I've actually had it twice now - and the first time it took the hospital about 15 mins to diagnose it.

Now a few things that are just my opinion - but I'll tell you what they are based on..

The mono diagnosis came from the US. That's one black mark against the US. Sounds like whoever Brock saw first got their degree from a Cracker Jack Box.

The Canadian issue - we just have Brock's story to go on. As I've indicated - it didn't seem hard to diagnose the times I've had it. Just by going - "Does it hurt when I do this?" "AAAAGGGGHH!!" "You have diverticultius I think." was how it went with my family doc. We may never know what exactly happened here.

Brock - I've followed his carrer through college, pro wrestling & mma. When it comes to taking someone apart he is amazingly gifted. However, he just isn't the brightest bulb in the lamp. Take what he says with a grain of salt.

After the 8 hours had passed, Lesnar started making a miraculous recovery, and surgery to remove his colon was deemed unnecessary. Story in a nutshell- because he came back to America and was seen by doctors who actually knew what they were doing in a timely matter, this man's career and possibly LIFE was saved.

You tell people to get the "real" story before commenting. Well from what I heard...

Yes he was at his "cabin" in Canada. Now when you think of a cabin, where would you think a cabin would be located? Most likely in a remote or semi remote area probably north of any large city.

So, how many well equipped medical facilities do you think are located in the middle of nowhere in any country?

I heard it was a very small place, with little equipment for detecting such conditions. I also heard the place he went offered to transport him to either Brandon or Winnipeg hospitals who would have been far better equiped to deal with his condition. But, he flat out refused and left.

The fact that he was misdiagnosed in the USA the first time, is also not the whole story. The US doctors told him that he should have a CT scan. Which HE REFUSED. If he had the scan it would have detected his problem in the first place.

After this all happens he decides to take a political platform to insult Obama and his healthcare plan, clearly stating that he is a conservative republican and in the process suggesting Canada is comparable to a 3rd world country. This guy is a great spokesman for the republican party or americans in general, you betcha.

My Canadian friend had to wait over Two Years for carpel tunnel surgery.
She is a widow trying to raise her son and a two year wait was a definate hardship.
Trying to get a mri or pet scan in Canada without a looong wait is about impossible; this costs lives.

No wonder so many Canadians come to the USA for Many medical services thet are rationed in their own country.

If health Deform comes to America I have a feeling it will be worse than Canada.

One aspect of tribalism is limiting your identity to that which is provincial or ego based. Consider the fact that your real identity is spirit, and is infinite. This will allow for a greater persepective.

One need not limit their identity to egoically demarcated, indoctrinated beliefs, such as tribalism does. Please understand I am not trying to get after you in any way, its simply a very common tendency humans have as primates.

Energetically, it relates to consciousness centered in the lower 2 chakras, rather than the heart, third eye, crown or transpersonal, where the identity of a being far greater than that of the 'meat world' rests....our true identity.

This is, as well, the reason so many people become ego identified with the beliefs/ideas they hold, like politicians or political partisans. They ARE NOT their ideas, they are much greater.

However, they believe that their identity IS their ideas, their ideas are who they are. This is why they react with such energy to defend ideas which are often wrong. There is nothing wrong with holding an idea that is false, because the idea is not the person....the map is not the territory.

Again, not trying to criticize anyone, merely pointing out that the tribalist viewpoint is one of the ways humans are manipulated to attack and defend one another. When we truly understand our real, spiritual identity, such limiting boundaries become absurd, and we will truly unify into a higher vibration.

Originally posted by AmericanDaughter
My Canadian friend had to wait over Two Years for carpel tunnel surgery.
She is a widow trying to raise her son and a two year wait was a definate hardship.
Trying to get a mri or pet scan in Canada without a looong wait is about impossible; this costs lives.

No wonder so many Canadians come to the USA for Many medical services thet are rationed in their own country.

If health Deform comes to America I have a feeling it will be worse than Canada.

When health reform comes to America it will be better than the
Canadian Health Care system. I can argue that it is right now.
- Medical Tourism -
If the USA is so bad why do Canadians run/fly down here all the
time to get help?

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Part of the real health care reform will be Tort Reform.
We must also allow American citizens to buy health insurance
across state lines.

A lack of doctors in an unpopulated area. Strange.

An artificial lack of doctors created by the Medical Association.

Canada actually does work on everyone. Whereas the US doesn't.

Population density vs. land space.

somethings have nothing to do with how "good" the system is.

If your system was addressing the immediate and the maintenance needs of even part of your poopulace in a realistic manner, it would break like a bad piece of dollar store glass.

reply to post by Eurisko2012


I dont think health care reform will ever come to america.
As far as the canadian system...well....it may not be the best for major ailments, but if you just need to get into to see a doc about something then its far better then here, where you simply cant do that if you arent insured, and even if you are you still have a to pay a bunch of cash.
New zealand, same thing, yeah you might wait a few days for that tendon surgery, but at least it wont cost you your lifes savings when you get it done.

A year or so ago, my GF fainted in her hallway and split her chin open. We spent 4 hours at the hospital, got a couple stitches, ran a few tests to find out why she fainted, which by the way revealed nothing. Total cost out of pocket...2500 dollars! Come on, thats ridiculous. The only real problem I see with health care is how much everything costs, and that will NEVER change. You can come up with a system to spread the bill around a little better butt he costs of treatment will only go up.

The solution tot he healthcare issue is the same as every other issue facing mankind....very simple...reduce the population until the mean standard of living is higher and easier to achieve.

I see health care as just another overpopulation issue.

Originally posted by liquidsmoke206
reply to post by Eurisko2012

 

I dont think health care reform will ever come to america.
As far as the canadian system...well....it may not be the best for major ailments, but if you just need to get into to see a doc about something then its far better then here, where you simply cant do that if you arent insured, and even if you are you still have a to pay a bunch of cash.
New zealand, same thing, yeah you might wait a few days for that tendon surgery, but at least it wont cost you your lifes savings when you get it done.

A year or so ago, my GF fainted in her hallway and split her chin open. We spent 4 hours at the hospital, got a couple stitches, ran a few tests to find out why she fainted, which by the way revealed nothing. Total cost out of pocket...2500 dollars! Come on, thats ridiculous. The only real problem I see with health care is how much everything costs, and that will NEVER change. You can come up with a system to spread the bill around a little better butt he costs of treatment will only go up.

The solution tot he healthcare issue is the same as every other issue facing mankind....very simple...reduce the population until the mean standard of living is higher and easier to achieve.

I see health care as just another overpopulation issue.

The Canadian system fails where it counts, dont you see? Who flippin cares if you can get right in and see a doctor for a cold for free. Being told you have to wait 2 years for the simplest of proceedures is far beyond unacceptable. The system is terrible where it really counts, Saving your life. Who cares about your runny nose.

The vast majority of those wait times have been reduced significantly in the last several years, through innovative scheduling mostly.

By the same token as the medical tourism argument, I can argue that many dual citizens maintain their dual citizenship because of things like universal care.

I don't think you comprehend the vastness of Canada. Canada is the second largest country on the planet.

And how few people live spread across that vastness. We are the 38th listing on a list of population numbers on the planet.

www.nationmaster.com...

And from the look of that list, if you took every other country below it on the list, you might be able to put all their land masses inside of Canada.

My city alone has about the same number of people as the ENTIRE PROVINCE of Manitoba - where this cabin is. The province of Manitoba, in size is roughly about the size of Texas. 55% of that population lives in one city.

In ANY system, there would not be a plethora of specialists in a sparsely populated, large area. It can be difficult to get doctors at all in the remote areas. In a non-universal system, you might not have ANY specialists and almost no doctors at all actually.

From what I heard later on is that he went to some small medical center in Canada and could not get care there. His wife later drove him into the states to an American hospital(I forget where). He was quoted saying something like "My wife saved my life." He truly isn't too smart so anything he says that doesn't relate to mma is not even worth listening to...

Here's Brock's side of the story...

heymanhustle.craveonline.com...

The jist of it is the Manitoba hospital's CT machine was broken and wasn't going to be repaired. The Dr.s wanted to proceed to give him a colostomy bag without a proper diagnosis. Brock drove to Bismark, had the CT scan and got a correct diagnosis from that scan, saving his career.

I guess the question is, was the CT machine unrepaired because of lack of funding by the Canadian health system? Or was it a hospital problem?

[edit on 5-2-2010 by BlueGargoyle]