Conservative Justices Sell The Nation to Corps

Originally posted by johnny2127
reply to post by ziggystrange

 

Justice Kennedy is actually a liberal.......

No Kennedy is not a liberal, just a traitor, Thomas is a Black guy, and your point is?

Ziggy Strange

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


You can not bite the hand that feeds you no matter how much ratings it will bring with the issue alone.

Remember most of the income of for-profit media outlets does not come from the audiences, but rather from commercial advertisers who are interested in selling products to that audience. This gives corporate sponsors influence over what people see and read and all in favor of information that does not criticize the sponsors’ products or discuss any corporate wrongdoing.

I don't know it is fox or CNN but one of the major outlets investors are from the middle east.

I remember we had a thread on that subject a while back.

reply to post by ziggystrange


Do you fail to understand that they ruled that it was UNCONSTITUTIONAL? Reforming campaign finance would be awesome, but you have to follow the constitution in the process. You and many many other are just trying to spin this for party purposes, and its disgusting.

We should rejoice that the constitution was upheld, and work together to find a LAWFUL means of reforming campaign finance.

Originally posted by AllexxisF1
If Fox News and the right wing media's silence on this was not enough proof.

Yesterdays decision by the Conservatives on the court strikes at the very heart of our Republic.

and still they listen to Hannnity and Rush and think it's no big deal.


When will Conservatives in this country realize they are being used as Judas Goats to destroy this nation.

They stolen elections, started wars on lies, tortured people, spied on Americans, gave the bankers unfathomable amounts of money and now handed our elections to corporations.

Right Wing Media is full of evil people masquerading as Republicans to push their agenda, and people are believing it.

They insist people wake up when the sad reality they are the one's who are living in a dream world.

Hannity actually defending this decision should be the wake up call of the century to you folks.

They made you believe your fellow citizen (Liberals) were the enemy when all along it was them. Lying to you night after night, day after day.

How much more evidence do you need?

Dead on! Star for you.
People have to stop the partisan blabber and look around.

The entire game rule set just got changed mid-game.

Americans have to react now, and as one people. Who is working against this travesty, and who is for it.

Look up the word Apocalypse, this is it.

Not wanting to see the truth is what gets people enslaved.

Keep it coming AllexxisF1. Good job!

Ziggy Strange

[edit on 22-1-2010 by ziggystrange]

a problem that has been brought up about this ruling. corporations can be owned by people who are not citizens of this country. so with we can expect a company that is head quartered and owned in dubai or saudi arabia for example financing a politicians campaign. that is not in the best interests of our country.

Originally posted by saturnine_sweet
reply to post by ziggystrange

 

Do you fail to understand that they ruled that it was UNCONSTITUTIONAL? Reforming campaign finance would be awesome, but you have to follow the constitution in the process. You and many many other are just trying to spin this for party purposes, and its disgusting.

We should rejoice that the constitution was upheld, and work together to find a LAWFUL means of reforming campaign finance.

You are lying pal. There was no unconstitutionality, what there was is collusion to hand over the USA to unfettered Corporate control, and you are a fool for not seeing it.

Rejoice all you want you are still 100 times more enslaved today than yesterday.

You just don't like it because it was the people you put there who did it.

Ziggy Strange

Originally posted by blackthorne
a problem that has been brought up about this ruling. corporations can be owned by people who are not citizens of this country. so with we can expect a company that is head quartered and owned in dubai or saudi arabia for example financing a politicians campaign. that is not in the best interests of our country.

Precisely, which seems to escape the deluded minority that keeps on defending this decision.

The Conservative movement has sent us back to the stone age in terms of Corporate control.

Wake up Patriots, your revolution came like a thief in the night, and you are still snoring.

Ziggy Strange

reply to post by ziggystrange


Well, knocking that law down also gives the big unions the same power. For some reason I never see the liberals complaining about allowing that.

I wonder why that is?

Personally, I believe any individual or group should have the freedom to give money to whomever they want, as long as it's their money in the first place.

But it appears to me that you like the idea of having a big, intrusive government tell you what you can and can't do with your own property -- as long as that big, intrusive government can be used for your agenda rather than anyone else's.

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by Blackmarketeer

 

You can not bite the hand that feeds you no matter how much ratings it will bring with the issue alone.

Remember most of the income of for-profit media outlets does not come from the audiences, but rather from commercial advertisers who are interested in selling products to that audience. This gives corporate sponsors influence over what people see and read and all in favor of information that does not criticize the sponsors’ products or discuss any corporate wrongdoing.

I don't know it is fox or CNN but one of the major outlets investors are from the middle east.

I remember we had a thread on that subject a while back.

Hi Margo,

What you said and a lot more. Now, any foreign Corporation can buy any election they see fit.

We have to thank the conservative justices , and the Presidents who appointed them for all this.

We have a president who is against it, go against Health care of you want, but let's plug this hole before the boat sinks.

All hands on deck, not just the Liberals and left of center.

We can argue our peeves later. This is a real attack on our way of life. As imperfect as it is, it's ours and we have to protect it.


Zigg Strange

Originally posted by Off_The_Street
reply to post by ziggystrange

 

Well, knocking that law down also gives the big unions the same power. For some reason I never see the liberals complaining about allowing that.

I wonder why that is?

Personally, I believe any individual or group should have the freedom to give money to whomever they want, as long as it's their money in the first place.

But it appears to me that you like the idea of having a big, intrusive government tell you what you can and can't do with your own property -- as long as that big, intrusive government can be used for your agenda rather than anyone else's.

Well, then you are misguided, and mistaken.

Screw the Unions, the SCOTUS just gave China and Russia the ability to pick our leaders. That is what your deluded interpretation of the Constitution gave is.

Thank you for helping deliver us from the pan into the fire.


Ziggy Strange

reply to post by Off_The_Street


Remember my friend one big issue with Americas politics, our government is corrupted due to the body of lobbying rats paying to have their choices over the choices that benefits the people.

They buy from both side of the camps, unrestricted money running freely in Washington is like giving a junkies an open supply of drugs.

Our congress has always been influence by lobbyist, now lobbyist pay by big corporations are no needed anymore, all they have to do now is prop their own candidates with the best pay propaganda available, have them elected.

The people now has not way to defend against big money, never had, remember the bailout at our expenses, we have no choices anymore and now we lost anything left if it was any

They like it when you argue for it feeds both pockets.
They are oblivious to emotion, compassion and morals.
They steam forward at all costs.
They answer only to the bottom line.

They are Corporations.

From the latin root,Corporationem,
Formed into a body of action.

Given the same rights as a person, yet it is no person.

Originally posted by ziggystrange

Originally posted by johnny2127
reply to post by ziggystrange

 

Justice Kennedy is actually a liberal.......

No Kennedy is not a liberal, just a traitor, Thomas is a Black guy, and your point is?

Ziggy Strange

My point was just pointing out that you are trying to make this seem like some sort of right wing conspiracy.

Here is the reality; the difference is that some justices see the constitution as a document that can change and they can change it. The other judges believe that you cannot change the constitution through anything else besides constitutional amendment. Those that are strict constitutionalists voted to repeal many of these campaign restrictions. Additionally, legal scholars have long been saying this legislation was unconstitutional.

I wish the restrictions were still in place, although not at the price of sacrificing the constitution. Draft a constitutional amendment and make this thing permanent.

Originally posted by johnny2127

Originally posted by ziggystrange

Originally posted by johnny2127
reply to post by ziggystrange

 

Justice Kennedy is actually a liberal.......

No Kennedy is not a liberal, just a traitor, Thomas is a Black guy, and your point is?

Ziggy Strange

J - My point was just pointing out that you are trying to make this seem like some sort of right wing conspiracy.

Z - It was a conspiracy, it worked. Yes it was engineered by the Conservative movement to facilitate control of the US by $$$ legally.

J - Here is the reality; the difference is that some justices see the constitution as a document that can change and they can change it. The other judges believe that you cannot change the constitution through anything else besides constitutional amendment. Those that are strict constitutionalists voted to repeal many of these campaign restrictions. Additionally, legal scholars have long been saying this legislation was unconstitutional.

Z - All justices see the Constitution as a living document, we should touch it sparingly, but any Justice that believes it to be static, has no business in the Supreme Court.

J - I wish the restrictions were still in place, although not at the price of sacrificing the constitution. Draft a constitutional amendment and make this thing permanent.

Z - At least you are willing to see it done the right way, but it won't happen because the card has been played, and the veil has been lifted. Now we know who wants to control the Nation via external manipulation.

We are now in the real thing, time to open eyes and see the truth.


Ziggy Strange

Originally posted by ziggystrange
undo regulations stopping Corporations from buying elections

Congratulations. You, like so many other naive and gullible liberals before you, have fallen for the propaganda that empowered the unconstitutional McCain/Feingold legislation in the first place.

You oafs were sold a bill of goods about big bad corporations buying elections, and you believed it.

Corporate America doesn't buy elections, because the election process is not how they select leadership in this country. Corporate America buys politicians after they are elected. It's far easier and cheaper.

Now, McCain/Feingold was not about shutting Corporate America out of the election process — it was about SILENCING any legitimate negative campaigning in the last 60 days before an election is held, the period of time during which the voting public is MOST LIKELY to change their minds and switch their votes.

McCain/Feingold was designed to SILENCE you or I or anyone else from revealing damaging information about dirty candidates at the last moment.

McCain/Feingold IS an anti-free-speech law. Always has been. McCain/Feingold was and IS a dirty piece of unconstitutional, anti-American legislation, spearheaded by a couple of the biggest socialist turncoats in Congress: John McCain and Russell Feingold.

It's high time this law was challenged and struck down. The only people who favored the law were liberal socialists who needed to silence dissent in this country so they could climb to the top of the dung pile in Washington.

Good riddance to bad rubbish. May McCain/Feingold rot in Hell.

— Doc Velocity

reply to post by Doc Velocity


Hi Doc,

As usual you can't see the forest for the trees.

The problem is the SCOTUS just gave unfettered license to - FOREIGN INTERESTS.

But you come wobbling in and declare me an oaf.

Well Doc, you are just not living in....REALITY!

So go back to your little fantasy world, and try and figure out just exactly how it is that being run by Corporations affords you an extra ration of Liberty.

It's doesn't you ignorant clown. How dense can you be Doc.

Ziggy Strange

Originally posted by ziggystrange

Originally posted by johnny2127

Originally posted by ziggystrange

Originally posted by johnny2127
reply to post by ziggystrange

 

Justice Kennedy is actually a liberal.......

No Kennedy is not a liberal, just a traitor, Thomas is a Black guy, and your point is?

Ziggy Strange

J - My point was just pointing out that you are trying to make this seem like some sort of right wing conspiracy.

Z - It was a conspiracy, it worked. Yes it was engineered by the Conservative movement to facilitate control of the US by $$$ legally.

J - Here is the reality; the difference is that some justices see the constitution as a document that can change and they can change it. The other judges believe that you cannot change the constitution through anything else besides constitutional amendment. Those that are strict constitutionalists voted to repeal many of these campaign restrictions. Additionally, legal scholars have long been saying this legislation was unconstitutional.

Z - All justices see the Constitution as a living document, we should touch it sparingly, but any Justice that believes it to be static, has no business in the Supreme Court.

J - I wish the restrictions were still in place, although not at the price of sacrificing the constitution. Draft a constitutional amendment and make this thing permanent.

Z - At least you are willing to see it done the right way, but it won't happen because the card has been played, and the veil has been lifted. Now we know who wants to control the Nation via external manipulation.

We are now in the real thing, time to open eyes and see the truth.


Ziggy Strange

Buddy I am a conservative and there is no conspiracy. Conservatives don't want corporations and unions dictating elections either. But we also do not want, and are very fearful and judicial activism. Only one branch writes and passes laws, and that is the legislature. If they are not constitutional, no matter the ramifications, they should be overturned. No exceptions. You have to keep constitutional standards rigid my friend, for if you don't things can get very slippery and very dangerous quickly. Like I said, they need to start pressing for a constitutional amendment if they want corporations and unions locked out again. But when you have a corporation like media that can spew its policy wishes and advocate for a candidate, it is very difficult legally to then restrict other corporations. This needs to be spelled out in constitutional amendment that is clearly worded to not infringe on freedom of speech.

Ziggy sez:
Well, then you are misguided, and mistaken.

Off_the_Street sez:
"Misguided"? I like to think I am guiding myself.

"Mistaken"? My comment was that people, whether acting alone or as part of a group, should have the right to pool their funds to influence others in choosing leaders. are you saying that each of us chould be forbidden to try to convince others? Isn't what you are doing on this forum an attempt by you to try to convince others that your way is right?

You may think it's fine to have the Government tell us whom we can or can't give our money to, but that is your opinion and only an opinion. All I have to go on is the Constitution of the United States which does not permit the government to censor political speech, and the Constitution has been interpreted to consider giving money to political causes as political speech. Now I'm not sure where you're from, Ziggy. Maybe most of the folks in your country put up with -- or even approve of -- such meddling by the Government.

However, here in the US, most of us Americans -- especially those of us who, at one time or another, swore an Oath to protect that Constitution -- take our responsibility -- and our Constitution -- pretty seriously.

Ziggy sez:
Screw the Unions, the SCOTUS just gave China and Russia the ability to pick our leaders. That is what your deluded interpretation of the Constitution gave is.

Off_the_Street sez:
I'm sure that you, as an esteemed and learned scholar of the laws and the Constitution, are aware that the overturning of the campaign reform laws do not overturn the federal law which bans political ads for or against a candidate, nor does it overturn the ban in those states that forbid corporations and unions from contributing directly to candidates. All the court decision means is that unions and corporations (which, remember, are made up of people like you and me) can spend money to speak directly to voters.

And as far as "misguided interpretation", may I refer you to Marbury v Madison (1803)?

Ziggy sez:
Thank you for helping deliver us from the pan into the fire.

Off_the_Street sez:
I think that's just a teensy bit over-reactive.

The ignorance is just plain astounding.

This decision has little to do with McCain\Feingold and has everything to with an overturn of 70+ year old ruling.

Right wing media has been playing this out like it is all about McCain Feingold and it is not.

Moreover, what part of a CORPORATION IS NOT A PERSON do you not get through your thick skulls?

What language do we have to write in that you would understand that MONEY IS NOT SPEECH.

A corporation is nothing more than a piece of paper that absolves shareholders from company expenses.

That's all it is.

Now with this utterly ridiculous decision they have been granted super human voting rights by being able to contribute unfathomable amounts of money to a candidates ad's.

Your logic is not only ridiculous it is by the most anti democratic I have ever seen.

One person has a voice and an arm to pull a lever to vote. A corporation is neither a person, nor voice or an appendage of any kind to pull a lever in a voting booth. Yet, you believe they deserve to sway elections with unlimited marketing.

How in the world can you say you are for the Constitution when this literally tears it asunder.

Unbe#ingleavable.



[edit on 22-1-2010 by AllexxisF1]

reply to post by ziggystrange
But there are Republicans, and Conservative saying this is freedom.

There may be critical response from the right when they realize that this opens the process
to International business influence (ie China) into the USA. Not to belittle giving the
banks more controll the process too?

This is an attack on the very fabric of our nation.
I am stunned, shocked, and angry.