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Conservative Justices Sell The Nation to Corps

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posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 07:30 PM
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Hi Everyone,

Justices Kennedy Roberts Scalia Thomas Alito voted to undo regulations stopping Corporations from buying elections.

From the article NJ.COM

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"With a stroke of the pen, five justices wiped out a century of American history devoted to preventing corporate corruption of our democracy," declared Fred Wertheimer, president of the Washington-based government-watchdog group Democracy 21.
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I sat here and watched Conservatives, Republicans, Right wingers, talk about Corporations , and Obama, and getting their country back.

Well folks. we now know what Conservatism has brought us.

Congratulations, now your worst nightmare came true, and you did it. Not one single liberal, or left justice voted yes.

You own it.

Better change the talking point boys and girls.

Come on, blame Obama, Sotomayor, anybody you want. Conservatives appointed by your freaking heroes, just went poo on you, me and the Constitution. Where is the outrage?

Come on what do you have to say for yourselves? Patriots.

Ziggy Strange




posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 01:46 AM
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Ziggy strange,

Thank you for this thread. I can't believe it's empty.
You had this right all along, I read you posts.

I'm going to Star all the posts I agree with.

Keep it up good friend

CyberStray



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 01:52 AM
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They're waiting for their corporate masters over at Fox News to tell them whether they should be mad or not. So far, all we got was silence from Beck, and giddy joy from Hannity. Palin is probably waiting for polls to come back to tell her how to react, but we all know she now takes her cues from Rupert and the United Corporations of America. She knows she'll have a free ride to the white house if she just does as she's told, and lend her scripted sound-bites to whatever the corporations want said.

On the other hand, Olbermann has actually said something worth listening to - and if you call yourself a PATRIOT, then you should listen to this:

Olbermann: U.S. government for sale:
With no limits on campaign financing, corporations will take over the government



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 02:00 AM
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Funny. I was thinking they sold the US out to the unions, leftist pressure groups like ACORN, NARAL, NAACP, Greenpeace and all of the other jewels of the left, not the corporations. Thanks for setting me straight because I was concerned before and feel much better now.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 02:19 AM
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Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by ziggystrange
 


Funny. I was thinking they sold the US out to the unions, leftist pressure groups like ACORN, NARAL, NAACP, Greenpeace and all of the other jewels of the left, not the corporations. Thanks for setting me straight because I was concerned before and feel much better now.


You can get cute all you want, but all you do is show yourself to be so blind, that you don't know when you just got the shaft.

How about discussing how to fix it?
You want to talk about a bunch of irrelevant gnats, when an Elephant is barreling at you at full trot. What kind of weirdo are you?

It's people like you that got us here. All that BS about ACORN and all your other blabber amounts to zilch.

You may not feel it tomorrow, but give it a few months and watch how things change.

For me, it means more money. Are you a 1%r then rejoice if you have no soul, or sense of Patriotism. If you don't already make over a half a mil, you are screwed. It's a fact smart guy.

You have no idea what just happened, to be talking about yesterdays bs is like ignoring a nuke going off tomorrow.

But dream on, and post on if you want, no matter how much you howl, you will still be a blind bigot headed for not a FEMA camp, but a Walmart one.

You need to wake up and smell the coffee pal, your world just went kaput, and you are the last to know it.

Pitiful

Ziggy Strange



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 02:26 AM
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Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
They're waiting for their corporate masters over at Fox News to tell them whether they should be mad or not. So far, all we got was silence from Beck, and giddy joy from Hannity. Palin is probably waiting for polls to come back to tell her how to react, but we all know she now takes her cues from Rupert and the United Corporations of America. She knows she'll have a free ride to the white house if she just does as she's told, and lend her scripted sound-bites to whatever the corporations want said.

On the other hand, Olbermann has actually said something worth listening to - and if you call yourself a PATRIOT, then you should listen to this:

Olbermann: U.S. government for sale:
With no limits on campaign financing, corporations will take over the government


Hi Black Marketeer,

I watched it tonight, he called it cold. Every word, I tivod it.
Maybe these people will wake up and start to understand they live in a new country.

It's amazing to me that the depth of delusion, and radicalization was so deep, that a disaster has next to no effect on the hypnotized conservatives.

At leas a few started talking, and I have a lot of faith in Cyberstray, he's man enough to admit he got duped.

We need to talk to young people about this.

I intend to beat this to death here at ATS until some of them start to show sense.

Theyre in shock rigth now, with most of the Dems too, but people need to hammer this untol it sinks in.

There is no argument they can make agaist this, it's not a binary issue. It's absolute, and completely destructive.

Keep it up

Ziggy Strange



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 02:57 AM
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Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by ziggystrange
 


Funny. I was thinking they sold the US out to the unions, leftist pressure groups like ACORN, NARAL, NAACP, Greenpeace and all of the other jewels of the left, not the corporations. Thanks for setting me straight because I was concerned before and feel much better now.


Dude

Don;t even start with that, until today, I was saying the same stuff you are, and it's all a bunch of lies.

I thought Ziggy was some Socialist from reading his fights with Republicans and patriots, and conservatives.

He was right dude. Be a man and own it. I admit I got tricked. But no more for this guy here. Conservatives lied to us, and the Republicans think this is a good ruling. That's crazy dude.

Check the news dude. Republicans are saying this is good for free speech.

You should watch the video from msnbc the Olberman dude told it straight.

The Democrats already wrote a bill to reverse it. Dude this is bad news, and you acting like it never happened.

What is the matter with people, I was a big time Conservative but this thing got done by our people.

Thats bogus.

CyberStray


[edit on 22-1-2010 by CyberStray]



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 04:36 AM
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How do you who consider yourselves conservatives, teabaggers, or republicans feel now that your group and ideology are the ones that dealt the final death blow to freedom in this country? I'm just curious to see if the brainwashing will ever lift.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 04:49 AM
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I heard the OP mention we need to think of things to do. There is nothing to do don't you get it? Russ Feingold is ready to propose legislation to curb this vote by the supreme court, but what do you think that will do when they do gain control? They will throw it out ASAP. There is nothing we can do how does nobody understand this? The only possible solution is to stop it before it starts and that means having a revolution NOW! I mean in the next couple of weeks. But that won't happen. Give up we lost. ATS will be closed down because it will be a threat to the corporate state. Anyone who dares challenge the corporate state will be smashed. Our government will be worse than that of China. We will be enslaved and there is absolutely nothing we can do. If I had the money I would leave America now and wait until it reached that country, it won't be to long before the whole world falls to this. We will be a corporate state with veto powers at the UN, the largest most advanced military in the world, and the leader of NATO. It is over, this is officially the New World Order.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 09:56 AM
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Large corporations already own the media, but in the past there were strict rule in place governing how much money a corporation could use to campaign on behalf of a candidate, or how much air time one candidate could get compared to another. Not any more.

Chief Justice Roberts literally handed the Hen House over to the Foxes.

And the silence from the right is almost deafening.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
Large corporations already own the media, but in the past there were strict rule in place governing how much money a corporation could use to campaign on behalf of a candidate, or how much air time one candidate could get compared to another. Not any more.

Chief Justice Roberts literally handed the Hen House over to the Foxes.

And the silence from the right is almost deafening.



After hearing this news , I too am Ashamed of being a Republican Right Now . The Party has been Bought and Paid for ........


Long Live The Republic Inc . ! .................Sigh ..


[edit on 22-1-2010 by Zanti Misfit]



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 11:10 AM
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If Fox News and the right wing media's silence on this was not enough proof.

Yesterdays decision by the Conservatives on the court strikes at the very heart of our Republic.

and still they listen to Hannnity and Rush and think it's no big deal.


When will Conservatives in this country realize they are being used as Judas Goats to destroy this nation.

They stolen elections, started wars on lies, tortured people, spied on Americans, gave the bankers unfathomable amounts of money and now handed our elections to corporations.

Right Wing Media is full of evil people masquerading as Republicans to push their agenda, and people are believing it.

They insist people wake up when the sad reality they are the one's who are living in a dream world.

Hannity actually defending this decision should be the wake up call of the century to you folks.

They made you believe your fellow citizen (Liberals) were the enemy when all along it was them. Lying to you night after night, day after day.

How much more evidence do you need?



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 11:33 AM
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You folks don't get it. The law was unconstitutional, period. Now you may not like it, but to suggest that because the court over-turned it is because they are beholden to corporate interests is immature.

The most critical type of speach is political speach and to the extent that by virtue of funding political is deemed fundamental to having the right to that speach the law must have been over turned. At a corporate level, you have separate and unequal treatment under the law here. Why should a multi-national corporation like GE, who owns a media corporation (NBC) have a massive opportunity to influence the debate regarding political matters, but another company without such a vehicle not have that same right? Why do you think the folks from MSNBC are up in arms? Because this ruling will dictate that other corporations can now compete with them. Nobody watches them, anyway so I don't understand why they are so upset unless they see themselves going the way of Air America.

The corporate interests are no different than the other groups such as unions in terms of their influencing political debate under this ruling. It is a level playing field. You can also get off of your high horse about the "right wing corporate interests". I live in Washington. The largest corporations in this state, Microsoft, Amazon, CostCO, REI, Starbucks are all heavily invested in the liberal agenda, not the conservative. A few others would be 99% of Hollywood, Apple, Google and the majority of Silicon Valley. Corporate interests span the spectrum.

Now you may not like this kind of influence in political discourse. I personally don't. I am also not opposed to 100% public financing of political campaigns for all national offices. I am 100% against a field that has not been defined as level and the the fact that there are no limits to spending, despite the fact that one side may have more resources than the other does not make it uneven.

To the extent that they can not come up with a method to enable this kind of influence to be culled or limited, they must provide a measure, which certainly would be constitutional to mandate absolute disclosure of all contributions and mandate that the disclosure be made easily obtained via the web my the electorate.

Conservatives should be happy with this ruling. We are the group in the country that does not believe the constitution is a living document.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by dolphinfan

Dolphinfan says

D - You folks don't get it. The law was unconstitutional, period. Now you may not like it, but to suggest that because the court over-turned it is because they are beholden to corporate interests is immature.

Z - No you don't get it. This is the culmination of the conservative movement, and all you are doing is rationalizing it.

D - The most critical type of speach is political speach and to the extent that by virtue of funding political is deemed fundamental to having the right to that speach the law must have been over turned. At a corporate level, you have separate and unequal treatment under the law here. Why should a multi-national corporation like GE, who owns a media corporation (NBC) have a massive opportunity to influence the debate regarding political matters, but another company without such a vehicle not have that same right? Why do you think the folks from MSNBC are up in arms? Because this ruling will dictate that other corporations can now compete with them. Nobody watches them, anyway so I don't understand why they are so upset unless they see themselves going the way of Air America.

Z - MSNBC commentators are up in arms because they are not ignoramuses. The 100 years of legislation wiped out is/was Constitutional. Your problem was who authored it.

D - The corporate interests are no different than the other groups such as unions in terms of their influencing political debate under this ruling. It is a level playing field. You can also get off of your high horse about the "right wing corporate interests". I live in Washington. The largest corporations in this state, Microsoft, Amazon, CostCO, REI, Starbucks are all heavily invested in the liberal agenda, not the conservative. A few others would be 99% of Hollywood, Apple, Google and the majority of Silicon Valley. Corporate interests span the spectrum.

Z - Now you're ranting. Where you live is completely irrelevant. I can see New Jersie from the roof of my house, that doesn't make me anything but a New Yorker. Corporate interest have been lobbying the Conservatives to do this for 30 years.


D - Now you may not like this kind of influence in political discourse. I personally don't. I am also not opposed to 100% public financing of political campaigns for all national offices. I am 100% against a field that has not been defined as level and the the fact that there are no limits to spending, despite the fact that one side may have more resources than the other does not make it uneven.

Z - No. I don't like what happened, or what people like you are saying it means, which is nothing but a blind apologists rationalization.

D - To the extent that they can not come up with a method to enable this kind of influence to be culled or limited, they must provide a measure, which certainly would be constitutional to mandate absolute disclosure of all contributions and mandate that the disclosure be made easily obtained via the web my the electorate.

Z - That's obvious, and it's what Alan Grayson did already yesterday, introduce a bill.

D - Conservatives should be happy with this ruling. We are the group in the country that does not believe the constitution is a living document.

Z - Exactly, you should pack up and leave, the Constitution was written as a living document, not a playground for radicals to do their dirty business in. Conservatives are happy, and confused.

Your ability to bullcrap the American populace just took a major blow.
We'll see where Americans weigh in on this.

No amount of irrelevant rationalizations is going to change the fact that this country just had a 1 decision ruling that gives Corporations Super Citizenship.

You are either limited in your ability to think, or you are just complicit in this crime.

Jump up and down all you want, it means nothing but that you are refusing to see the consequences of your ideology.

Ziggy Strange




[edit on 22-1-2010 by ziggystrange]



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 12:46 PM
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Justice Kennedy is actually a liberal.......



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 12:48 PM
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I will have to hold judgement on how this is going to be implemented.

At first I was absolutely against this, now I am wavering on the exact nature of what this is going to cause.

Of course I am against the corporations being allowed to hijack our electoral process. I am also against the hijacking of the electoral process by special interests such as unions and other components like Acorn.

It is getting way out of hand.

Who can we trust, NO ONE, comes to mind.

Just leave me and my labor ALONE! I think the 75% of my labor is WAY out of line and it just keeps getting worse with everyone of these hacks that come into power.

The Repubs take it for their agenda, the Dems take it for their agenda.

I have a great idea, JUST LEAVE ME THE FRELL ALONE.

Quit trying to rule the world, quit trying to help me, quit trying to force your foul items(goods from corps) down my throat and just-

Leave me the frell alone!



How about a new party called The Leave me the # alone Party!



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by Zanti Misfit

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
Large corporations already own the media, but in the past there were strict rule in place governing how much money a corporation could use to campaign on behalf of a candidate, or how much air time one candidate could get compared to another. Not any more.

Chief Justice Roberts literally handed the Hen House over to the Foxes.

And the silence from the right is almost deafening.



After hearing this news , I too am Ashamed of being a Republican Right Now . The Party has been Bought and Paid for ........


Long Live The Republic Inc . ! .................Sigh ..


[edit on 22-1-2010 by Zanti Misfit]


You are not alone my friend, we all got the same poison yesterday.

But there are Republicans, and Conservative saying this is freedom.

Tell them they are lying.

I'm not going to stop harping on this one for a long time.

Thank you for being tough enough to know when you got screwed by your own.

We are together in this, no matter what party identification. Being American takes precedence.

Ziggy Strange



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 12:58 PM
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This isn't about right vs left principles.

What it is about is purely evil people masquerading themselves as Republicans to push an agenda.

That agenda was plain for all to see yesterday.

No American in their right mind would agree that a corporation should have the rights of a human being.

A corporation is nothing but a piece of paper that can be changed at will. Yet that piece of paper deserves super human voting rights by being able to pay for a candidates marketing without limit.

A CORPORATION IS NOT A PERSON AND MONEY IS NOT SPEECH.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 12:58 PM
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What's this going to cause? Well, let's suppose some person who actually has nads left decides to run for office (or re-election, your choice) and is promoting legislation to hold banks, investment firms, etc. liable for risky investment practices (the kinds of activities that tanked the economy). Now, BOA, Chase, Citi et al can pool any amount of money they want to crush/drown-out that person and/or support their opponents. Without limit. Who could possibly fight that? God knows the American voters aren't smart enough to see past it.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by Misoir
I heard the OP mention we need to think of things to do. There is nothing to do don't you get it? Russ Feingold is ready to propose legislation to curb this vote by the supreme court, but what do you think that will do when they do gain control? They will throw it out ASAP. There is nothing we can do how does nobody understand this? The only possible solution is to stop it before it starts and that means having a revolution NOW! I mean in the next couple of weeks. But that won't happen. Give up we lost. ATS will be closed down because it will be a threat to the corporate state. Anyone who dares challenge the corporate state will be smashed. Our government will be worse than that of China. We will be enslaved and there is absolutely nothing we can do. If I had the money I would leave America now and wait until it reached that country, it won't be to long before the whole world falls to this. We will be a corporate state with veto powers at the UN, the largest most advanced military in the world, and the leader of NATO. It is over, this is officially the New World Order.


I see 4 reactions from your camp.

1. Comply, resistance is futile. - YOU

2. It's not a problem it's a good thing - Dolphinfan

3. I have to withhold judgment on this,I want to be left alone - Endisnigh

4. I have been betrayed, I'm not buying any more conservative lies. - Cyberstray

I can live with 3 and 4, but 1 and 2 can burn in hell as cowards, traitors and apologists.


Ziggy Strange



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