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Originally posted by Phage
You've ignored the first part of the paragraph. He is saying that what is real is that there are many smart people finding ways to wreak terror.
The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using
some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some
reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to
construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very
dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written
about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to
devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic-specific so
that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and
others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects
that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an
eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off
earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic
His entire response was specific to a question about a hoaxed attack.
He did not say these things are real, he said there are reports about attempts to develop such things. There is nothing in his statement which says these things are possible or even that he believes they are possible.
Originally posted by Phage
Obviously we look at the statement differently.
My take is the first paragraph is referring to false attacks and false reports and rumors, and the second is saying that in spite of false attacks and false reports, the threat of terrorism in general is real and must be taken seriously (too bad no one seemed to be paying attention).
Maybe if there was a video of the conference we could tell more by his demeanor and intonation but without that it will have to remain ambiguous.
Hugo Chavez never made any statement accusing the US of the earthquake in Haiti.
Originally posted by Off_The_Street
I have never seen any serious evidence that the United States or any other country has a mechanism which can trigger an earthquake (although drilling a 50-mile deep hole near the San Andreas Fault and detonating a thermonuclear weapon in it might be a fun experiment).
Waves traveling through a solid medium can be either transverse waves or longitudinal waves. Yet waves traveling through the bulk of a fluid (such as a liquid or a gas) are always longitudinal waves. Transverse waves require a relatively rigid medium in order to transmit their energy. As one particle begins to move it must be able to exert a pull on its nearest neighbor. If the medium is not rigid as is the case with fluids, the particles will slide past each other. This sliding action which is characteristic of liquids and gases prevents one particle from displacing its neighbor in a direction perpendicular to the energy transport. It is for this reason that only longitudinal waves are observed moving through the bulk of liquids such as our oceans. Earthquakes are capable of producing both transverse and longitudinal waves which travel through the solid structures of the Earth. When seismologists began to study earthquake waves they noticed that only longitudinal waves were capable of traveling through the core of the Earth. For this reason, geologists believe that the Earth's core consists of a liquid - most likely molten iron.
Of two rays of light match each other perfectly in color, they can interact in a surprising way. Because all the crests of one wave have the same wavelength as the second ray the crests of the two waves can be lined up with each other. As each wave crest of one ray coincides with the crest of the other ray, the two amplitudes of the waves add up to twice the amplitude and the result is a single, much brighter light ray. This is called constructive interference. (Probably the only time when it is considered constructive to interfere!)
Interferometry is the science and technique of superposing (interfering) two or more waves, which creates an output wave different from the input waves; this in turn can be used to explore the differences between the input waves. Because interference is a very general phenomenon with waves, interferometry can be applied to a wide variety of fields, including astronomy, fiber optics, optical metrology, oceanography, seismology and various studies of quantum mechanics. Interferometry can be applied to both one-dimensional waves such as time varying signals, or to multi-dimensional waves such as coherent images produced by laser illumination.
Earthquakes come from either the close passage of magma (i.e., on the slopes of an active volcano during eruptions) or from the interaction of tectonic plates deeper in the Earth's crust. No one has ever explained to me how an electromagnetic pulse (especially one aimed to the upper atmosphere like the HAARP device) can cause a shifting of trillions of tons of the Earth's crust, to say nothing of doing so in a way which will "aim" the resulting earthquake with pinpoint accuracy.
The earthquake occurred directly under Tangshan at a depth of 8km (5 miles).
A magnitude 7.1 aftershock 15 hours later caused further destruction and killed many people trapped in collapsed buildings.
The large loss of life caused by the earthquake can be attributed to the time it struck and how suddenly it struck. The earthquake lacked the foreshocks that usually come with earthquakes of this magnitude. It also struck at just before 4 AM, leaving many people unprepared as they lay asleep.Tangshan itself was thought to be in a region with a relatively low risk of earthquakes. Very few buildings had been built to withstand an earthquake, and the city lies on unstable alluvial soil.
28 July 1976
"Just before the first tremor at 3:42 am, the sky lit up like daylight. The multi-hued lights, mainly white and red, were seen up to 200 miles away. Leaves on many trees were burned to a crisp and growing vegetables were scorched on one side, as if by a fireball."
Some New Details on China's Quake
The night preceding the earthquake, July 27-28, many people reported seeing strange lights as well as loud sounds. The lights were seen in a multitude of hues. Some people saw flashes of light; others witnessed fireballs flying across the sky. Loud, roaring noises followed the lights and fireballs. Workers at the Tangshan airport described the noises as louder than that of an airplane.2
The Russian Woodpecker was a notorious Soviet signal that could be heard on the shortwave radio bands worldwide between July 1976 and December 1989. It sounded like a sharp, repetitive tapping noise, at 10 Hz, giving rise to the "Woodpecker" name. The random frequency hops disrupted legitimate broadcast, amateur radio, and utility transmissions and resulted in thousands of complaints by many countries worldwide.
Some colleagues, when questioned about the mechanism of such putative devices, smile knowingly and mention Nikola Tesla. Admittedly, Tesla was a brilliant (and unstable) engineer and inventor, but there is no evidence that he had a secret weapon or device which could do some of the things attributed to it (indeed, some of the so-called Tesla effects, like the Tunguska blast, have been thoroughly debunked).
There is another possible - if wildly improbable - cause of the mysterious event at Tunguska in 1908 (7 September, p 14). One of Nikola Tesla's great projects was the wireless transformation of energy over large distances. He believed that this could be harnessed in war to destroy incoming attacks from over 300 kilometres away.
Tesla built his "death ray" at Wardencliffe on Long Island, and it is a possible that he tested it one night in 1908. The story goes something like this. At the time, Robert Peary was trekking to the North Pole and Tesla asked him to look out for unusual activity. On the evening of 30 June 1908, Tesla aimed his death ray towards the Arctic and turned it on. Tesla then watched the newspapers and sent telegrams to Peary, but heard about nothing unusual in the Arctic.
However, he did hear about the unexplainable event in Tunguska, and was thankful no one was killed, as it was clear to him that his death ray had overshot. He then dismantled his machine, as he felt it was too dangerous to keep it. See www.parascope.com/en/1096/tesdeth.htm for the full story.
US researchers have outlined a relatively simple system that could deliver power to devices such as laptop computers or MP3 players without wires.
The concept exploits century-old physics and could work over distances of many metres, the researchers said
The team from MIT is not the first group to suggest wireless energy transfer.
Nineteenth-century physicist and engineer Nikola Tesla experimented with long-range wireless energy transfer, but his most ambitious attempt - the 29m high aerial known as Wardenclyffe Tower, in New York - failed when he ran out of money.
Physics promises wireless power
With high frequencies, Tesla developed some of the first neon and fluorescent illumination. He also took the first x-ray photographs. But these discoveries paled when compared to his discovery of November 1890, when he illuminated a vacuum tube wirelessly—having transmitted energy through the air.
The development of wireless energy transfer began in earnest with the lectures and patents of the electrical engineer Nikola Tesla (and is described in his 1916 deposition on the history of wireless and radio technology). In experiments around 1899, Tesla was able to light gas discharge lamps (similar to neon signs) from over 25 miles away without using wires. Tesla used a high frequency current (Prodigal Genius, O'Neill; pg 193). During his experiments in Colorado, he lit ordinary incandescent lamps at full candle-power by currents induced in a local loop consisting of a single wire forming a square of fifty feet each side, which includes the lamps, and which was at a distance of one-hundred feet from the primary circuit energized by the oscillator (Century Magazine, June 1900).
We are getting much better at measuring earthquakes and improving in our ability to predict them, but we simply can't trigger them, as much as some of the conspiracy theory people (and warmongers of various persuasions) would like us to.
Originally posted by Phage
Your first quote is talking about mechanical waves, not electromagnetic waves. There are no similarities.
Your second quote is talking about how if you are looking at two flashlights held side by side, it's brighter (big surprise). Unless you are suggesting that HAARP has a nearby twin I don't see the relevance.
The phenomenon of earthquake lights was first recorded in 373 BC. Current theory is that they are a result of seismic activity, not a cause.
Tesla theorized about a "death ray" but the generator was never built. The Wardenclyffe tower was designed for use in communications and the wireless transmission of power. It was never completed. It is absurd to connect Tesla with the Tunguska blast. "Wildly improbable" is a charitable description of that story.
While Tesla did a lot of research with high frequency electricity, it can hardly be said that we are "rediscovering" EM theory that he developed. In fact, we know very much more about the behavior of electromagnetic energy that Tesla ever did.
"As soon as [the Wardenclyffe facility is] completed, it will be possible for a business man in New York to dictate instructions, and have them instantly appear in type at his office in London or elsewhere. He will be able to call up, from his desk, and talk to any telephone subscriber on the globe, without any change whatever in the existing equipment. An inexpensive instrument, not bigger than a watch, will enable its bearer to hear anywhere, on sea or land, music or song, the speech of a political leader, the address of an eminent man of science, or the sermon of an eloquent clergyman, delivered in some other place, however distant. In the same manner any picture, character, drawing, or print can be transferred from one to another place ..." - Nikola Tesla, "The Future of the Wireless Art", Wireless Telegraphy and Telephony, 1908, pg. 67-71.
The "electromagnetic longitudinal waves" of his theories have never been found to exist.
Maxwell's equations lead to the prediction of electromagnetic waves in a vacuum, which are transverse (in that the electric fields and magnetic fields vary perpendicularly to the direction of propagation). However, waves can exist in plasma or confined spaces. These are called plasma waves and can be longitudinal, transverse, or a mixture of both. Plasma waves can also occur in force-free magnetic fields.
In the early development of electromagnetism there was some suggesting that longitudinal electromagnetic waves existed in a vacuum. After Heaviside's attempts to generalize Maxwell's equations, Heaviside came to the conclusion that electromagnetic waves were not to be found as longitudinal waves in "free space" or homogeneous media. But it should be stated that Maxwell's equations do lead to the appearance of longitudinal waves under some circumstances in either plasma waves or guided waves. Basically distinct from the "free-space" waves, such as those studied by Hertz in his UHF experiments, are Zenneck waves. The longitudinal mode of a resonant cavity is a particular standing wave pattern formed by waves confined in a cavity. The longitudinal modes correspond to the wavelengths of the wave which are reinforced by constructive interference after many reflections from the cavity's reflecting surfaces. Recently, Haifeng Wang et al. proposed a method that can generate longitudinal electromagnetic (light) wave in free space, and this wave can propagate without divergence for a few wavelengths.
His famous equations, in their modern form of four partial differential equations, first appeared in fully developed form in his textbook A Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism in 1873. Most of this work was done by Maxwell at Glenlair during the period between holding his London post and his taking up the Cavendish chair. Maxwell expressed electromagnetism in the algebra of quaternions and made the electromagnetic potential the centerpiece of his theory. In 1881 Oliver Heaviside replaced Maxwell’s electromagnetic potential field by ‘force fields’ as the centerpiece of electromagnetic theory. Heaviside reduced the complexity of Maxwell’s theory down to four differential equations, known now collectively as Maxwell's Laws or Maxwell's equations. According to Heaviside, the electromagnetic potential field was arbitrary and needed to be "murdered". A few years later there was a great debate between Heaviside and Peter Guthrie Tait about the relative merits of vector analysis and quaternions. The result was the realization that there was no need for the greater physical insights provided by quaternions if the theory was purely local, and vector analysis became commonplace.
While I've seen that statement about Tesla's "transmission" of power a distance of 40km in several places, I've never seen any verification of it. The results of his experiments at Colorado Springs are vague.
And finally, you're right. None of this has anything to do with HAARP. HAARP uses radar and HF radio waves to study the ionosphere. It doesn't transmit sound waves, it does not produce a "death ray", it cannot control weather, and it cannot cause earthquakes.
Many properties of the earth-ionosphere cavity that have subsequently been mapped in great detail were unknown to Tesla, and a consideration of the earth-ionosphere or concentric spherical shell waveguide propagation parameters as they are known today shows that wireless energy transfer by direct excitation of a Schumann cavity resonance mode is not realizable. "The conceptual difficulty with this model is that, at the very low frequencies that Tesla said that he employed (1-50 kHz), earth-ionosphere waveguide excitation, now well understood, would seem to be impossible with the either the Colorado Springs or the Long Island apparatus (at least with the apparatus that is visible in the photographs of these facilities)."
Originally posted by Phage
I understand that HAARP is capable of heating a region of the ionosphere directly over the installation. I also understand that the region affected is at altitudes of 75km and higher. I also understand that weather occurs at altitudes of 20km and less. I also understand that the atmosphere is generally regarded to end altogether at about 100km. HAARP cannot affect weather, neither directly above Gakona nor anywhere else.
Tesla's idea of a directed energy beam would have been dangerous but it was not related his dream of wireless electricity.
He theorized broadcast electrical power. Broadcasted energy is not the same as directed energy.
Directed energy beams (i.e. lasers and particle beams) are being developed but HAARP is neither of these.
So, you are confident that HAARP has weapons capability but you have no evidence or reason for that confidence. How nice.
This transmitter in Alaska, besides providing a world class research facility for ionospheric physics, could allow earth- penetrating tomography over most of the northern hemisphere. Such a capability would permit the detection and precise location of tunnels, shelters, and other underground shelters.
One of the first ideas came mid-decade from Bernard Eastlund, a physicist working for oil-and-gas conglomerate Atlantic Richfield. Arco had the rights to trillions of cubic feet of natural gas under Alaska's North Slope. The problem had always been how to get that gas to the port at Valdez. Eastlund had a better idea: Use the gas onsite to fuel a giant ionospheric heater. Such a facility, he wrote in a series of patents, could fry Soviet missiles in midflight or maybe even nudge cyclones and other extreme weather toward enemies. That's right: weaponized hurricanes.
Originally posted by Phage
Please provide a mechanism whereby electromagnetic waves can be converted to mechanical/compression waves in earth (or air for that matter).