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Did the Communists actually win the cold war?

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posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 04:55 PM
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Let's take the time to understand what communism is.



Communism is a social structure in which classes are abolished and property is commonly controlled, as well as a political philosophy and social movement that advocates and aims to create such a society. Karl Marx, the father of communist thought, posited that communism would be the final stage in society, which would be achieved through a proletarian revolution and only possible after a socialist stage develops the productive forces, leading to a superabundance of goods and services.

Communist regimes, all inspired only by the Leninist current, have historically been authoritarian, repressive, and coercive governments concerned primarily with preserving their own power.

Marx states that the only way to solve these problems is for the working class (proletariat), who according to Marx are the main producers of wealth in society and are exploited by the Capitalist-class (bourgeoisie), to replace the bourgeoisie as the ruling class in order to establish a free society, without class or racial divisions.

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Communism (1952)



Are you a communist?



Welcome to the New World Order comrades.




posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 05:19 PM
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The USA spent the USSR into total bankruptcy in the 1980s,winning the cold war. Unfortunately Russia is building Herself back up.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 05:25 PM
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I've actually thought the collapse was a calculated event.

Seems that they can now do many things under the surface and we are not paying nearly as close attention as we once would have. Additionally they can use our own method to restart their economy while transferring oceans of national wealth to the proper hands like a trust.

This isn't based on anything other than my own speculation and thoughts of what I would do if I was in their shoes.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 05:28 PM
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Which American political party do you prefer?

Democrats



Republican



Congress



All worshiping Mammon the god of security





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posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 05:29 PM
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I would take Fascism-Nazism over Communism-Stalinism.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by BigDaveJr

I would take Fascism-Nazism over Communism-Stalinism.


Why do you prefer Facism - Nazism?



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 05:42 PM
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I just said if i had to choose from the two opposite philosophies,I would choose Fascism-Nazism because I'm a right winger myself(And Hate Communism).



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by BigDaveJr
reply to post by In nothing we trust
 


I just said if i had to choose from the two opposite philosophies,I would choose Fascism-Nazism because I'm a right winger myself(And Hate Communism).


Appologies.

I worded my question impropery. I should have said 'would' not 'do'.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 05:47 PM
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What seriously so your gonna allow Jews and other non whites to die



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 05:51 PM
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No,I would be against that(I'm not for Genocide)!



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by KrazyJethro

I've actually thought the collapse was a calculated event.

Seems that they can now do many things under the surface and we are not paying nearly as close attention as we once would have. Additionally they can use our own method to restart their economy while transferring oceans of national wealth to the proper hands like a trust.

This isn't based on anything other than my own speculation and thoughts of what I would do if I was in their shoes.


A hidden demonic power transfer?

Does the central commitee decide who gets how much, based upon party loyalty or some other measure?

How much can be made off the scheme by making the right connections?

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posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 06:56 PM
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Real communism is supposed to be good. But we'll never see it.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by ickylevel

Real communism is supposed to be good. But we'll never see it.


Oh what a tangeled web has been woven.

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Humankind's history is fundamentally that of the struggle between social classes.

en.wikipedia.org...




Marxism - an atheist view of human liberation




Class consciousness denotes the awareness — of itself and the social world — that a social class possesses, and its capacity to rationally act in their best interests; hence, class consciousness is required before they can effect a successful revolution.




Although Marx was intensely critical of institutionalized religion including Christianity, some Christians have "accepted the basic premises of Marxism and attempted to reinterpret Christian faith from this perspective."

Marxism as a tool of social analysis can disclose the gap between appearance and reality, and thereby help Christians to see how things really are.

en.wikipedia.org...



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posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 02:17 AM
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Originally posted by ickylevel
Real communism is supposed to be good. But we'll never see it.


Real, minimally-taxed capitalism is supposed to be good, either.




posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 12:42 AM
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Remember Ronald Reagan the actor president?





Reagan implemented policies based on supply-side economics and advocated a classical liberal and laissez-faire philosophy, seeking to stimulate the economy with large, across-the-board tax cuts.

Reagan also revised the tax code with the bipartisan Tax Reform Act of 1986.

During Reagan's tenure, income tax rates of the top personal tax bracket dropped from 70% to 28% in 7 years, while social security and medicare taxes increased.

en.wikipedia.org...


He increased our national debt.



In order to cover new federal budget deficits, the United States borrowed heavily both domestically and abroad, raising the national debt from $700 billion to $3 trillion, and the United States moved from being the world's largest international creditor to the world's largest debtor nation. Reagan described the new debt as the "greatest disappointment" of his presidency.

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He brought down the Berlin wall.



He defeated communism.



Or did they defeat us?



posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 12:47 AM
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I say, go for Marxism - he says the wealthy feed off the poor (true). That the workers are what keeps economies going (true).

And that the only way to go forward is for all to be equal - also true, but, sadly, I don't see how we can accomplish that.



posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 01:03 AM
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Did the Communists actually win the cold war?


Absolutely not.

In the immortal words of Jimi Hendrix:

Uh, let me prove it to you....






The Red Army Choir:
Sweet Home Alabama


To The Point News reports on something that would have made Khrushchev take both shoes off and bang along with the Red Army Choir to "Sweet Home Alabama." Prepare yourself for this one - maybe with a Stoli martini or two.

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posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 01:14 AM
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Originally posted by OBE1

Absolutely not.

Uh, let me prove it to you....






Интересно, они поют "Freebird" "простые и человек" в русский






[edit on 24-1-2010 by In nothing we trust]



posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 01:37 AM
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