"Lost Atlantis possibly found in southern spain"

“Het bewijs dat suggereert dat het verhaal van Atlantis niet louter fictie, een fabel of mythe is, stapelt zich op,” vertelt de Cubaanse archeoloog Georgos Diaz-Montexano. Hij zocht de afgelopen vijftien jaar naar Atlantis, maar is niet betrokken bij het onderzoek in Zuid-Spanje. “Atlantis bevindt zich niet precies waar de CSIC (Spaanse Hoge Raad voor Wetenschappelijk Onderzoek, red.) nu zoekt, maar is in de buurt.”

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Archeologists have started searching in southern Spain for a 3000 year old civilization. Which would be buried in a swamp area near the mouth of the Guadalquiverriver. Some think that the investigation wil lead in finding the lost city of Atlantis.


The Spanish archeologists believe that Tartessos, a rich civilization which still existed before the Phoenicians had its capital in the present Donana national parc. Historicists have always held this place as a possible living place, because they except that the ground there has been under water since the ice age. New evidence shows that the people had enough time to build a city. Which would later be destroyed by a tsunami.

The Hinojosswamps lay right next to the mouth of the Guadalquiveriver and the Atlantic ocean. The changes that the area hides a city, is growing with the day; archeologists have confirmed the existence of Tartessos trhough finds. On an areal photo from the area we can see circles and squares. These couldn't have been made by nature. This proof and the Griek literature where the writers of Tartessos speak of, make the find of a lost city more viable.

The civilization of Tartessos would have evolved in the 11th and 7th century before christ in southern of Spain. The people were rich because of the trade of gold and silver out of the local mining areas. The Spanish archeologists do not want to speculate on the possibilitie about the capital city of Tartessos being Atlantis, but the civilization is asociated with Atlantis allot of the times.

"The evidence that suggests that the story of Atlantis isn't just fiction, or a fabel or a myth, is ghatering." Says de cuban archeologist Georgos Diaz-Montexano. For the past 15 years he has been looking for Atlantis, but he isn't affiliated with the research team in southern Spain. "Atlantis isn't located directly on the spot where the SHSI (Spanisch high council for scientific investigation) is now searching, but they are close."




I had some hard time translating and i hope this post isn't up from a english source because that would be frustrating ^^



people, this is pretty big news btw



[edit on 21-1-2010 by colloredbrothers]

Sorry to frustrate you i read this a few days ago on rense and the source came from a english newspaper.

you did a pretty good job translating anyway.

cheers

This is what is most likely atlantis:

www.thinkingseriously.com...

off the shores of Cyprus. Its also strategically located.

and

www.telegraph.co.uk...

According to Mr Sarmast the latest evidence matches exactly the detailed description of Atlantis given by Plato.

"There are about 60 specific points that match Plato's account," he said. "How can you explain away a bunch of coincidences like this?"

This places and advanced civilization in Europe and close to Egypt and the middle east, ie Sumeria with carbon dating finding conclusions on artifacts fact, for example in the Bosnian pyramid, being over 30,000 years old.

www.bosnianpyramid.com...
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bpblognews.blogspot.com...

The finding of wooden fragment inside Ravne tunnel complex in November 2007 was welcomed with enthusiasm by the foundation APBPS. The permanent archaeologist of the foundation, Mr. Andrew Lawler, has taken two samples of the wooden fragment and has sent them to two different laboratories in Kiel, Germany and Oxford, UK; while a third sample of the wooden fragment has been sent by Dr. Muris Osmanagic and Eng. Goran Cakic to another laboratory in Gliwice, Poland. In order to assure reliable results of the laboratory analysises every team worked independently and none of the three laboratories has been informed that another laboratory is performing the C-14 dating of the same wooden fragment.

The results are:

1. The Polish laboratory of the Silesian Institute in Gliwice estimated the age of the wooden fragment 34,000 BP. The polish team was very surprised by the result, because never before the radiocarbon dating procedure of a wood fragment has obtained such result in their laboratories. The oldest sample of wood they have tested so far was 5,000 years old. When Dr. Anna Pazdur and Dr. Andrzej Rakowski visited the underground tunnel complex Ravne they have declared that according to their opinion “Ravne is the oldest underground tunnel complex in European history".

Prof. Anna Pazdur C-14 Report


2. The Leibniz-Laboratory for Radiometric Dating and Stabel Isotope Research of Christian Albrecht University, Kiel, Germany, estimated an age of 31,000 BP. As expected, the German laboratory has achieved the C-14 dating of the sample very professionally, affordably and fast.

Andrew Lawler C-14 Report (Leibnitz-Laboratory for Radiometric Dating, Kiel, Germany)


3. The Research Laboratory for Archaeology and History of Art, University of Oxford,UK, firstly replied that they are not able to achieve radiocarbon dating of the sample because their laboratory instruments were out of use (damaged). Afterwards, even if the sample they have received was of same quality and quantity like those sent to Germany and Poland, the laboratory of the University in Oxford started to claim that the sample they have received is not organic material, but just soil and non-organic material, and later they added that nothing left of the sample they were testing…(?).

Answer of the Laboratory of Archaeology at Oxford University

Despite the “impossibility” of the Research Laboratory at Oxford University of determining the age of the wooden fragment found in Ravne tunnel complex, we are satisfied with seeing other laboratories which are very capable of doing it.

And the results are sensational:

We have the evidence of intelligent human activity in the heart of the Balkans, in Bosnia and Herzegovina, in Visoko, dating more than 30,000 years ago!

Not too long ago it was discovered that carbon dating is out and actually gives younger results, so the actual time could be as much as tripled, ie. sophisticated culture as much as 100,000 years ago.

It seems very likely the Cyprus location is correct as it puts a civilization in the same area of the world, Europe with Egypt and Sumeria just across the meditarranean sea.

By the way this is a really fantastic find and they could all very well be linked and be a part of the same civilzation.

Just because radiocarbon dating has its limitations is not reason enough to start assuming correcting factors (how exactly one reaches the conclusion that we can triple the result? Why not 10-fold? Why not 300,000 years old? What stops us?).

It could be 100,000 years old if we assume one thing, Neanderthal civilization. We have yet to find any signs of "civilization" though attributed to Neanderthals, we do have evidence of their presence in many areas in Europe but nothing that classifies as civilization yet (some kind of sign of permanent settlement, some kind of "record", be it writing of some sort or art, some indication of religious aspects in their lives). In the absence of this kind of evidence we can either accept the dating as "more or less correct" or continue speculating.

If we accept the theory that there was only one successful migration out of Africa, for modern humans (or Homo Sapiens), at around 80,000-85,000 years ago AND the lack of any sign of Neanderthal civilization other than their tools and hunting equipment we are "forced" to assume a date not far from that which came up from the 2 labs mentioned above.

BTW it's like new civilizations are found every day, nowadays :p

Iv seen a couple more threads about ancient civilizations. Maybe Atlantis wasn't the only high tech civilization maybe there where more Atlantises so to speak.

I think if we keep our archeological step up we will find very very interesting things that might clear up some things for us.

1. It isn't old enough, although it could be a later addition to a port used by the Atlanteans. They were supposedly seafaring people, and one would assume that they would go back and forth between Europe, Africa, Atlantis, and North and South America. So they might have ports in these places.

2. I'm pretty sure Plato said it was an island. This ain't no island.

If you're going to pick and choose specifics from Plato's description, then you can find Atlantis anywhere, including the Moon. (A "space" port city in a crater with concentric rings?)

Nope. Follow Plato's list, and you end up in the Azores, and a possibly larger piece of the Azores Plateau that once was above sea level but is now and for a long time now deep under water.

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If you read around a little, you'll realise that the Bosnian Pyramid is a figment of Osmanagić' imagination. The concept is being supported by the Bosnian Govt as an inroad into the tourism market.

The last time I looked (last year), there wasn't a single reputable archaeologist or scholar that believes him. Numerous expeditions have been undertaken and nothing of substance has turned up. No peer reviewed papers support his claims. IIRC he was citing an old dry stone wall as part of the pyramid structure and used the images as evidence!

I would tend to agree with the 1 and a 1/4 mile marksman, in respects to the Age of this area and the generally considered 8000 BC (For estimation sake) for the time period of Atlantis.

With that noted, I would also like to clearly say, finding evidence of Atlantis influences in this region, would likely reveal similiar types of "Finds" such as we have seen in the Canaries.

I am one who does believe the Straits of Gibralter are the Pillars of Hercules, and that Atlantis would have been oriented west of Africa and Europa.

But I also believe it's "Span or Reach" extended from the Med to the Carribean.

None the less, ANY HISTORICAL FINDS in the region associated with Tartessos would be very interesting to see and I look forward to any such news in the future.

I would be interested in their "PRESUMED" history and some of the records which would possibly define exactly why we find some of their Kings with exxxtreemme lifespans. Such as King Arganthonios.

According to Herodotus, King Arganthonios ruled Tartessia for 80 years, from 630 BC to 550 BC. Much of this Tartessian dynasty is told in legends, so no one knows what part is actually historical. According to legend, the gods caused his birth after his grandmother, a queen of Tartessos, begged them to give her a male heir to the throne. Since the gods favored the enemies of the Tartessians, they delayed at most the petition, but after realizing she would lose faith in them, granted her request. Nevertheless, they came up with a cruel scheme. Arganthonios, as he was named, would mature every 2 years, making him live twice as much as a normal human being. His name derived from the fact his skin was silvery in color. He is said by the Greeks to have lived for 120 years while others state that he lived a longer 150 years. His empire consisted of all of Andalucía and extended to the Cabo de la Nao (a cape east of the Costa Blanca, south of the Gulf of Valencia).......

Arganthonios

Have a good day and awaiting any new updates.

Ciao

Shane

The ancient Phoenician port of Gades was also in southern Spain. Gades, or Gadir was one of the ten sons of Poseidon, who was the sea god to the Greeks. This sea god was the one who created the ringed Atlantian city mentioned in the Critias. I believe the Phoenicians were the ones who promoted the Atlantis legend in Egypt and it may have come from one of them living in Egypt long before Solon’s visit. The Phoenician could have told amazing stories about his ancestry that produced the empire. Ancient cities were named after the fathers who started them. Gades could have been one father and Atlas could have been another. They both would have been living in different regions. I am of the opinion that all the names of the ten sons were ancient Phoenician cities around the Atlantic ocean. When the story says Atlantis sinks it could have meant that all the ten cities sunk as well. This recent find in southern Spain could be the real Gades that sunk when the Atlantis empire received divine judgment. Whereas Atlas' portion sank in the Caribbean.

Basque mythology continues the journey down the rabbit hole, which also comes from Spain. There are mythological links connecting the Basque to the Olmecs in Mexico.

It is funny that Cortez is also from Spain because Moctezuma, king of the Aztec empire, was expecting his prophetic return.


[edit on 22-1-2010 by lostinspace]

There are dozens of sunken cities in and around the med, proof that coastal cities in this area were susceptible to "soil liquifaction" from earthquakes and flooding. None meet the very descriptive passages from Plato's texts.

Originally posted by lostinspace
I believe the Phoenicians were the ones who promoted the Atlantis legend in Egypt and it may have come from one of them living in Egypt long before Solon’s visit.

Long ago I speculated that the Pheonicians simply planted this fable in the eastern med to keep people out of the western med and the atlantic. There where vital trade routes there that I'm sure they didnt want want to share... What better way to stop ships than a mythological impassable straight brought by divine wrath?

[edit on 24-1-2010 by merka]

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Maybe if Greece had not destroyed the city of Tyre we could have had preserved documents that would have backed up their Monopoly campaign for disinformation about the Atlantic ocean.


Tyre

Merchants (Wall Street) of the ancient world. They wanted to control the market.

The commerce of the ancient world was gathered into the warehouses of Tyre. "Tyrian merchants were the first who ventured to navigate the Mediterranean waters; and they founded their colonies on the coasts and neighbouring islands of the Aegean Sea, in Greece, on the northern coast of Africa, at Carthage and other places, in Sicily and Corsica, in Spain at Tartessus, and even beyond the pillars of Hercules at Gadeira (Cádiz)".

en.wikipedia.org...

If Atlantis is really their making I wonder who chose to design it that way?

I am inclined to think that Carthage inspired the elephant element for Atlantis.