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Supreme Court Removes Limits on Corporate, Labor Donations to Campaigns

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posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by ChrisCrikey

Kennedy Roberts Scalia Thomas Alito

READ IT Einstein.

The conservative justices were the ones that voted yes.
Read the article. This is what your great freaking conservative movement has brought you.

You screwed the entire country. There is no blaming this on liberal or leftists this falls directly on the lap of the conservative right.

Morons now have given the corporations license to buy the Presidency.

Congratulations conservatives, you just made the worst move in history.

Ziggy Strange


Thanks, Ziggy. It's amazing how few people here seem to realize this is the culmination of Republican philosophy...or at the very least the Republican president's philosphy who they have voted for. It is a %100 conservative ruling. If President Obama gets the opportunity to appoint and new Supreme Court Justice the balance of power may be evened out and this travesty will be over-turned.

In the meantime I hope Democrats and sane conservatives, Republicans, Libertarians and independents will be working hard and trying to figure out a way to ameliorate the devastating effect this will have on our country.


Thank you! I was starting to think I was in a freaking dream.

I'm not letting go of this one, no way.

I want people to understand what this means.

I thought they were serious, apparently, it's just a role playing game.

I'm totally blown away by the lack of recognition when something actually happens.

By the way, a Democrat Alan Grayson, just introduced a bill to stop the Corps from doing it without the consent of the stock holders. I see no Republican conservative traitors doing this.

Thank you

Ziggy Strange

[edit on 21-1-2010 by ziggystrange]




posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 09:18 PM
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It is noteworthy to mention that Ireland's Government is virtually bankrupt same as here.

Well, I am not rich, so when Healthcare reform legislation is proposed that will end up costing $15,000/yr out of my pocket for a Government "approved" HC Insurance policy or risk heavy fines and imprisonment, I take exception. The result, in my case, is we will have to give up our home to stay out of prison. Tell me, besides the insurance company, who is benefiting?

The legislation does not provide universal coverage and does nothing to lower costs.

They say it will lower the National fiscal deficit, which tells me that in order to offset long term accumulated irresponsible actions by politicians in our Government, our family and, more importantly, my children, will be forced to live like paupers despite the fact that I have spent years working to give my family a decent life. Then I should be more than willing and happy to do this in order to give other people, who have not contributed to their own success in life, the opportunity to continue to not contribute, but now to do so at a higher standing of living at my expense.




[edit on 21-1-2010 by mrbarber]



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 09:22 PM
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While a lot of you have been sitting on your on your brains "changing the world" on a blog I've been working in the trenches of third party politics for twenty some odd years. Going door to door, speaking to people face to face about the sad sorry state of our country. It's easy to be self righteous, judgemental, and humorless when you can hide behind a pseudonym and a computer. You know, losing the ability to laugh at oneself. should be considered a serious form of mental illness. You seriously think I don't know how serious this is. Now it's going to be even harder for alternative candidates to get on any ballot. Get out of the house and talk to some folks. They're not the sheeple everyone makes them out to be.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by mrbarber
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It is noteworthy to mention that Ireland's Government is virtually bankrupt same as here.

Well, I am not rich, so when Healthcare reform legislation is proposed that will end up costing $15,000/yr out of my pocket for a Government "approved" HC Insurance policy or risk heavy fines and imprisonment, I take exception. The result, in my case, is we will have to give up our home to stay out of prison. Tell me, besides the insurance company, who is benefiting?

The legislation does not provide universal coverage and does nothing to lower costs.

They say it will lower the National fiscal deficit, which tells me that in order to offset long term accumulated irresponsible actions by politicians in our Government, our family and, more importantly, my children, will be forced to live like paupers despite the fact that I have spent years working to give my family a decent life. Then I should be more than willing and happy to do this in order to give other people, who have not contributed to their own success in life, the opportunity to continue to not contribute, but do so at a higher standing of living at my expense.





Your entire post is off topic.

Please stay on topic.

Ziggy Strange



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 09:23 PM
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No, thank YOU, Ziggy. Being exposed to a lot people in the political threads who don't read any history let alone the subject on which the thread is based tends to make me feel like I'm in a weird nightmare too and ATS is one of the most conservative sites I visit.

It's astonishing how many people here don't realize who the conservative Supreme Court Justices are...but I suspect there are a lot of young people here who don't vote and also people who don't know which justices on the SCOTUS were nominated by which presidents. Sorry I didn't do the quote thing correctly in my original response to you.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 09:26 PM
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Well, Obama has served his purpose and now the corporations are back on track for overt control. This is a pattern dating back to at least Ronald Reagan, with the rescinding of many of the anti-trust laws and cutting funding to those who fought the monopolizing of the market:


Enabling a corporate merger frenzy. The administration effectively re-wrote antitrust laws and oversaw what at the time was an unprecedented merger trend. "There is nothing written in the sky that says the world would not be a perfectly satisfactory place if there were only 100 companies, provided that each had 1 percent of every product and service market," said Reagan's antitrust enforcement chief William Baxter.


Remembering Reagan


Throughout the 1980s, political conservatism in federal enforcement complemented the Supreme Court's doctrine of nonintervention. The administration of President Ronald Reagan reduced the budgets of the FTC and the Department of Justice, leaving them with limited resources for enforcement. Enforcement efforts followed a restrictive agenda of prosecuting cases of output restrictions and large mergers of a horizontal nature (involving firms within the same industry and at the same level of production). Mergers of companies into conglomerates, on the other hand, were looked on favorably, and the years 1984 and 1985 produced the greatest increase in corporate acquisitions in the nation's history.


West's Encyclopedia of American Law: ANTITRUST LAW

The lax regulation on corporate monopolizing allowed corporations to become the bloated entities we have today, known under the threatening moniker of "too big to fail!" The companies then commenced with cutting costs to further fund their saturation of the markets: less employees means more money to open new stores and branches and corporate offices in various parts of America and the world. American employees, that is: jobs fled this country to take advantage of Free Trade Zones in the Third World, simultaneously benefiting from the unstable social and political climates and integrating the concept known as Globalization. This mainly happened during the administrations of George H.W. Bush (some 200-300 companies closed up shopped and moved for sweatshops of developing countries during his administration) and Bill Clinton (NAFTA, which originated in the Bush Sr. administration, saw the loss of 879,280 US jobs).

Things moved into overdrive with George W. Bush: we saw the "war economy" inflate following the invasion of Afghanistan and the bogus War in Iraq - and people are just now starting to broach the fact that soldiers aren't the only thing invading these countries: American brand names such as Coca-Cola and McDonalds are popping up across the landscape. The first bailouts would begin under Bush.

But Bush was almost universally hated, confirming much of the left's criticism of the right. Something had to be done and the answer came strolling in with Barack Obama: a president who seemed to espouse the radical ideas of actually caring about the working poor and underprivileged. But in the end, that was lies as well and the corporations implemented "lemon socialism" to keep themselves afloat while robbing the taxpayer blind.

There seems to be the possibility, however, that Obama had a little fight left in him, having been used by Wall Street for their own ends:


WASHINGTON — President Obama laid down his proposal for a new tax on the nation’s largest financial institutions on Thursday, saying he wanted “to recover every single dime the American people are owed” for bailing out the economy.


NY Times: Taxing Banks for the Bailout

Too little, too late, Obama: the damage is done. Just days after you announce what may be the first idea in your administration that didn't have a corporatized ulterior motive, the Supreme Court demolishes one hundred years of advancement and progress. We've been instantly launched back into the heyday of American capitalism: the era of Standard Oil and Dupont, of the Rockefellers and the Morgans, of the Robber Baron.



[edit on 21-1-2010 by Someone336]



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by concernedcitizan
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You seriously think I don't know how serious this is. Now it's going to be even harder for alternative candidates to get on any ballot.



I'll let go the personal aspersions and just say, right, I don't see your reaction as rational. However exaggerated you may think mine is, the sky did finally just fall, so forgive me for calling out the chicken littles and asking them to help in the clean up phase.

Ziggy Strange



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 09:33 PM
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We're either all in this together. Or we just admit defeat and walk off the field. The choice is ours. I prefer the latter.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 09:35 PM
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Well, if you intend to admonish off topic posts, I would appreciate it if you would do so consistantly. Mine was a reply to a post, equally off topic, on Pg 5 of this thread, but no mention there. If you 're not going to address them all, I think you should just mind your own business,

[edit on 21-1-2010 by mrbarber]



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 09:47 PM
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Well kiddies,

What say you today?

Was today a first shot in your new movement? Conservative, Republican, Tea Party, Libertarian, Truthers, Birthers, Patriots?

Will you just close your eyes, cover your ears, and remain silent?

Where is the outrage at the actions taken today by the 5 conservative Supreme Court Justices? 100 years of Corporate regulation gone in an instant, like your credibility.

If you are not a hypocrite you should be demanding a reversal right now.

Congratulations, now your worst nightmare came true, and you did it. Not one single liberal, or left justice voted yes.

The thread is in my signature. Nobody came, I wonder why?

I'd love to hear what you all think about this gem.

Seriously are you all going to sit there and say nothing?

If this had been decided by the left, I would close my account here and hide in shame.

You may not want to hear it, you may not want to admit it, or acknowledge it but it's true, "YOU" did it to this country.

Now you are going to find out how real Americans do it. You will sit here and do nothing but try to think of a way to blame it on Obama and the left.

Not going to happen.

Like death, this my dear confused friends, is the real thing.

Starts tomorrow, if people sit back, by November you will see the new Corporate face of America. You think we had problems today?

You will now see what happens when a Nation steps on a land mine.

You can thank whatever you believe in that there is a Centrist in office, your freaking future now depends on your favorite scapegoat.

Get off your pompous # and do something.

You have been here for years warning about doom.

DOOM IS HERE BUBBA

This is it. The problem is your NWO, is the NUCS New United Corporate States, ala Rollerball.

It was not provided by the left. It was the right, and every one of you is complicit. You own it.

Are you going to help reverse it?

Will you now at least wake up and face the real enemy?

Will you now desist from your bigotry, and intolerance long enough to actually do something for your Country?

Will you spend any energy on the real thing? or is that no fun anymore?

Come out and say something. Shout it out like you bellow about Obama.

Where is all the Founding Father rhetoric now?

Were did freedom go? Is this new Liberty acceptable to you?

I don't see any of the Patriots I know here saying squat.

Shame on you all.



Ziggy Strange



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 09:48 PM
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Wow. I'm outraged.

And I'm not even American!

The part that gets me the most about this isn't the fact Corporate America is pulling the strings to put whoever they want in office. I believe they've already been doing this for a long long time, whether it's officially on the books or not.

It's the fact they're just being SO BLATANTLY OBVIOUS about it now. It's the same thing with the bailout last year.

They don't even have enough respect for the common people to do this the underhanded shady way anymore. They're just throwing it right in everyone's face and saying "You know what? You sheep are all TOO stupid, lazy and apathetic to do anything about it anyway".

The saddest part is if they get away with it again like they did the bailout - they're totally right



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 09:48 PM
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It doesn't matter guys.

We were never in the business to begin with.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 09:57 PM
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When the majority of ATS and Keith Olbermann agree on something then this is the day that hell truly has frozen over!

I don't even know what to say to this, other than to hope that President Obama is telling the truth when he says he is going to congress to try and fix this. I can't believe I said that. "My only hope is THE PRESIDENT"

Let's all remember what side of the aisle these judges reside.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 10:00 PM
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Ziggy,

You need to stop lashing out everyone. i'm a conservative/libertarian...and there is no way in hell I would ever support this...I don't know how anyone could.

People don't understand what we just gave international corporations. They now have the power to EASILY corrupt/blackmail politicians. Corporations that do not care at all for the United States and it's sovereignty...let alone the middle class which has all but disappeared.

Cool it some. I know u are angry...I am as well.

Just because someone is conservative does not mean they support this.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by Cowgirlstraitup7
When the majority of ATS and Keith Olbermann agree on something then this is the day that hell truly has frozen over!

I don't even know what to say to this, other than to hope that President Obama is telling the truth when he says he is going to congress to try and fix this. I can't believe I said that. "My only hope is THE PRESIDENT"

Let's all remember what side of the aisle these judges reside.


He is going to try to fix it, and people better never ever forget who did it and why.

You watch, I'm only thankful it's not McPalin in charge, or this would be declared a national holiday.

The Republicans are saying it's freedom of speech!


Ziggy Strange



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 10:04 PM
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Oh please. Save the drama.

The current administration is as much hogwash as the current republicans are. So save me the crap about, "You better remember who saved the day."

That's even IF he does anything about, which I doubt. The administration will just skirt about it forever, make many press conferences and stage events on talk shows, but that's about it. If by some miracle Obama gets rid of it, then you can expect to see something worse, or on the same level, in the next few weeks courtesy of Obama himself.

They'll feign genuine concern for about 2 months, then do whatever else they have in mind. Just another sleight of hand game.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by David9176
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Ziggy,

You need to stop lashing out everyone. i'm a conservative/libertarian...and there is no way in hell I would ever support this...I don't know how anyone could.

People don't understand what we just gave international corporations. They now have the power to EASILY corrupt/blackmail politicians. Corporations that do not care at all for the United States and it's sovereignty...let alone the middle class which has all but disappeared.

Cool it some. I know u are angry...I am as well.

Just because someone is conservative does not mean they support this.



I thank you,

But it's not like many conservatives are willing to be as frank as you, did you read this thread?

I don't mean to yell too much, but, the time for dallying os over.

Look, I benefit from this personally. But it completely freaks me out that it happened, and with good reason.

I know not "all" whatevers are irrational, just most when it comes to Obama, this is the perfect storm. Whomever is at the top just said "Check".

Are you going to wait for them to say "Mate" ??

Ziggy Strange



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 10:08 PM
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David, I have the utmost respect for you but it was, after all the 5 conservative judges who ruled in favor of this - all of whom were nominated by conservative Presidents and brought in by Republicans and I think Ziggy and I are frustrated that there are so many people on ATS who don't realize that. The 4 liberal judges ruled against. What is not to understand about that and why are so many here unaware of it?

Where are the other conservatives besides you expressing their outrage and targeting it appropriately?

Oh, and Ziggy, please note - McCain did say he was "disappointed".



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by SyphonX
reply to post by ziggystrange
 


Oh please. Save the drama.

The current administration is as much hogwash as the current republicans are. So save me the crap about, "You better remember who saved the day."

That's even IF he does anything about, which I doubt. The administration will just skirt about it forever, make many press conferences and stage events on talk shows, but that's about it. If by some miracle Obama gets rid of it, then you can expect to see something worse, or on the same level, in the next few weeks courtesy of Obama himself.

They'll feign genuine concern for about 2 months, then do whatever else they have in mind. Just another sleight of hand game.


We will see, won't we?

I meant to say remember who did it, since you bring it up, if he does manage to reverse it, you should remember that too.

Call a spade a spade, can you do that?

Ziggy Strange



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 10:11 PM
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First of all, these lawmakers and justices are not "conservatives" they are neo-cons, wolves in sheep costumes. I though this is made abundantly clear throughout many ATS posts.

There are not many conservatives or libertarians these days, especially on ATS, that would ever support this or anything like it. So please, stop acting like anyone here is "responsible" by some grand notion that because the justices say they are conservative, that they are anything like us. It's like Glenn Beck calling himself a libertarian... No libertarian worth their salt would ever follow that.




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