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Anyone here who thinks that there is anything intellectual about doping up is REALLY trying to make themselves feel better for their pathetic habit. I know, I used to do it!
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Oh so many truths are learned from drugs! Oh me, oh my! Why isn't the world so enlightened yet?!
. The delicious pleasure of the first stages of the manic phase are so seductive and so far better than any drug high, one feels that an eternity in this happy glorious joyful beautiful state is an absolute necessity to be sustained maintained forever. Nothing can convince me, when I am like this, that there is anything wrong with me and any one trying to reason with me that I am unwell makes me very indignant, Irritable and very angry.
Looking back now and after much careful reflection, I note that the trigger my mania was caused by unbalanced brain neurotransmitters, causing my brain to race and burn out. Thoughts, came with nonstop obsessions and uncontrollable non- thinking, trying to know the inscrutable? Religious obsession? What is the universe expanding into if it is everything? What is absolute nothingness? Is infinity possible? Why do we exist, is there a God, Infinity?
he impossible concept of eternity? My finite mind trying to arrive at by precise and finite means the explanation for all inscrutably mysteries , the enigma of evil, the enigma that there is no such thing as nothingness?, what is time?, what is life?, what is the of purpose of life?, what is energy?, know the mind of god?, is evolution toe?, what is gravity?, what is god?, what came before the big bang of creation?, how many dimensions are there in existence?, are there other universes beyond ours, what is outside the boundaries of the universe,
Will the universe continue to expand forever?, what is forever?, is there life after death? Is there a heaven or a hell? What is the purpose of life/, is life meaningless? etc, etc, etc.
I feel unreasonably that I must know everything in existence, that it is imperative to unravel all mysteries to know the inscrutable mind of God and become one with the infinite eternal divine sublime reality. On, on, and on day and night, without rest trapped in a life- time cycle of questions with no answers that I simply cannot accept.
An unsettling uncontrollable flood of never-ending disturbing thoughts that give me no rest, day and night. I must just know everything before meaningless death overtakes me and I die in ignorance.
Mania is so very delightful at first, so seductive and wonderful creeping unawares on the helpless victim, cannot tell or will even admit that there was anything wrong, because of the fact that one feels so unearthly wonderful.
Please note that what I am describing is not the mild beneficial hypomania of high performing persons of history who also had this disorder.
This mild form of mania existed in a large number of great and creative persons. It was there that one saw the enormous energy of Winston Churchill , Ludwig Van Beethoven, William Blake, Napoleon Bonaparte,, Charles Dickens, T.S. Elliot, Robert Frost, Sigmund Freud, Ernest Hemingway, Abraham Lincoln, Jack London, Robert Cow ell, Michelangelo,, Mozart, Isaac Newton, Edgar Allen Poe, Mark Twain, Vincent Van Gogh, King David, King Saul. To name a very few of the countless great personalities that suffered in different degrees from a milder form of this disorder.
He replies:
Why does this sound so much like accounts of Methamphetamine use?
Because it is, but the brain of a manic produces this itself. The brain is trying to compensate for the extreme depressive phase and over compensates hugely by flooding the brain with huge quantities of brain hormones and neurotransmitters that act in the exact way Cocaine or Methamphetamine
Yes, some where at the core of the bible exists a truth, but it's only a partial truth...the whole truth exists inside us all...and the bible is totally unnecessary in the process of finding this truth. As you admit, it's a mess, and people get stuck in this mess...and they totally believe this whole mess is actually the truth. It ruins society and causes bloodshed and ignorance....it stops people from questioning anything, since they believe they already have the whole truth...and it keeps them from ever finding the whole truth...the bible and the whole Christian religion, not to mention 99% of all other religions, do nothing but hold us back, and do not aid us in finding the deepest truth, which they set out to teach. As I stated in the thread I linked, if you read it:
This should also be utilized in study of the Bible. Somewhere, at it's core, as with many other spiritual texts, there is a truth, and a tool. And, no matter how much of a mess exists in it's vicinity, with the correct method and mindset, the truth will find it's way out.
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And it does. I mean, think about it. Every day, millions of people find it in there. In the Bible. And, they manage to alter something in themselves, and their worlds, regardless of the evil that has surrounded it. Regardless of what man has tried to do to it.
I don't know about that...I'd say a good percentage are older people who understand the flaws in religion, why it isn't needed, and how we can progress faster without it, and even become closer to God without it. Even if the vast majority are younger people...why do you think that is? Could it be because they are still young and don't have any previous attachments to any belief system? Could it be that certain beliefs haven't been forced onto them their whole life and they have an unbiased point of view, where they can examine things rationally, and see them for what they really are?
1. Take a look back through this thread, and try to get an idea of the age groups that are present. Would you say that there seems to be a lot of younger people?
Maybe they all seem to be on the same page, and posses similar ideals, because they've all arrived at the same logical conclusion?
2. Would you agree that most of the younger members seemed to be on the same page? A distaste, if not a down-right hatred of all things Christian.
3. Would you agree that a lot of these members seemed to be stating extremely similar ideas, and even used similar wording?
4. What would be at the core of such similarities? Could it be similar sources, statements, topics, over and over, seeping into their minds?
Have you considered that by freeing our selves from all the ignorant lies, some of us might be more spiritually aware? I certiantly consider myself a very spiritual person, and open to the deeper aspects of myself...I am always brutally honest with myself and I despise deception and road-blocks on the way to spiritual awareness....and I'm sorry to say, but one of the reasons I disagree with religion so much, is because I see it as precisely that, a road block, deception, a diversion and a tool to keep people blindly ignorant...so I in fact have the opposite outlook on this compared to you. Having an open mind and the ability to question everything, including religion...allows us to move forward and unlock deeper aspects of ourselves...becoming blindly faithful in something that is full of lies, and only ultimately causes bloodshed and destruction is something I would disagree with. It truly causes more problems than it solves, and as another posted said, is the root of a lot of evil on this planet, because of some of the things it teaches, and the way it causes people to think...even if the bible does, right at the core, have some small truth to it...it is essentially an unnecessary and deceptive tool for finding the truth which exists deep inside us all, and in fact generally accomplishes the opposite of what it preaches.
8. Finally, to you younger members: And, this has nothing to do with Christianity... Do you really not realize that you have been getting a "Spiritual Lobotomy" from the powers that be? Your will, your heart, your compassion, seeping away. And, it wasn't always this way.
9. What if, you are being led away, and distracted from, or simply turned against all things that might be able to stop this process?
Originally posted by ThePublicSpirit
reply to post by CHA0S
But, out of respect for the spirit of the thread, I will say this:
Just because somebody spends time, typing and thinking and typing and thinking, and then presents their idea, it does not mean that it merits the label of "Deep Thought".
No matter how much thought or typing somebody puts into an idea, it may still be... you got it, KOOKY! Garbage. Trash. Or, just stupid.
And, I have some bad news for certain people on this site. It might be prudent to just wait a while before posting an idea.
Maybe until the morning.
Or, at least until the drugs or booze wears off.
Originally posted by xSe7eNx
I could not agree with you anymore on this. I have been thinking about this quite a bit lately as well and I have come to the conclusion that the world thrives off of ignorance and any individual who has half a brain that attempts to sift through the lies of this earth and try to find the truth is immediately looked down upon by their peers. Just in my own experience nearly every one of my friends and most of my family now think I'm crazy and completely disregard everything I say because I "have no idea what I'm talking about." Also not to mention that almost all the people that we are talking about here have never even spent more than 1 day researching ANY topic that they were not forced to do because of school or something of the sort. I also find it rather funny that the majority of the population thinks their common sense is all knowing. I'm just going to stop because I could go on all day about this.
Ignorance is bliss to the weak minded individual who cannot accept the truth.
You are looking at this as if all drugs lower brain performance and damage the brain. This is absolutely not true. A lot of drugs will do just this, and cause the symptoms you describe, but some drugs, if used properly, and not abused, can cause the brain to function faster, or cause cognitive functioning which wouldn't normally take place....and they don't all cause damage when used properly. The brain it's self is the most sophisticated drug factory known to man...what does that tell you? You say drugs damaged your brain to the extent you'll never obtain a maximum brain functioning again? You obviously ABUSED drugs and took bad drugs which caused damage to your brain.
Just because you can see the world unfold into a thousand universes right before your eyes while your brain does loud banging sounds in the form of morse code and then it all collapses down into the flower you're holding in your hand... It does not mean that you saw anything realistic. We have imaginations and they run amuck.
Sorry to tell you, but you cannot discern what is spiritual by PHYSICALLY ALTERING THE BALANCE OF CHEMICALS IN THE BRAIN. The spiritual is NOT physical. The shutting down of the nervous system to the degree at which it is unable to respond to certain sensors and the brain attempting to recalculate the reality surrounding it are NOT signs of gaining spiritual knowledge.. IT IS THE BRAIN DYING. When the brain is dying, it works very similar to our more powerful computers. It goes haywire attempting to decode the information that it is receiving but it cannot because the processor is failing. Because you are conscious enough to witness your brain frying, you SEE AND HEAR A LOT OF WEIRD STUFF.
Why do you think that is? As the manic explained, the brain produces chemicals which cause the same effect as methamphetamine's and coc aine...which is why his manic episode was so similar to that described by users of of certain drugs...he hadn't taken any drugs...he didn't need to...his brain took care of that part...and he states, during and after manic episodes he is more creative and insightful than ever...it's quite obvious in my opinion that altered states of consciousness aren't always bad...and not every drug damages the brain if used properly...who says a sober mind is perfect and 100% the best way for a brain to function?
This mild form of mania existed in a large number of great and creative persons. It was there that one saw the enormous energy of Winston Churchill , Ludwig Van Beethoven, William Blake, Napoleon Bonaparte,, Charles Dickens, T.S. Elliot, Robert Frost, Sigmund Freud, Ernest Hemingway, Abraham Lincoln, Jack London, Robert Cow ell, Michelangelo,, Mozart, Isaac Newton, Edgar Allen Poe, Mark Twain, Vincent Van Gogh, King David, King Saul. To name a very few of the countless great personalities that suffered in different degrees from a milder form of this disorder.
I said nothing like that...and, as I've already said a million times now...this isn't only Christians...it's the bulk of society...the total and utter ignorance and close-mindedness drives me insane...I could give examples involving Christians, involving scientists, involving my friends and family...and involving society as a whole...so people really need to get over the fact that one example I used involved Christians...
"The guilt... the voices... Shut the Christians up, I can't hear myself THINK! THEY are doing this to me!"
Originally posted by CHA0S
reply to post by xSe7eNx
That is a perfect example of what I'm getting at...thank you for that post...and I know how it can feel for your own family to think of you as a crzy person, it's quite annoying, and the more you try to open up their eyes, the crazier you look! May life treat you well my friend.
I have been thinking about this quite a bit lately as well and I have come to the conclusion that the world thrives off of ignorance and any individual who has half a brain that attempts to sift through the lies of this earth and try to find the truth is immediately looked down upon by their peers. Just in my own experience nearly every one of my friends and most of my family now think I'm crazy and completely disregard everything I say because I "have no idea what I'm talking about."
reply to post by Algebra
I completely agree...it's a way for people who need guidance and dependency to gain just that...it'd be to complicated for them to go about life in any other way...nice input...
When someone trys to claim they are actually following a demanding control freak as with the example above. You may aswell have just slapped there mother. They dont need much free or deep thought to read a book and do as it says.
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So...so true...and it's so easy for TPTB to make them look like crazy fools...which is the saddening thing...but I suppose we can't help the people until they want to help themselves...
Also, revolutionaries are usually made to look crazy by the MSM, they are silenced and laughed at because TPTB know they are dangerous.
I have been thinking about this quite a bit lately as well and I have come to the conclusion that the world thrives off of ignorance and any individual who has half a brain that attempts to sift through the lies of this earth and try to find the truth is immediately looked down upon by their peers.
Originally posted by wylekat
reply to post by CHA0S
My ex boss (a christian) was like this. I was nothing more than a drooling moron who couldn't bang rocks together, according to him. The man refused to grasp simple scientific facts. The fact I was light years ahead of anything he knew made him extremely abusive towards me.
That's quite an insightful comment, and I'd have o agree...if I'm correct in my interpretation of that statement...I believe alternate states of consciousness, allow us to explore aspects of reality and mind which aren't accessible, or extremely hard to access whilst in a "normal" state...for instance...I believe parts of the subconscious mind can be accessed whilst in alternate states of consciousness...and this can lead to an array of advanced cognitive functioning and insight into the structure of reality and the mind...
drug usage and spiritual or alternate reality experience is that the "flesh", as characterized in scripture, is the veil spoken of that separates us from the realities of spiritual or alternate reality. the flesh, when functioning within its "NORMAL" parameters, is less than revealing on these subjects. it is meant to be a veil,
Again, as I explained to Tarzanbeta, you ABUSED drugs. I suggest you re-read all my statements involving drugs, on this page, and try to grasp what I'm getting at.
I'm with Tarzanbeta on this. I took many, many chemical substances in my youth. They dull the mind considerably.
Of course they do...when abused...
Anyhow, drugs definitely mess up the mind.
I'm not disagreeing...of course this will happen...if they are abused...
It's quite correct how it takes you a couple of years after to gain back some of your acuity, and a few more to realize you'll never be the same.