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Supreme Court Rolls Back Campaign Spending Limits. Dear God.

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posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 10:10 AM
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This is the only real worry I have had in the last two years and it actually happened. It actually happened thanks to all the Conservatives on the Supreme Court.


WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that corporations may spend as freely as they like to support or oppose candidates for president and Congress, easing decades-old limits on business efforts to influence federal campaigns.


5-4 Ruling.


Strongly disagreeing, Justice John Paul Stevens said in his dissent, "The court's ruling threatens to undermine the integrity of elected institutions around the nation."

LINK to the most important story you will read all year.

The Republic is now over, welcome to the United States of Corporations.

Compliments of Conservatives.


[edit on 21-1-2010 by AllexxisF1]




posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 10:15 AM
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Wow... just wow.

If this is true, really, this is it. The vote of the people is more worthless now than it ever has been.

I'm speechless.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 10:19 AM
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Today's decision has changed politics forever in this country.

If you thought corporations had too much influence in government, well today its a whole new ball game.

Now corporations, banks etc. have no limit to contributing to whoever they want.

The lifeline of our Republic has just been pulled.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 10:40 AM
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The lines in the sand have been drawn. Don't think for a second that the MA race had nothing to do with this decision. With sudden rise in popularity of the independent movement the capitalists had to try and find some way to maintain their hegemony. We will just have to keep our momentum, focus our goals further and have our voices heard.

From what we have already seen out of the current White House Administration, it would be downright cowardly of any of you to stay home for the Congressional elections instead of doing everything possible within your power to make sure your network is made aware of who the true freedom loving patriots running for office are. I shudder to think what shape we will be in by the Presidential Elections in 2012 if apathy stays the course.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 10:49 AM
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Who do you think is going to run in November that won't be beholden to their corporate donors?

Conservatives?...they just made this damn ruling.

Democrats ...They need the money to run, even if deep down they hate this ruling.

Libertarians?....how many of those are running around in the public arena.

We are truly F-ed.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 10:57 AM
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It is not enough anymore for us, ourselves, to put up Ron Paul bumper stickers on our cars and show up at the ballot booth.

It is up to us to make sure we are using every method possible to inform every person we come across of the right decisions and how they can educate themselves. Spare no expense.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 11:01 AM
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By a 5-4 vote, the court overturned two of its own decisions as well as the decades-old law that said companies and labor unions can be prohibited from using money from their general treasuries to produce and run their own campaign ads. The decision threatens similar limits imposed by 24 states.

It leaves in place a prohibition on direct contributions to candidates from corporations and unions.

Huff Post


Yep, that's it, the wholesale sell-out of America to the corporations.

They left out the direct contributions to campeigns to avoid the "appearance" of bribery. As if bribery only occurs through directly giving money to the politician.


This will only encourage backroom deals where politicians promise big perks for Corps who roll out huge ad campeigns in their favor.

The little guy will have no way to be heard over the constant stream of corporate sponsored baloney we'll be forced to endure over the election season.

Oh, God!
If you thought election season was bad before, just imagine how nauxious it will be now. The campeign ads will never stop! Just imagine if they tie in the political ads with their product advertizing!


The only way the common man will be able to have his voice heard will be to shout at the top of his lungs in the public square and at political rallies.

Of course then we'll be labled as uncivil and rif-raff.


This politician has been brought (or was that bought) to you by (insert major corporation name here).

sigh. This sucks.



edit to add: maybe we should make the politicians wear jackets with the logos of all their sponsors on it, they'll look just like Nacsar drivers!


[edit on 21-1-2010 by FortAnthem]



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 11:14 AM
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Its amazing what people will put up with. This news makes me think very hard about what the world is doing and when it will be enough for everyone to decide to do something about it (myself included I am guilty also of the armchair warrior mentality)

Lobbyists were my biggest gripe in politics and now they've gone and given them all steroids. Goodbye republic. I hope those that take comfort in the vote and believe it makes a difference will heed this news and think long and hard about its implications.

Cheers and sympathies from Canada



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 11:15 AM
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This has to be the most depressing news I have had in a long, long time.


Thank God that the Supreme Court has the people's interests at heart. Now we will have every politician get the chance to openly show the fact that they're bought off.

Disgusting.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 11:22 AM
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This is disgusting. I only hope it's a tipping point.

People are outraged. Let's harness it.


If Corporations have the right to "free speech" what other rights and responsibilities do they have? It cuts both ways.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 11:27 AM
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Hooray for the Supreme Court. They stayed the course of it's responsibilities. It upheld the US Constitution.

Now, there will/can be more transparentcy of the money going to these politicians-instead of hiding it by using PAC's and groups ran by George Soros and other left wing nuts.

About time this happened.

I find it VERY interesting that Justice Kennedy wrote the winning decision.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by kosmicjack
People are outraged. Let's harness it.


Exactly. There is an energy about our culture that is for this day and age, unique. We as a society are trailblazing through unknown territory. This is the reason for the Supreme Courts decision anyways. We must become antennas for this energy and spread the frequency to all stations. Never has there been a more opportune time then now for the signal to be connected.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 11:39 AM
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Here's the ruling.

And here are some of the best excerpts from Justice Steven's dissenting opinion:


In the context of election to public office, the distinction between corporate and human speakers is significant. Although they make enormous contributions to our society, corporations are not actually members of it. They cannot vote or run for office. Because they may be managed and controlled by nonresidents, their interests may conflict in fundamental respects with the interests of eligible voters. The financial resources, legal structure,and instrumental orientation of corporations raise legitimate concerns about their role in the electoral process. Our lawmakers have a compelling constitutional basis, if not also a democratic duty, to take measures designed to guard against the potentially deleterious effects of corporate spending in local and national races.




The Framers thus took it as a given that corporations could be comprehensively regulated in the service of the public welfare. Unlike our colleagues, they had little trouble distinguishing corporations from human beings, and when they constitutionalized the right to free speech in the First Amendment, it was the free speech of individual Americans that they had in mind. While individuals might join together to exercise their speech rights, business corporations, at least, were plainly not seen as facilitating such associational or expressive ends. Even "the notion that business corporations could invoke the First Amendment would probably have been quite a novelty,"given that "at the time, the legitimacy of every corporate activity was thought to rest entirely in a concession of the sovereign."




See Letter from Thomas Jefferson to Tom Logan (Nov. 12, 1816), in 12 The Works of Thomas Jefferson 42, 44 (P. Ford ed. 1905) ("I hope we shall . . . crush in [its] birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country").




The majority declares by fiat that the appearance of undue influence by high-spending corporations "will not cause the electorate to lose faith in our democracy." The electorate itself has consistently indicated otherwise, both in opinion poll ... and in the laws its representatives have passed, and our colleagues have no basis for elevating their own optimism into a tenet of constitutional law.


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posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by anon72
Hooray for the Supreme Court. They stayed the course of it's responsibilities. It upheld the US Constitution.

Now, there will/can be more transparentcy of the money going to these politicians-instead of hiding it by using PAC's and groups ran by George Soros and other left wing nuts.

About time this happened.

I find it VERY interesting that Justice Kennedy wrote the winning decision.


Are you nuts.

Corporations now can flood the airwaves and all types of media with campaign ad's at whim. Unrelenting and non stop.

How is the grass roots individual able to compete with that? How is any union or small business.

How do you not get that now TRANS NATIONAL CORPORATIONS can drown out your own speech. You an ACTUAL HUMAN BEING.

How the hell is a corporation a human being deserving of speech rights. A corporation cannot walk into a voting booth and pull a lever.

I swear to holy God Conservatives are so ass backwards. You will fight to the death that a terrorist deserves no rights or day in court because he isn't an American.

Yet, you believe a corporation ...a foreign company has the same free speech rights as a human being and they can literally buy NBC and put ad's non stop for their candidate. .

That is ok with you.

It's people like you that threw this country under the bus. You have the nerve to wave the Constitution declaring your rights when point in fact you are the one that tore it in two.


[edit on 21-1-2010 by AllexxisF1]

[edit on 21-1-2010 by AllexxisF1]



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 11:49 AM
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And then is still people out ther that dares to believe that is not corruption in America and in Americas politics, religion and now the supreme court.

I am starting to believe that this people actually wants to create a revolution and coup and civil war, so then a true unrestricted corporate run dictatorship can be born.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 12:02 PM
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Nuts? About wanting TRUE freedom?. Every citizen has the right to put out infomation they wish to and they ALSO have the right not to listen to what they don't want to.

Nuts? No, just tired of the US Gov't telling me everything I/we can do/say/listen to etc.

Nuts? no, I am just smart enough to filter out the BS I don't want and listen to what I choose to.

All you liberals need to realize you don't need Gov't to run your lives. This is another major start to taking our country back and running more like our founding fathers wanted. Not this twisted socialist/liberal realm we reside in.

I bet you think Palin, Joe the Plumber, Scot Brown and others like them are nuts and not smart enough to be in gov't. Well, I am one that thinks they are EXACTLY what we need. "The Little Guy", I have had enough of the "Smart Ones" leading us. Look where they got us.

Ga ahead hate me......
) Have a nice day. "I smell fear"



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 12:08 PM
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Another thing that concerns be about this ruling is the idea of Multi-national Corporations. Foreign influence. Manchurian Candidates, so to speak.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 12:14 PM
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Oh, my dear the conspiracies are going to flow like the Nile when used to have floods.



Any nation that right now has been working behind the scenes on campaign money to influence policies now will be freely able to buy candidates.

Our nation truly has fallen on the lowest of the lowest

!!!!!US Politicians for sale,!!!!!!! come a buy a politicians now they are all for sale!!!!!!!! Americans citizens with no money do no qualify.

The lowest of the lowest.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 12:19 PM
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Ok, well we know they are not going to play fair... we just want to know how they are going to buy their seats when they dont have a price tag on them? because unless you are a farmer, a store owner, a police man, a nurse, a doctor .... well you just wasting you time trying to get elected 00
It aint happening... sorry lawyers - your fired... get a real job your benefits are repealled.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 12:21 PM
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This is about the worst thing possible, it all but seals the rule by corporations in America. While it will be hailed as a great victory for The First Amendment by the right, it will be also greeted with a sigh of silent relief on the left. Forget any meaningful reform of ANYTHING from now on unless Congress can pass some Constitutional legislation to counter.....
yeah right.
As of now EVERYTHING IS UP FOR SALE!




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