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More bias in US against Muslims than other faiths

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posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 02:49 AM
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Originally posted by Parallex
Everyone, take a step back please.

There are differences between CULTURE and RELIGION. An Egyptian Muslim, is not the same as a Turkish Muslim for example.

Americans are prejudiced against Muslims because the government wants Americans to feel that way. It helps the war effort etc. Gives the people a suitable 'enemy' figure. If the people in question are retarded anyway... which isn't rare in the U.S.

Also, the Christian fundies WANT you to hate Muslims, so that we dont all HATE Christians for their evil practices and hypocritical ways. Fundie Christians want us to HATE everyone but them, so that we give them MONEY, and brainspace. When they deserve neither. Bare in mind that most of the U.S government is made up of Christian fundies and a few Jewish folk.

The world would be such a nice place without religious fools.

Folks from Muslim countries are generally nice people. The religion doesn't matter - it's the morons who listen to propaganda that cause the problem. They're so ridiculously stupid that they deserve a pre-emptive Darwin award. These foolish people apear all over the world. If you see one, kick them.

Parallex.



The hatred towards Muslims has been directed at Afghanistan, Iraq and now Iran. Iraq proved to have nothing to do with terrorism or 911. Afghanistan has not produced BinLaden. Iran is now hated over laws that are thousands of years old. All this public opinion is said to have formed from all these specific reasons even though it mirrors the political agenda? These nations are all suddenly being condemned for their laws and beliefs.

What public opinion and the political agenda fail to do is have any consistency. People are claiming their views do not come from propaganda, but their redirect is identical? They are also very hypocritical.

If critics of Muslim countries were being fair and not led by propaganda and agenda wouldn't they be condemning Saudi Arabia? Saudi Arabia was the home of most supposed 911 hijackers. Saudi Arabia was proven to have financed the event. BinLaden is from there. They practice Sharia Law.

People here are claiming that propaganda has no influence on them, yet they fail to condemn SA for the exact reasons they do others? Coincidentally, the media has yet to point opinion toward SA. No SA propaganda, no SA hatred by the public? Isn't that a little odd? Maybe there's propaganda being spread that there's no propaganda at all and you believe that too?

Ask yourself why we haven't always been concerned about Islam, Muslims, WMD's, Iranian elections, Sharia Law, and the rest? How so many people have suddenly all came to the same conclusion about these things? And oh yeah, it happens to be hypocritical and only condemns some nations that do it? And oh yeah, it parallels the media's hypocritical portrayal of things? And oh yeah, it's directed at the exact places the western military are looking to act against? And oh yeah, as luck has it, these are the exact nations the west wishes to control? And oh yeah, they have oil?




posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 02:55 AM
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My opinion on Muslims is not hatred of Afganistan or Iraq, I do not know that these countries are or are not Muslim. My hatred is of Muslims who wish the US would die and it's people would die. I don't wish Muslims dead, but I do understand that they want me dead. And I am just a hard working lady with no religion other than knowing that there is God, so why hate me or wish me dead? Because I am not Muslim. There is your propaganda.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 03:20 AM
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It's all BS. There is no hatred toward muslims.
Who do you think made the poll?
Muslims are claiming to be a victim. Muslims want sympathy. Muslims want us to think we are discriminating against them.
That's simply not true.
How many hate crimes against muslims are happening in the US daily (by other races or religions)?
ummmmmm..... zero.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 03:27 AM
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Mainstream Media programming works a treat don't you think?
Too many people believing the TV as its more energy efficient to be sat on your a$$ and not spend time and effort finding out anything truthful.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 11:53 AM
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Don't have time to read all replys, but so what? I suppose that muslims don't have any bias against the US infidels right? When will people realize that this is TPTB trying to create devisiveness.

[edit on 22-1-2010 by Barkster]



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 12:02 PM
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I disagree completely with your assessment of these discussions here on the forum.

I say it is much better to talk about these problems, and get them out of your system than to keep them bottled up inside.

I also say it is much better to get a dialogue going, give everyone a chance to see the situation from the other side.

It is when people fail to communicate that things usually get worse.

It is usually the silent ones who refuse to engage in dialogue, who essentially don't want to listen to what anyone else has to say, don't want the dialogue going on their head interrupted, that go ballistic and do crazy and stupid things. Those are the haters.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by Barkster
I suppose that muslims don't have any bias against the US infidels right?

That's where the bias is coming from.
Google doesn't even have any muslim hate sites but tons of Christian hate sites.
Only muslims are making an effort to make sure they are heard that they are victims of dicrimination, which is a false charge!!! How many hate crimes are there against muslims in the US. That should be easy to search.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 12:48 PM
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www.fbi.gov...
Ok, from the US records in 2004 there were:
anti-Jewish offences 1076 by 330 assailants
anti-muslim offences 201 by 124 assailants.
www.fbi.gov...

So looks to me like the whole muslims are the biggest victims is total BS.
Further, looks like anti-Jewish assailants are gangs where as anti-muslim crimes are one on one. hmmmm.... not clear when a one on one crime is instigated by which party also.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 01:24 PM
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Personally, I am a truther on 9/11, I think that GW and company were involved in making this happen, and they have obvious ties to the Saudis, and the Bin Laden family. That is another can of worms.

What made me get more involved in learning about this ancient conflict is the riots in France, and an education on the things that radical Muslims are starting to do in Europe. Then I began to realize what a real threat Islam is to the Western way of living.

Then I learned about Islam in its centuries long conflict with India, current ongoing efforts of the Middle East to colonize the rest of Africa, including participating in slavery and genocide.

Considering the long history of violence Arabs have perpetrated against Black Africans, I don't see any reason why Black people would ever embrace the religion of Islam. Europeans participated in slavery of Africans for a far shorter period than Arabs have been grabbing slaves out of Africa. In the U.S., Latin America, and Europe, the descendants of former slaves are still around, and have been integrated into our culture, and added greatly to our culture. In the Middle East, no such group exists? What happened to all the black people who were taken as slaves into the Middle East?

Why don't we see the descendant of the vast numbers of African slaves that were taken into the Middle East?

Another problem I have is the twisted versions of history that I have found being spread about how Europeans/ The White Man, stole all of his technology and has gained his wealth by stealing from the rest of the world. How the white man is a devil, who has contributed nothing and taken everything. In the Movie "Malcolm X", this story line was used to recruit Malcolm into Islam, but I have to wonder how many black Muslims are aware of the horrendous history between Islam and African blacks.

What is ridiculous, is that the far left, the supposed liberals who preach tolerance, are so adamant in their efforts to defend Islam, a religion that advocates extreme oppression of womens rights and stands for everything liberals should oppose, that they come off as the haters. In the film "The 6th of May", the suggestion seems to be that far left radicals actually killed Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn.

I get the whole "give peace a chance" tolerance towards others concept, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't stick up for yourself, and your loved ones, and decent people everywhere against abusers seeking to gain advantage through any means possible.

Take all the cheap shots you want, I have done my homework before coming to my conclusions. I don't trust Islam, and I have good reasons. I don't think all Muslims are guilty of some evil conspiracy against the west, but I know that some are, they openly preach it. The thing is, I have no way of telling the difference.

I think a lot more people are more knowledgeable than they are given credit, and that is the reason are most biased against Muslims than any other faith. In fact, here in the U.S. I think a vast majority of the people are embracing Buddhism, Hinduism, Native American Shamanism, and even African Shamanism, and attempt to bring back the spiritual beliefs of the ancient Europeans. It is the Abrahamic religions we are having the biggest problems with, and Islam is by far the biggest problem.

There is nothing wrong with not wanting neighbors who come from a country where women must be escorted by male relatives.

We shouldn't allow men, whose religious leaders teach that a woman without an escort is meat left out for the dogs, live in our communities.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 04:18 PM
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That is so horrible .... How can people live like this and enjoy life?



posted on Jan, 25 2010 @ 10:04 PM
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Hello, poet.

My point is that the popular opinion condemning Muslims is not a product of intense research in pursuit of the truth, but rather a shallow one. While you have formed your own opinion based on what you assume to be factual, most condemnation of the Muslim culture is derived from propaganda. I find this method of condemnation to be a dangerous one. Unlike yours, the popular belief is a far less thought out conclusion. It's based on hear say and trusted as factual, regardless of it's accuracy.

Anyone can choose which side of an argument they wish to support. To choose based on knowledge of the facts is valid, but support based on popularity is ignorant. Your conclusion appears valid, but mirrors the status quo? Historically, the righteous position is rarely the popular one. I can't help questioning this to be correct, no matter how strongly convincing the evidence?

I will always respect someone's conclusion when it's formed with diligence. Right or wrong, if it was concluded after careful consideration of available information, it's valid and respectable. Sadly, I find it hard to believe that the majority has reached their opinion in this matter with the same diligence used by you to reach yours?

While I do respect your view, I see it as a comparable criticism that can be easily applied to any given conflicting groups. Yes, there are Muslims that hate Americans, as there are Americans that hate Muslims. Slavery was practiced by many nationalities including African.

You appear to not agree with Islamic customs and traditions and that's fine, but where do you feel them being forced upon you? Isn't what's going on the opposite? Isn't the public support for the forcing of western ideals on the Muslims? If the objective was to destroy those that try to force their faith on others, wouldn't we be attacking Christianity first?

I guess the bottom line is you either believe in the right to practice any religion, or not? To believe in that freedom you must also oppose of forcing a religion on others. Those things pale in comparison to what is happening now. Now the trend is to attack an entire region for the religion they choose to practice in their own country? What can possibly be right about that? Worse is that while we use these religious practices to condemn and attack some countries, we remain allied with others that practice the same?

This brings me back to my original point in this thread. If the threat was Islam we would have to oppose all of it. To hate Iran because of their laws means you must also hate Saudi Arabia, also. Reality is that SA is supported, despite they enforce similar laws? This makes the whole argument against Iran invalid. All this hypocrisy is coming from the USA, a country founded on freedom of religion? This can only be seen as insanity.



posted on Jan, 26 2010 @ 09:20 AM
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I think if more people did their homework, and looked at the history of Islam, there would be a great deal more outrage against Islam.

There is ignorance on both sides of the issue. In my observation, most of the people calling for tolerance are more poorly informed of the issue at hand than the people who are pointing out that Islam is indeed a real threat.

On what basis are you making your claims that Western culture is being forced on Muslims? Do we have roving street gangs of liberals roaming the streets of Saudi Arabia harassing women for wearing burqas?

No, but we do have roving gangs of Muslims in Europe and Australia harassing women for not wearing hijabs, and committing gang rapes.

AS far as the right to practice any religion, sorry, but there are limits to everything. To use extremes as an example, there are religions that called for human sacrifice. Should we tolerate a religion like that? Of course we should not tolerate such a religion.

And I don't think we should tolerate a religion that considers a woman to be worth half as much as a man.

It is not as barbaric as human sacrifice, but it isn't that far advanced either.



posted on Jan, 26 2010 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

More bias in US against Muslims than other faiths


news.yahoo.com

Americans are more than twice as likely to express prejudice against Muslims than they are against Christians, Jews or Buddhists, a new survey found. Nearly two-thirds of Americans say they have little or no knowledge of Islam. Still, a majority dislike the faith.

About 18 percent of respondents said they had some level of prejudice against Christians, while the figure was 15 percent toward Jews and 14 percent toward Buddhists

Personally knowing a Muslim is not linked to a lower level
(visit the link for the full news article)




It's probably because of all the bad publicity they get with Islamo-terrorism and such, and the fact that no Islamics seem to want to condemn such activity. So it is perceived as a very violent and destructive religion that enslaves people, dehumanizes women and so on. They have only themselves to blame for what people think of them.



posted on Jan, 26 2010 @ 09:35 AM
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the faulth is the fundamentalist nature of many muslim immigrants and their offspring which makes many in the west feel like they have been transported back in time several hundred years together with liberal/leftist policies and pandering by the elite.



posted on Jan, 26 2010 @ 09:52 AM
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I have never met one single person who hates Muslims (and I'm getting on a bit). Hate is too strong a word imo. But yes there are a whole load of negative connotations.
TPTB are part responsible as it suits them to demonise certain Islamic countries and of course the media likes to sensationalise. But Muslims also create their own bad press without much help.
You can call certain factions not truly representative, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it IS a duck. Plus the march of mosques across various countries, the continuing calls for sharia law and the growing number of women dressed in black table cloths
is a cause for concern.
The report in the original article is hardly rocket science.



[edit on 26-1-2010 by unicorn1]



posted on Jan, 26 2010 @ 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by unicorn1
I have never met one single person who hates Muslims (and I'm getting on a bit). Hate is too strong a word. But yes there are a whole load of negative connotations. TPTB are part responsible as it suits them to demonise certain Islamic countries and of course the media likes to sensationalise. But Muslims also create their own bad press without much help.
You can call certain factions not truly representative, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it IS a duck. Plus the march of mosques across various countries, the continuing calls for sharia law and the growing number of women dressed in black table cloths is a cause for concern.
The report in the original article is hardly rocket science.



exactly, I try and live by a code of treating an individual as, well, an individual, unfortunately when a lot of Muslims congregate an area they test this rule to the limit



posted on Jan, 26 2010 @ 09:59 AM
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And still, we atheists are hated even more than the Muslims.

I'm afraid I cannot find sympathy for anyone of any religion being hated by another person from another religion. It is religion itself that causes this hatred, because they are exclusive.



posted on Jan, 26 2010 @ 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by Arcane Demesne
reply to post by ModernAcademia
 


And still, we atheists are hated even more than the Muslims.

I'm afraid I cannot find sympathy for anyone of any religion being hated by another person from another religion. It is religion itself that causes this hatred, because they are exclusive.


not all religion v religion- check out the EDL marches, hardly a bunch of bible bashers...............



posted on Jan, 26 2010 @ 10:12 AM
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And just to add...
Heaven forbid that I am showing a bias or anything but here is an interesting website fighting for the rights of women under Islam
www.wluml.org...
Alla akhbar (unless you happen to be female)

[edit on 26-1-2010 by unicorn1]



posted on Jan, 26 2010 @ 11:17 AM
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back in October 2001, ASU student Ahmad Saad Nasim lied to cops about being assaulted and pelted with eggs in a parking lot while assailants screamed "Die, Muslim, die!"

Nasim confessed to fabricating the attack when cops interviewed after he attempted a second hate crime hoax-- in which he locked himself in a library restroom with the word "Die" written on his forehead, a plastic bag tied over his head, and a racist note stuffed in his mouth.

www.capmag.com...



But CAIR's report stands in stark contrast to a report released last month by the FBI. In that report, titled "Hate Crime Statistics, 2006," compiled from the input of more than 12,000 law enforcement agencies across the country, FBI figures show that the number of incidents of religious hate crime against Muslims plunged 68 percent since 2001

www.wnd.com...


This next paragraph is a clear indicator of the agenda and how swiftly it has progressed:


Critics point to a double standard: Burning an American flag is considered free speech, and the submersion of a Christian Crucifix in urine has not only been called art, but funded by U.S. taxpayers – and yet flushing a paperback copy of the Quran down a toilet is now a hate crime.

www.wnd.com...


'Hate Crimes Against Muslims Have PLUMMETED' says the caption

And you can see it for yourself in the simple pie-chart here:
michellemalkin.com...

accompanied by a breakdown of said 'hate crimes' by religion:

Anti Protestant ..... 59
Anti Catholic ........ 76
Anti Islamic ..... 156
Other .................. 204
Anti Jewish ..... 967

michellemalkin.com...


FAKE MUSLIM HATE CRIMES: WHERE’S THE APOLOGY
michellemalkin.com...


More Muslim hate crime myths
townhall.com...




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