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posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by pasttheclouds
Unity means being one means being literal means spiritual.
it means one. One does mean it is not divided.


i can never understand what you are saying.

it sounds like you are assuming "one" means literal because thats the only way you see it.




posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by l neXus l
god didnt write the bible
man did


im not being rude or anything, but why would you come to this thread just to say that?



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 05:35 PM
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hmm...yes thats a problem with my post, i never reply with many verses or go into the discussion about details because there is no way that someone can read the torah or the gospel without understanding the goal.

God/truth is one, that is the goal
jesus told us that, logic tells us that, the torah tells us this,
and the prophets all tell us this (Isaiah, ...)

If god is not one, he is not free.
(take your time to think about this,
if god is not everything he is not free,
it means you are still blind, because
the consequences are difficult to understand,
but we first try to see god our goal, our truth)

so instead of understanding verse by verse,
we try to understand the goal,
this will explain us the parts.

Most first try to understand the verses
before they understand their god.

because of that many fights were fighted,
and will again.

The absolute first thing to do
is understand the greatest commandment,
and who your god is, one or divided,
if he is one, everytime you judge, you judge Him.
(put this sentence in your rememberance)
honesty is the tool to forgive God. =
honesty is the tool to understand life.

Sevilla, a beautifull home.


[edit on 22-1-2010 by pasttheclouds]



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 05:45 PM
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what......

??????:bnghd:



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 05:48 PM
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why dont you read it ? why can't you ? i don't write words, i write logic
forget all my other mails, but try to read my last one again.

1. there were wars for 2000 years over different interpretations,
so how do we understand the verses, instead of pretending to understand them. honesty.

2. By seeing the goal = who is your God ?
One or divided (God or Baal)

There is no way understanding the bible,
if you speak for Baal,which means if you do not see the GOAL.

who is god ? One = ALL/EVERYTHING
or divided = not free = not god
If god is not everything he is not absolute,
and your bible is a lie. because the bible says he is absolute,
the bible speaks logic but in the old language of changing literal into spiritual, symbology into truth.

[edit on 22-1-2010 by pasttheclouds]



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 06:00 PM
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read the next verses, and do not let them contradict,
one contradiction and your knowledge becomes ZERO.


“I am the LORD; and there is none else” Isaiah 45,22

Hear, Israel: the Lord is our God; God is one: Deuteronomy 6:4

Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. Deuteronomy 6:4-5

“For the Father judges no one, but he has given all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He who doesn’t honor the Son doesn’t honor the Father who sent him.” John 5:22-23

“Most assuredly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing of himself but what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things he does, these the Son also does likewise John 5:19

"But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. John 5:45 (the law you choose curse or blessing, blessing = god is one = love all)

“Don’t judge, so that you won’t be judged. For with whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you. Matthew 7:1-2

[edit on 22-1-2010 by pasttheclouds]



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
reply to post by TarzanBeta
 




I simply don't understand who you're worshipping


I will answer that with a picture

GOD




God's Son


Yeshua (Hebrew)
Jesus (English)


They are not the same being(thus the different names), yet we glorify the son with the highest honor and respect.
Best example is a King and his son which is a Prince, if you honor and respect the Prince, by extension you do that to the King.

Direct worship of Jesus Christ that eliminates glory to his Father is wrong and actually idolatry.

Thus the Trinity actually promotes idolatry. A disqualifying sin to life in the future. That's why I spend so much time trying to show people the truth of this matter. Literally millions of Christians are accidental idolaters.
I view Christendom's clergy as very guilty and accountable to God in this matter of dogma. They should know better, why they don't is another topic altogether.




You are being very fooled.

The first thing you do to tell me that I am sinning and in idolatry is to put up a picture? Did you think before you did that?

You should realize QUICKLY that you are not reaching the Father without Christ. You are reaching yourself.

Direct worship of Christ IS WORSHIP OF THE FATHER. WAKE UP.

The Father has given all glory to CHRIST. CHRIST'S NAME IS ABOVE ALL NAMES. NOTICE HOW GOD HAS NOT SAID, "CHRIST'S NAME SHALL BE ABOVE ALL NAMES EXCEPT FOR YHWH".

He said, CHRIST'S name shall be above ALL NAMES.

The Father has glorified HIMSELF THROUGH CHRIST.

IF YOU ARE NOT WORSHIPPING CHRIST, you are FAILING.

And to respond to badmedia,

I find you more right than the others, but I find pasttheclouds more right than you. I believe what you are describing is EXACTLY WHAT JESUS EXPERIENCES. I believe that we frequently experience that, but we as humans often become divided. pasttheclouds makes an excellent point regarding this fact.

HOWEVER

CHRIST IS THE LORD. Anyone who claims to believe the Bible AT ALL, regardless of how you use it and what verses you use -- MUST believe in this. If you do not, you are fooling only yourself.

The fact that I have given you scriptural evidence and YOU STILL HAVE NOT READ IT FOR YOURSELF and COMPARED IT and THOUGHT ABOUT IT and ASKED GOD ABOUT IT -- this ALL lends credence to the fact that you are glory seekers instead of glory givers!

Give glory to God, the Father, by means of OUR MEDIUM JESUS CHRIST. Since no one comes to the Father but BY HIM, He is the conduit through which all of our worship moves!

YOU'RE NOT READING YOUR BIBLES INTELLIGENTLY.

You're trying to sell me/people on an idea that only causes division. You're trying to sell me/people on an idea that you yourself distrust because you hate the life you're leading right now. You're trying to sell me/people on an idea to see if we can properly debunk it because you are too afraid to FOLLOW THE TRUTH AND MOVE AWAY FROM WHATEVER IT IS THAT IS KEEPING YOU DOWN.

I wonder how I know that?
Cause I been where your brain is. I used to THINK like you.

It is selfishness wrapped up in a POLITE LITTLE ARGUMENT.

Be safe, friends.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 06:09 PM
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first, there is no salvation before shortage,
shortage means pain, means hate, means desire.
Hate is a pre-condition to love. You can not see children murder each other and love it, before understanding you will hate it. The other option is ignorance, which is false peace. By hating you search for god in the hope you can forgive. don't be hard on another if you can find that same quality in yourself. Be hard but not deaf in words, be soft in heart.

forget everything you ever learned, and start all over again.

so who is christ ?


[edit on 22-1-2010 by pasttheclouds]



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 06:11 PM
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Sorry pasttheclouds, I didn't know you were still going at it...

My apologies!




posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 06:13 PM
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Within Christ the entire physical manifestation of God is embodied. Col 2:9
God is one Deut 6:4

Read those sentences in LOGIC, never let them contradict.

IS the bible above God ? or God above the bible ?
Or does the bible describe god, and his law,
but is it open for misinterpretation.
honesty ? Who is above ? God or interpretations.
idolatry, pick ur god.


[edit on 22-1-2010 by pasttheclouds]



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by pasttheclouds
reply to post by TarzanBeta
 


"CHRIST'S NAME SHALL BE ABOVE ALL NAMES EXCEPT FOR YHWH"

EXCEPT !!! dont forget to read that
but still glory given to the son,
means the father = the son

forget everything you ever learned, and start all over again.

start with the goal, who is the father.
How can you see the son, if he mirros the father,
and you dont know who the father is.
How can you see the father, if he has given glory to his image,
and you dont give glory= love to his body.
Christ is the body of God. 1=1, God = All = God = Christ



Christ is the body of God, just as you say. God is invisible.

The goal is the Father, correct.
We know the Father by the Son.
I give glory to God through His Son. They are the same thing. When you look in the mirror and check out your pants, are you just liking the mirror image or are you liking your pants? And remember, Christ is not a mirror image of God. A mirror image is backwards. Christ is a true image of God. Jesus is a physical manifestation whose vessel is used for Christ.

I will not forget everything I ever learned, however... because the Bible says it plainly. "I will make your name above all names." He says to Christ. Did He mean to say that Christ was above Him? Absolutely not. But by saying that Christ's name is about all names, He basically told us that Christ is the one to worship. So much is this true that the Bible replaces YHWH with LORD so that when the name of Christ is mentioned, IT IS GLORIFIED.

You should be careful, as you are treading on very thin ice. Be careful with your metaphors, do not get carried away. If you are not perfect at counting, one of these days your metaphors will turn on you.

But thank you for coming and offering support for the Lord.

I had to edit "about" to "above" for He -never- said, "I will make your name about names." Mwahaha.



[edit on 1/22/2010 by TarzanBeta]



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 06:25 PM
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btw, i edited my previous post because i first read something wrong.

ofcourse every sentence you have to read in the context,
forget everything means start over again, keep the words,
renew the context/meanings.

anyway, you say: "I will make your name above all names."
what it means if christ is the body of god, that all the other names will be forgotten. It means the parts will be seen as the parts of the total, and the total will be seen in the parts. Which is not difficult.
It is Joshuas stone, the stone had 7 eyes because for god it is not difficult to spread his will over his body, and let that will not contradict each other. It means christ is many, the body, god is one, the father, but they are both equal to each other. Because the will is one, the will is god. God lives his will through his divisions. but there is one will.

I know you still dont read that in the bible fully..

salvation means becoming one in will, before that there is living the lie of a difference in will. the lie is the antichrist when it stays in false peace.
The way is the son, is the father is growth instead of ignorance.


[edit on 22-1-2010 by pasttheclouds]



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by pasttheclouds
reply to post by TarzanBeta
 


first, there is no salvation before shortage,
shortage means pain, means hate, means desire.
Hate is a pre-condition to love. You can not see children murder each other and love it, before understanding you will hate it. The other option is ignorance, which is false peace. By hating you search for god in the hope you can forgive. don't be hard on another if you can find that same quality in yourself. Be hard but not deaf in words, be soft in heart.

forget everything you ever learned, and start all over again.

so who is christ ?


[edit on 22-1-2010 by pasttheclouds]


Very clever wording. However, hate is not a pre-condition to love. Very wrong, very fooling.

You started out promising, but you have finally gone too far.

You think hate is the foundation to love? Where has your brain gone? Is love not the foundation of hate? Which came first? Or do they coexist? IF that is the case, then how is it that hate would be the pre-condition to it?

You are making it possible for people to believe that it is okay to hate. This is FALSE TEACHING.

Be safe, friends.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 06:32 PM
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i said CONTEXT

learn to read the spirit, not the words

lying that you dont know hate, is a lie.
thats honesty.

If a kid kills babies, as in my country, then somewhere
in your heart there will be hate for the situation as opposite to ignorance
hate is not evil in its real meaning, hate is another word
for anger and no understanding of what happened,
and the need to understand it.

screaming that you don't know hate puts you in ignorance, a lie.
honesty is the command.
Love will change black into white, hate into love.

hate doe snot mean you have to take revenge, hate is a feeling.
a direction to try to change into white.

[edit on 22-1-2010 by pasttheclouds]



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by pasttheclouds
btw, i edited my previous post because i first read something wrong.

ofcourse every sentence you have to read in the context,
forget everything means start over again, keep the words,
renew the context/meanings.

anyway, you say: "I will make your name above all names."
what it means if christ is the body of god, that all the other names will be forgotten. It means the parts will be seen as the parts of the total, and the total will be seen in the parts. Which is not difficult.
It is Joshuas stone, the stone had 7 eyes because for god it is not difficult to spread his will over his body, and let that will not contradict each other. It means christ is many, the body, god is one, the father, but they are both equal to each other. Because the will is one, the will is god. God lives his will through his divisions. but there is one will.

I know you still dont read that in the bible fully..

salvation means becoming one in will, before that there is living the lie of a difference in will. the lie is the antichrist when it stays in false peace.
The way is the son, is the father is growth instead of ignorance.


[edit on 22-1-2010 by pasttheclouds]


I am behind everything you said here. Amen.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by pasttheclouds
i said CONTEXT

learn to read the spirit, not the words

lying that you dont know hate, is a lie.
thats honesty.

If a kid kills babies, as in my country, then somewhere
in your heart there will be hate for the situation as opposite to ignorance
hate is not evil in its real meaning, hate is another word
for anger and no understanding of what happened,
and the need to understand it.

screaming that you don't know hate puts you in ignorance, a lie.
honesty is the command.
Love will change black into white, hate into love.

hate doe snot mean you have to take revenge, hate is a feeling.
a direction to try to change into white.

[edit on 22-1-2010 by pasttheclouds]


I see what you're getting at.

And further contemplation reveals that you are right.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 06:42 PM
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you are fast and conquering, thats a lion. (attack/defend = double attack= cross) = LIGHTENING = REPENTING = REFLECTING = NEGATIVE = LEFT = HONESTY = ACCUSER
and honest, that changes the lion into a dove. (forgive, peace, cross) =
THUNDER = UNDERSTANDING = RIGHT = DEFENDER

the gospel wants people to change from left to right
ignorance does not want to be left first.
Ignorance thinks to be (God) before it is.
thinks not to be the lie = devil = accuser



[edit on 22-1-2010 by pasttheclouds]



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by miriam0566

Originally posted by pasttheclouds
Unity means being one means being literal means spiritual.
it means one. One does mean it is not divided.


i can never understand what you are saying.



Amen to that, I second the motion. Learn to communicate pasttheclouds in a more effective manner if you want to be taken seriously. Otherwise people will just skip over your posts.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 07:52 PM
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The first thing you do to tell me that I am sinning and in idolatry is to put up a picture? Did you think before you did that?


I don't worship or pray to a "picture", it was ONLY for illustrative purposes ONLY to answer a question that you asked. I have no images or icons whatsoever, I don't have a cross or beads or anything that Christendom promotes. You totally misunderstood the meaning of my posting that picture. And I am sorry you took it that way.

I had that picture on file from a previous discussion on ATS of how to pronounce the Almighty God's personal name from the Hebrew characters.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 08:12 PM
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you can't find what you dont search.
I give what i can give, and other people who are meant
to communicate will do it, after they understand the message.
they are michael, and they have a fight to do.



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