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posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 06:58 AM
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Originally posted by jolois
I honestly didn't go for the HAARP option, but I believethat 9/11 is a conspiracy, and I still empathy for the ones who died / lost loved ones.


I'm sure the HAARP seals feel the same way. This is their revenge. I'm surprised noone ever caught on. They aren't going to allow their babies to take any more head clubbing. We've terrorized them long enough and they're fighting back.




posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 03:47 PM
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ok ok its over, and done,im not gonna HAARP about this subject anymore



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 02:12 PM
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HAARP....LOCATED in a remote Alaskan wilderness...first of all this installation has a kill order to shoot any individuals un-authorized who try to breach its gate and barriers.
That said...the people who live near this facility...Know something is not right about this place. It is very secretive...and people who live there are afraid to talk about the Place. The installation basically uses Hundreds of antenna towers...to flood an area of sky with millions of watts of voltage..and electrify the sky...it has the capability of blowing a hole in the ionosphere....it can also bouce high frequency energy waves back down towards earth...which can affect weather and fault lines. One of the more diabolical capabilities of this facility...is that it is suspected of also being able to be applied towards mind control. This was investigated on Jesse Venturas conspiracy Theory program. They did a small experiment based on the premise that Haarp uses to operate...and they tried it on Jesse...the device the scientist used...was able to infiltrate jesse's thoughts with what he wanted to say to him.....and He heard the message in his mind....this can be used on an enoumous scale using Haarp...on a city or region......The whole Haarp progam is huge...and the facility...it technically not fully operational ....so they say.....

Regarind the Haiti explanation.....This does not necessarily mean it caused the Haiti earthquake as some think....but can you prove that it did not???? Have you done all the investigation necessary to say HAARP didnt cause it? By the same token...People who say it did.....Have they proved Haarp did cause it? did they do all the necessary investigation....the answer to both questions...is a resounding NO. But the point, remains...the facility....has the capacity to do it and no one can say if this was another test run or not...If this was a test...then what will be the demonstration for the actual target......ONe can only speculate what plans are in place .....those are the points myself and others are making about this facility ....



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 02:31 PM
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Please show evidence of armed guards at the facility.

There are 180 antennas in the heater array.

"Millions of watts of voltage" is a meaningless statement.

The ionosphere is over 600 km deep. The HAARP heater can affect a selected region of the ionosphere up to 10 km deep and 40 km across. It heats this region, it cannot "blow a hole in the ionosphere".

I guess by "high frequency energy waves" you mean radio waves. Yes it does that. It's called radar. Radar cannot affect weather or fault lines.

Jesse Ventura got tricked (he's not very bright). Radio energy cannot project sounds or thoughts into your head. But just to be sure maybe you should wear a tinfoil hat.
en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 1/23/2010 by Phage]



posted on Jan, 25 2010 @ 04:42 PM
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this thread is dead, i still wanna hear more arguments

bump bump



posted on Jan, 25 2010 @ 05:21 PM
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I must say its pretty suspicious the last big earthquakes of the last decade where in China 2008 [before the olympics] and bam Iran in 2003

Due to the earthquake, relations between the United States and Iran thawed. Following the earthquake the U.S. offered direct humanitarian assistance to Iran and in return the state promised to comply with an agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency which supports greater monitoring of its nuclear interests. source:wiki
and of course the 2004 Tsunami...

But lets not forget HAARP is only at Alaska[aside from dozens of other auroral projects around the globe but you keep speaking of HAARP], it can only influence the Nother American region and maybe Northern Russia[due to the "bending of the Earth] there are other Tectonic weapons which only use the low frequency [acoustic]waves needed for such an Earthquake, Naval vessels may have it, other countries might have them too[remember the 2003 earthquake in Georgia, a green party spokesman accused Russia
]



[edit on 25-1-2010 by Foppezao]



posted on Jan, 25 2010 @ 05:35 PM
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Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, quoted as saying at a conference in April 1997,

"Others are engaging even in an eco type of terrorism, whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes or volcanos remotely, through the use of electromagnetic waves



posted on Jan, 25 2010 @ 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by Sabres452000
HAARP....LOCATED in a remote Alaskan wilderness...first of all this installation has a kill order to shoot any individuals un-authorized who try to breach its gate and barriers.


Any evidence at all of that stupid claim? No, I did not think so!


It is very secretive.


So secretive that they have open days there....


with millions of watts of voltage


???? That silly statement shows you have no clue at all what HAARP does... how can you have millions of watts of voltage??


This was investigated on Jesse Venturas conspiracy Theory program.


I saw it on tv so it must be true...


was able to infiltrate jesse's thoughts with what he wanted to say to him.....and He heard the message in his mind....this can be used on an enoumous scale using Haarp...on a city or region


No they did not



posted on Jan, 25 2010 @ 06:22 PM
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Nice out of context quote. Why not provide the whole thing?


Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.

A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important.


He is talking about the use of false claims (disinfo if you like) about such capabilities as an easy means of creating terror and creating distractions. They don't have to actually be able to do it, they just have to talk about it to scare people silly.

Seems to be working.

[edit on 1/25/2010 by Phage]



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 11:08 AM
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Look up the power Usage of haarp. Then Ask urself why Obama's dumb Ace is not shutting it down in his 3 point Bs plan.. Hes a slave puppet just like bush was. Hillery would have been the same.. Some say haarp is off the Grid. If So? Then that PROVES the energy tech has already been invented.. Americans are slaves that think they are free.. I'm so Proud my country is working to be socialist



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 11:12 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 01:23 PM
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First things first: The use of radio frequency and microwave electromagnetic radiation to trigger earthquakes and other geological activity from a distance is scientifically IMPOSSIBLE! So the idea that the HAARP transmitter is causing such disasters is complete nonsense. The amount of energy required to produce a 7.0 earthquake originating 8.1 miles underground would require a 480 kiloton nuclear device detonated underground at a depth no greater than 1 mile. The total energy released by a 480 kT explosion is 2.00832* 10^15 joules. The HAARP transmitter has a maximum output of 5.1 gigawatts which is 5.1 billion joules per second. So in a nutshell, the HAARP doesn't even come close to producing enough power to cause an earthquake of that magnitude even if such a thing were possible.



What the HAARP is actually used for is submarine communication. It does this by generating ELF waves in the ionosphere using amplitude modulation. There is no evidence that it can create destructive atmospheric effects at large distances and part of the reason for this is the dispersion factor of Hertzian waves.



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 01:23 PM
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First things first: The use of radio frequency and microwave electromagnetic radiation to trigger earthquakes and other geological activity from a distance is scientifically IMPOSSIBLE! So the idea that the HAARP transmitter is causing such disasters is complete nonsense. The amount of energy required to produce a 7.0 earthquake originating 8.1 miles underground would require a 480 kiloton nuclear device detonated underground at a depth no greater than 1 mile. The total energy released by a 480 kT explosion is 2.00832* 10^15 joules. The HAARP transmitter has a maximum output of 5.1 gigawatts which is 5.1*10^9 joules per second. So in a nutshell, the HAARP doesn't even come close to producing enough power to cause an earthquake of that magnitude even if such a thing were possible.



What the HAARP is actually used for is submarine communication. It does this by generating ELF waves in the ionosphere using amplitude modulation. There is no evidence that it can create destructive atmospheric effects at large distances and part of the reason for this is the dispersion factor of Hertzian waves.
edit on 23-5-2013 by YogSohoth because: Typd



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by YogSohoth

First things first: The use of radio frequency and microwave electromagnetic radiation to trigger earthquakes and other geological activity from a distance is scientifically IMPOSSIBLE! So the idea that the HAARP transmitter is causing such disasters is complete nonsense.


Agree with this...



The HAARP transmitter has a maximum output of 5.1 gigawatts


No. It has a maximum output of about 3.2MW. The other number is an ERP, which isn't the total radiated power output at all, but a performance number that factors in antenna gain. ERP is not output power.



What the HAARP is actually used for is submarine communication. It does this by generating ELF waves in the ionosphere using amplitude modulation.


At one time you could use HAARP for this, if everything else was right at the time. Generally only at night and only at certain seasons of the year. But we don't use ELF for sub communication anymore. Now it's all VLF and something else, and there's a number of VLF transmitter sites worldwide that we use. We shut down all the ELF transmitters a few years back.

There's many things they use HAARP for, mostly research.



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 02:17 PM
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Was HAARP Used in OK to Bail Out the POTUS? (ATS Thread)Here's the FIRST RESPONSE, which got more stars than the actual post.


No. HAARP can not make the weather change. Because: Physics.
Because of physics, huh? The Three Laws of Motion

Newton's First Law of Motion states that in order for the motion of an object to change, a force must act upon it, a concept generally called inertia. Newton's Second Law of Motion defines the relationship between acceleration, force, and mass. Newton's Third Law of Motion states that any time a force acts from one object to another, there is an equal force acting back on the original object. If you pull on a rope, therefore, the rope is pulling back on
Do we really need to discuss this matter any further? I'm pretty sure a storm would be considered an "object"
lol

Object: ob·ject (b j kt, -j kt) n. 1. Something perceptible by one or more of the senses, especially by vision or touch; a material thing.

Yup, a storm would be considered an "object"; therefore, that object CAN BE CHANGED, according the the 1st Law of Motion. Even a cloud can be changed because it also, is an object.



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 02:31 PM
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A single cumulus cloud weighs about 550 tons.

If you extrapolate out the size of a single thunderstorm, how much energy is needed to change that?
The laws remain the same, but size really does matter sometimes.



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by WonderBoi
Do we really need to discuss this matter any further? I'm pretty sure a storm would be considered an "object"
lol

Object: ob·ject (b j kt, -j kt) n. 1. Something perceptible by one or more of the senses, especially by vision or touch; a material thing.

Yup, a storm would be considered an "object"; therefore, that object CAN BE CHANGED, according the the 1st Law of Motion. Even a cloud can be changed because it also, is an object.


*sigh*

How are you planning to accelerate it with a radio wave?

Before you post a lot of "lols", you might ask some basic questions here.



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by Bedlam


No. It has a maximum output of about 3.2MW.


What is your source for this figure?



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by YogSohoth

Originally posted by Bedlam


No. It has a maximum output of about 3.2MW.


What is your source for this figure?


I've got quite a few. One, I know what their finals are, and how many they've got, and I know how much loss they have in the cables and tuners.

And that number matches with what their website says. If you run both polarizations, you can put 3.6MW out at the connectors of the finals. You lose about 400KW getting out of the antennas, but that's sort of dependent on the frequency you're running.

You can also get a good estimate by looking at the power they've got available to the finals and the final efficiency numbers, and THAT correlates well to the number on their web site.

However, you rarely run both polarizations, so in practice, you get about 1.6MW output.
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posted on May, 24 2013 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by Sabres452000
HAARP....LOCATED in a remote Alaskan wilderness...first of all this installation has a kill order to shoot any individuals un-authorized who try to breach its gate and barriers.
That said...the people who live near this facility...Know something is not right about this place. It is very secretive...and people who live there are afraid to talk about the Place. The installation basically uses Hundreds of antenna towers...to flood an area of sky with millions of watts of voltage..and electrify the sky...it has the capability of blowing a hole in the ionosphere....it can also bouce high frequency energy waves back down towards earth...which can affect weather and fault lines. One of the more diabolical capabilities of this facility...is that it is suspected of also being able to be applied towards mind control. This was investigated on Jesse Venturas conspiracy Theory program. They did a small experiment based on the premise that Haarp uses to operate...and they tried it on Jesse...the device the scientist used...was able to infiltrate jesse's thoughts with what he wanted to say to him.....and He heard the message in his mind....this can be used on an enoumous scale using Haarp...on a city or region......The whole Haarp progam is huge...and the facility...it technically not fully operational ....so they say.....

Regarind the Haiti explanation.....This does not necessarily mean it caused the Haiti earthquake as some think....but can you prove that it did not???? Have you done all the investigation necessary to say HAARP didnt cause it? By the same token...People who say it did.....Have they proved Haarp did cause it? did they do all the necessary investigation....the answer to both questions...is a resounding NO. But the point, remains...the facility....has the capacity to do it and no one can say if this was another test run or not...If this was a test...then what will be the demonstration for the actual target......ONe can only speculate what plans are in place .....those are the points myself and others are making about this facility ....


If HAARP could blow a hole in the ionosphere, the Sun would have already blasted the whole thing into nothingness. Sir, you really dont have any clue what you are talking about.



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