Very nice Phage, I was hoping that you'd comment on this.

Does anyone know what would happen if they pointed that thing at the crust instead of the sky? Could all that power somehow effect the plates, maybe make them move? I doubt it would get past all that rock. Just throwing ideas out there.

If Tesla said it was possible that altering the ionosphere could cause earthquakes, then I believe it is possible, because I think Tesla was an amazing genius.
But what I fail to ever see is some sort of information on HOW this could happen - by what mechanism does this work (theoretically?) How does heating up the ionosphere cause the ground to move miles inside the crust?

Originally posted by vjr1113
Very nice Phage, I was hoping that you'd comment on this.

Funny how you were "hoping that phage would comment" are you serious? Instead of doing your own research you end up using other peoples research which you don't even know to be true since you did not even look for yourself.

This does not qualify you to make a comment in a thread, not at all, especially while agreeing with said research. Comment all you want, but jumping on the 'phage band wagon' is pretty lame, and annoying all the same.

I think the OP has brought up some extensive research, and although some things are unclear since this is technically a conspiracy at this point in time, it doesn't mean you can't appreciate the time someone put into making the thread.

And someone else wants to call this a hoax? Based on what?! Once again another person who just reads a thread, judges it based on their sacred knowledge of the inner workings of the world and goes along their marry way.

Do your own research, back it up, and if you want some responses then try putting it in a format similar to the OP's format, because that is the way to present something, plain and simple.

Those of you are antimately arguing that this was not caused by HAARP sound more foolish than those who who heavily believe it was. Neither side has presented any viable research. Citing university based reached or Einsteins contributions as relative information is silly. Tesla used an ether based model in application and succeeded with it many times over. Einstein did not. Tesla had long discovered the underpinnings of atomics, and therefore whether mass conversion was discovered or engineered was of no relevance. It is of great significance that there is increases activity, but that is all. One of the things I noted with the field measurement is the intensity at ~2HZ. You would suspect that resonance would occur at 6.67 to 7.5HZ, but the chart does not go that high. Little was discussed by Tesla on the actual manipulation of ELF waves, and it is possible that the high intensity lines around 2 HZ could be a harmonic atc 1/3 to 1/4 cycle. Using the U3 model, which supercedes special relativity, whenever it was accepted (as Tesla did), it would not be difficult to generate such a reaction. (especially if you have been researching it with unlimited money for 100 years) Learning the actual manipulation required would be rather difficult for an individual with limited resources. In the future, for those monitering harp, there must be some other things included, besides the main field. THe main field is a function of many input variables, that include the sun, haarp, earth itself, time (as in position in the universe), and others. Drawing conclusion from the Earth's field is futile, because there is much more input that affects the field that are major compared to Haarp. Here are some variables that must be considered for greater isolation of variables, before the system can be a higher probability event, but there will never be proof in either direction, wholly, less you were part of it, directly, and even then, you probably wouldn't fully know.

1.Power consumption of Haarp facility (this will be difficult)
2.Frequency ouput of harp system (longitudinal pulses) not transverse
3.Satelite interaction (by frequency association (direct or harmonic)
4.The earth field
5.The Sun
6.Other significant celestial line ups (that the sun will react to)

We would be better of leaving it as a possibility rather than becoming the "the proof guru", in either determination. Scientifically speaking, neither argument holds any water due to lack of knowledge of what to look for and of the information itself. It would probably not be beneficial to anyone to even seek some of the information, and that has implications in itself. Just something to keep in your hat.

Remember that movie Under Siege 2? With that satellite that shot the beam down and caused the earthquakes? I think movie writers and movies hide the truth in plain sight... Not saying it was HAARP, but I wouldn't be suprised if it was..


Deebo

Earth quakes and fault lines are way down the line from source, and all is natural, even if caused by man. Understanding that there is no answer and that all you can do is be aware that the answer always moves further down the line, until just out of sight, is a start. Otherwise you are a self proclaimed guru, repeating what other gurus have said. The issue here isn't whether or not Haiti was man made or natural, it is all natural. All man can do is copy nature, and that is always what he has done. Unfortunately, he has chosen to use it to deter life, rather than expand it. The real discussion is whether or not:

A: the technology exists to use scalar longitudinal pulses in resonance to store large amounts of potential energy in EMF form, that can be used as energy for specific purposes.

This has no positive and negative to it. There are no sides, only the ones you create with ignorance. If you have information or understanding then put it up. We can depict through its usefullness ourselves, we don't need judges. If you personally have never pursued these avenues of research yourself, and dont have any idea what scalar waves are in relation and difference to herztian waves, then you have no business denouncing anything. You work through the negative into the positive. Which is?

If there is evidence of any sort that scalar resonance occurs in nature, and that man should look to nature for example due to its inherent efficiancy, then it should be explored. All the laws of thermodynamics and Newtonian physics are gudelines and the energy balances are closed loop. Closed loop models do not work with what we are speaking of.

Every atom is an over unity device. All physical objects are composed of atoms. The charge source is not contained in a battery. Gravity is undefined, only observed. Gravity has more magnitude vectors than you were told. So does electricity. Resonance does occur and every one has had experience with it. The speed of light is not constant and is not the speed limit of the universe. Time can be engineered and has been. Time is not linear as we have been taught. The only way to explain and replicate these statements is apply it yourself, however you see fit. Try and repeat some a TEsla's work on a bench, study and apply, see how it relates to other things. Which brings us to the real bottom question.

Does there exist an ether field?

And then I'll leave you with a question.

If we are measuring light waves (which are massless diturbances that can occur and transition into physical mass), what are these light waves disturbing? If light waves are a disurbance to the natural "ground" state in a vaccuum, must not that medium be travelling at the spped of light? If this medium can be moved or there is evidence of it moving on its own, would it not start from the speed of light?... meaning in order to detect it, you could not use light speed sensing equipment, such as your eyes. But you could observe "work", and if certain things are going on that are backwards of what we have been taught, and work is being done, you can measure the result. The ether model is an open system in which the same energy that causes atoms to run and all things to exists in all forms of radiant or physical energy, is the energy that is extracted into the system by breaking symetry, something nature does every moment in everytime to create existence and life. It includes newtonian physics, quantum mechanics, special and general relativity, and coincides with the grand unified theory. It is re-enforced in torsion physics, DePalma's work, john bedini, Tesla's work, Reich's work, Myron Evans, tom bearden, many universities of many nationalities, and most important, in everyday life. It includes and works as an engineerable model either speeding up or slowing down the field that is nearest detectable to us that runs all things. It supports all spiritual and religious teachings.

I have a question that i don't think anyone has considered asking, or maybe it has and i just haven't found it, as there are quite a few threads on this Haiti thing. I also figure this quake was a Haarp jobby, but what i find really wierd is this.

I have friends that are in Jamaica. They never felt any kind of quakes, or tremors of any kind, and Jamaica is virtually right beside Haiti!! Why is that? A quake with that magnitude, you would think people on the next island would have felt something! But none of the surrounding islands felt anything!

Anyone with answers out there???