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posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 01:27 PM
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Look here for a confronting article with the famous picture, that just won't get released, for one reason or another:


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posted on Jul, 15 2005 @ 09:10 AM
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I've heard people debunk this image as 'shakey lens syndrome' , but how come the rocket's white trail is not 'shakey' too??



posted on Jul, 15 2005 @ 10:26 AM
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The shaky lens theory is BS, plain and simple. If you know about cameras, then you know this stright off the bat.



posted on Jul, 5 2006 @ 12:03 AM
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admin note: Image remove per request from copyright owner.

I just thought it'd be appropriate for this thread to have an image of the picture that is in question. The purple streak can clearly be seen merging with the shuttle's plasma trail, where the trail immediately brightens in the direction of the shuttle. A few minutes later the shuttle started breaking up.

Foam breaking off my ass.



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posted on Jul, 5 2006 @ 08:03 AM
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I remember seeing the video of the columbia moments before it broke up on the BBC news website. (Which I cannot find anywhere online now). I noticed something very strange, there was a small flash, and then as the Columbia continued the vapour trail was glowing in the place where the flash had occured. It was as if it had hit a wall of energy and that energy was interacting with the vapour trail, as it stayed in the same place.
Maybe this is evidence of signa's scalar weapon theory?



posted on Jul, 5 2006 @ 10:49 AM
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I don't know about that, or if any weapons were even employed at all. I know the solar conditions at the time were extremely erratic, and there were many sunspots and solar flares going down. The Columbia was photographing and researching the many different light shows our atmosphere was putting on, thanks to the energy supplied by the Sun.

They could have been desperately racing home for all we know, but what we should know is that they don't tell us everything about what they do up there. If the Columbia was downed by lightning, people would start asking why and we're not supposed to know about the Electric Universe. If it became widely accepted that electromagnetics run the show then we'd start piecing together our history, including the uses for such a device like the Arc of the Covenant and the Great Pyr-mid if it had a gold capstone.

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posted on Jul, 5 2006 @ 12:05 PM
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The lightning thing is interesting, but as I recall, the NASA guys knew that damage was possible as soon as the tape was reviewed, and the really bad part came when SPADOC's radar system was able to image something moving in orbit with the shuttle that was, oddly enough, just about the length of the T-seal.

That news was going around the community before they reentered. So, whatever contribution the lightning made, if any, was probably moot.

The question of what this type of discharge might be capable of in terms of damaging exoatmospheric craft is one that needs to be addressed, though.

Oh, that stuff about scalar weapons...Bearden's got a bug up his arse on that subject. There's a lot of reasons NOT to believe that EM is longitudinal, or even can be. Tom's a smart guy, I've spoken with him several times. But you start poking at his maths and he just goes nuts. It's one of those near religious obsessions with him.



posted on Jul, 5 2006 @ 01:08 PM
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Well of course they're really going to plug the whole foam thing because they knew about the dangerous electric conditions in space before they did the mission. They needed an excuse to fall back on in case something happened, and something happened. Just like they're pushing the whole foam story about this new mission, once again. If it blows up from another lightning strike then no surprise, there were cracks in the foam.

The important thing is that people don't realize that lightning is not generated in the lower atmosphere and in clouds but in space, between large bodies like the planets and stars. If people realize this, then a cascade of events will take place where we suddenly realize the electromagnetic connection between all things. Everything will suddenly make sense, to good and bad people alike.

Then we'll start looking back on what our ancestors had to say with this newfound knowledge, and we will ponder the usefullness of such devices as the Arc of the Covenant (electric capacitor) and the Great Pyr-mid ("fire in the middle" in Greek) if it had a gold capstone. We would look at planets such as Mars and suddenly we'd understand what happened to that planet and why 3000 feet of elevation is missing from the northern hemisphere while the southern hemisphere appears to be crushed with lightning strikes. We would know why Venus orbits the Sun so perfectly, rotating the opposite direction, and we would find out why the Mayans chose 2012.

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posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 04:56 PM
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This photo was taken by an amateur astronomer from the San Francisco area. In the photograph a purplish corkscrew streamer merges with the plasma trail of the shuttle, which then brightens significantly.

NASA scientists looked at the photograph and dismissed the corkscrew streamer as an artifact created by jiggling of the camera. The NASA 'explanation' was not accompanied by any published analysis, only a statement that there was no thunderstorm activity below Columbia when the photograph was taken.

The reference to an "absence of regional storm activity" implies that scientists know what causes lightning. On the contrary, a world authority on the subject, Dr. Martin Uman, admits that the cause of the charge separation that results in lightning in a thunderstorm is not understood. It is simply a belief that thunderstorms somehow generate lightning.



Dr. Alfred Beddard of the National Oceanics and Atmospherics Administration, who was the first to record powerful infrasound from high-altitude sprites, had his array of detectors trained on the shuttle re-entry path. He had recorded the sounds of shuttle re-entries before. This time he detected an unusual "geophysical event, as powerful as an earthquake" close to the shuttle's path, moments before Columbia's breakup.


SOURCE Yahoo Answers and they have the picture posted also..

The picture below was taken just before the lausnch was scrubbed due to lightning... Prophetic?



SOURCE BBC NEWS



NASA officials took the photograph seriously enough that they enlisted experts in low-frequency sound waves, or "infrasound," to look for evidence of a faint thunderclap at the time the photograph was taken. The unique quality of infrasound is that it carries for thousands of miles. Infrasonic arrays can detect volcanoes erupting, the hiss of meteors, lightning strikes and the sound of space shuttles returning home.

Although the scientists did not find evidence of a celestial thunderclap in the recording of Columbia's descent, there were some curious findings. The network of 10 infrasonic stations -- spread from Hawaii to Texas -- picked up an unusual burst of sound as the shuttle passed over the California-Nevada border. The sound occurred at the same moment that a photographer near Reno snapped pictures showing a brightening of the shuttle's plasma trail.


SOURCE San Francisco Chronicle


Wild Blue Yonder: San Francisco Photos indicate Shuttle Columbia was struck by Hyper-Lightning on Reentry by Guy Cramer

The Photos NASA won't yet release to the public concerning lightning apparently striking the Shuttle Columbia on reentry over San Francisco minutes before the breakup have been released in the United Kingdom on a TV documentary called Megalightning. The Columbia Accident Investigation Board reviewed the photos but claimed that the anomaly must be due to camera shake and not an actual lighting strike as no thunder storm was in the local area as had been seen in previous research on high altitude lightning. I have posted these photos from the TV show below. Since receiving these photos in January 2005 provided from Andy Robins (used from the documentary), I have requested the actual photos directly from NASA Administration through the Freedom of Information Act but have not received anything in six months. The evidence within the photos is contrary to the CAIB expert evaluation which may be why the photos have been kept out of public scrutiny.

I corresponded with NASA JPL about three years ago on a research program, they required an expert in Air Ions and had been told I was the expert. They said at the end of the research that I had saved them 10-15 years of time with the material I provided them. Understandably when the Columbia accident occurred, due to the region of the atmosphere where the initial problems occurred (ionosphere) I began to conduct my own research which was later reviewed by the CAIB.



REST OF ARTICLE HERE

NOTICE The photos have been REMOVED by request from the above article. I would suggest you all keep a copy of the lone photo posted above so it doesn't vanish altogether. It must be really sensitive to have it pulled from all websites... The only place I found it was at Yahoo and here at ATS. All other websites only mention it.



posted on Nov, 8 2006 @ 11:57 PM
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I honestly think the problem was foam falling off the shuttle. However I beleive Lightning is possible.

Also, for those who havn't seen the picture, here it is:


Also, you don't need thunderstorms for lightning. Helicopters have shocked themselves from static electricity generated by the helo itself. A helicopter blew its tail rotor off by this.
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posted on Nov, 10 2006 @ 12:43 PM
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I've known this picture for years, but finding it on the web got progressively more difficult if not impossible.... speaks pretty much for itself, doesn't it?

anyway, i'd like to know why only the downstream portion brightens.. if i understood correctly, the shuttle looks more or less like a glowing dot upon re-entry, the line effect is due to exposure time. if so, at the time of lightning, the downward section of the trail doesn't even exist yet.

Additionally, lightning happens between two 'electrodes', where are they? i can see the shuttle piercing plasma layers, resulting in a zap, but then it should have been in the middle of the bolt not at one end.



posted on Nov, 12 2006 @ 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by Long Lance...anyway, i'd like to know why only the downstream portion brightens.. if i understood correctly, the shuttle looks more or less like a glowing dot upon re-entry, the line effect is due to exposure time. if so, at the time of lightning, the downward section of the trail doesn't even exist yet.

Additionally, lightning happens between two 'electrodes', where are they? i can see the shuttle piercing plasma layers, resulting in a zap, but then it should have been in the middle of the bolt not at one end.


A little birdie told me to come here an help clarify some things


While I am not claiming to be an expert I feel confident enough to offer insight. In answer to Lance's inquiry, the gnome (component of megalightning) struck after the conducting plasma trail was formed thus shorting the upper cathode of the ionosphere with the anode of the troposphere.

Now by your leave I will return to my "work"



posted on Nov, 13 2006 @ 05:46 AM
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your post answered nothing, i know what electrodes are, they were put into quotation marks because they have to exhibit rather strange properties this picture if there are any, or perspective is playing its tricks:

translation: there are NO concentrated elements in space, your link explains nothing and imho shows a clear lack of understanding for my question, be that due to my wording or for other reasons.

in cloud to ground lightning, one electrode is the surface, the other is partially obscured by clouds, although i'll give you a hint: they often branch visibly (no concentrated element within the clouds, a spatial discharge not a single_point to single_point discharge) the lightning we see here imo shows dim, short lightning that does not reveal its origin. even if shuttle+trail were part of ONE electrode, the other is somehow obscured or it simply does not exist.

that's all of course inconsequential in the end: asking how a lightning flash can possibly illuminate trail portions that do not yet exist, however is not, either invalidate that point or at least adress it before posting condescending stuff like this. if you think your link is in any way an explanation then i can't help but ask you wether you think of plasma layers as discrete, solid shells around the earth.


the last time i asked this question in another thread, all i got was derision and contempt, by who you might ask? by holy JL himself the same guy who's omnipotent, frequently cited credentials essentially revolve around working for the government, whose moonblot pics draw universal attention that amounts to hysteria, while at the same time satellite pics of underground base entrances or even moon pic archives with thousands of pics instead of just four are routinely falling by the wayside.

if your little birdie somehow fits into my ramblings i urge you to ask yourself how i could possibly predict it (i suck at prophecies), if it doesn't, feel free to ignore the last paragraph.


i see a pattern here and i don't like it. for all it's worth, to me the pic looks as if some object (with a visible trail of its own) approached the shuttle and hit it, airframe damage resulted in more drag and therefore temperatures, accumulative damage by melting and disintegration doomed the shuttle which was at that time unable to communicate due to re-entry...



posted on Nov, 13 2006 @ 10:32 AM
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Thanks for the long reply but I didn't realize I was being condenscending. Or maybe you thought I was patronizing you. Or perhaps you don't take well to compliments and see the glass half empty instead of half full. Or maybe you just had a bad day, I have my share! Be glad of one thing though, your emotion proves that you are human and it is very difficult to be born human.

As far as JL, I doubt if anyone has twisted your arm to fall in step with the others who try to follow him. I don't follow him because he is not a strong leader, so I run with my own discoveries and ideas. If you know of thousands of photos that are ignored then it is only the fault of the one who has this knowledge. No one else can force you to do anything with what you think or know.


So, as I stated in the previous post, the cathode is the positively charged ionosphere, and the positive current of protons connects and flows along the conducting path of ion plasma that the shuttle leaves behind (towards the negatively charged troposphere), so the shuttle is already there and gone before the lightning strike. I can't see how you claim the trail cannot exist yet. Also there is no reason streamers of ion charges cannot branch out into these layers to create the transmission and collection terminals you are looking for. But I doubt if you could see them, even if you were there with sensitive instruments.


Are we on the same page yet, or is there any further elucidation I need to do to further clarify my understanding of the phenomena?



posted on Nov, 13 2006 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by Matyas
Thanks for the long reply but I didn't realize I was being condenscending.



what does a rolleye smiley followed by linking an elementary paper indicate?


tbh, i have no idea what really happened, i'm simply basing my drivel on one fact and a (imho well founded) assumption, namely that on TV footage, the shuttle looked like a bright dot upon re-entry and that the pic we are seeing was significantly influenced exposure time (so the 'trail' is just a smeared bright dot in that case), which in turn raises question regarding the nature of the 'corkscrew'.

If this pic was taken during an instant, with very short exposure time, then all of what i said collapses like a house of cards, if i'm right (astronomic photographs usually require relatively long exposure times) it could still have been lightning (which then struck the ion trail, not the shuttle), with the mentioned caveats, though. in this case, a shuttle would have to leave a long, visibly glowing trail, of course.



posted on Nov, 13 2006 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by Long Lance...what does a rolleye smiley followed by linking an elementary paper indicate?


I suppose it can be construed that way.
I saw the link as being clear, not elementary. Let's face it, humans don't know what emf is, and I have seen years of haggling over what actually moves in a circuit if there is any motion at all. My own theory views the breakdown of a diaelectric as actually a breakdown of S/T. But that doesn't suit our purposes here.

Anyway, I thought it was settled. Megalightning downed the Columbia. That is why NASA is so mum on it, they need to rework their models.


...which in turn raises question regarding the nature of the 'corkscrew'.


Well, by my own guess, if there is a plasma trail chances are that there is already a current present, from which end I know not. Using the hand rule (no link here, you probably already know)
a current creates a magnetic field that could trap the heavy proton charge until it slows enough to be drawn in by the leader charge in the plasma trail.


If this pic was taken during an instant, with very short exposure time, then all of what i said collapses like a house of cards, if i'm right (astronomic photographs usually require relatively long exposure times) it could still have been lightning (which then struck the ion trail, not the shuttle), with the mentioned caveats, though. in this case, a shuttle would have to leave a long, visibly glowing trail, of course.


I am assuming it was taken in an instant. The real data still rests in the hands of the photographer. This photo looks as if it was taken in daylight before the Sun's light hits our atmosphere. That should not be too hard to pin down, one just needs the location and time of the photo. A bolt can conceivably overtake the shuttle (as you already know).

I thought everyone knew about this. I have been looking at the pictures for about two years now, and I was under the impression it was a done deal, it being decided Columbia was downed by megalightning. Apparently there is another wave of people out of the loop. If I seem patronizing to either you or Zorgon, I apologize. I still find it hard to believe people don't know.



posted on Nov, 14 2006 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by Matyas If I seem patronizing to either you or Zorgon, I apologize. I still find it hard to believe people don't know.


Well I have been hiding in the 14th century the past few years so I have a valid excuse...


News traveled slowly back then and many times they shot the messenger


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posted on Nov, 14 2006 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by Long Lance
whose moonblot pics draw universal attention that amounts to hysteria, while at the same time satellite pics of underground base entrances or even moon pic archives with thousands of pics instead of just four are routinely falling by the wayside.




Well one big difference is that the 7 new JL's pics are clear high resolution images, the source of which can be easily confirmed from numerous sources, whereas the "thousands" of pics you refer to are out of focus, over enhanced and manipulated copies that appear on websites all over the world. A good example is the "Shard" There is only one original image to work from and that is a poor copy. The rest of the pictures around the circuit are just taken from that.

If you know of any clear images of anomalies and base entrances that come with a proper link to the image source, I for one would appreciate a link. So far the only site I have found that comes close to pointing to the originals is Lunar Anomalies

Chirp!



posted on Nov, 14 2006 @ 09:25 PM
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posted on Nov, 14 2006 @ 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by ViolatoR
It exploded because the space shuttle was going faster than light.



Hmmm If thats true then how did the lightning bolt catch up with it?

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