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Why do liberals seem to HATE conservatives and Christianity?

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posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 04:45 PM
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This is simple. Liberals are generally free thinking people that avoid the normal constrants of society to form their opinions. Religion and especially Christianity is nothing more than a mental prison and pyramid scheme. When you look at devout followers of Christianity usually you get unintelligent people who cannot think for themselves nor believe in themselves. I personally think religion and especially Christianity is one of the worst things to ever happen to mankind. Since the conservative ideological base is generally populated by frothing at the mouth Christians, you can see why most people despise both.




posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 04:56 PM
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By the by, I hate the terms "liberal" and "conservative" I think they're used in ignorance to perpetuate fear of an opposing view and create division amongst Americans. When in reality I think most Americans can agree on the basics and have similar hopes and aspirations for our country. Anytime I see a retard spout off about "liberals" or "conservatives" I generally tune out everything else they have to say because they obviously haven't reached a level of consciousness beyond non-existent battle lines. However, since most Americans are stupid people line up around the block to fight over nothing while the pockets are picked and their liberty robbed.



posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint
The hate is mutual.

Certain members of the right wing and certain Christian churches seem to hate liberals. Many right wingers have labeled Obama and his supporters with names like "Hitler" and worse. Some Christians say that gay people and people that support abortion are going to hell.

Members of the right wing and certain churches have fought to take rights away from certain liberal groups. For example, certain churches have funded political initiatives to eliminate the right of gay people to get married. Should gays perceive this as hate?


Point taken. You got people on the far right who push others around and it kinda pisses everyone else off.



posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 05:44 PM
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I understand that many words have different meanings to different people. However when I think of the word liberal the definition "someone who hates someone based on their political beliefs" or "someone who is intolerant of the political beliefs they disagree with" does not come to mind. The opposite in fact.

This is a general dictionary definition of the word "liberal."

a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.



posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by coastalite
liberal friends and family members to explain to me why they say they HATE Beck and Limbaugh and Palin, Bush, etc. I mean, they convey to me an utter hatred and disgust for these people.


here's why i hate them. . .

limbaugh= racist, sexist, party-ist (random and i hope you get it) and several other ists. palin an bush, wow, the biggest idiots on the planet that make america look stupid. palin. . . umm "i will try to do all i can to help the COUNTRY of africa" etc. . .



In addition, why do liberals seem to have such a strong distaste for Christianity? Most of my liberal friends and family members are not fans of Christianity at all. Even mentioning the name Jesus Christ seems to disgust them and believe me, I am no Bible beater. However, they don't seem to have any problems with other religions and they defend Radical Islam. Why is that?


christianity is sexist, racist, does not address points of slavery and related things, and does not have any proof that its god exists, but no religions do. radical islam, are you sure that they are not defending Islam, not radical? Islam is truly peace loving, the radical is done by people who have misinterpreted the Koran.



I find it troubling that my liberal friends and family members are so full of hatred towards conservatives on the national stage. It's not dislike, it's full on disgust and hatred. I've challenged them to sit down and listen to Limbaugh and THEN decide whether or not to HATE him. Unfortunately, they are completely closed-minded and unwilling to even LISTEN to anyone who isn't advancing a liberal agenda.


i have listened to limbaugh, and nary has a more ego-centric ("proven to be right 99% of the time"), racist, or downright ignorant person been allowed to walk the land. and i am not close- minded, which is why i am so able to be so objective towards religion and such.



So, why all the HATE on the left?


here's a similar question. . .

why all the HATE on the right?

they hate change, hate free thinking, have a gang mentality that HATES seeing people making decisions for themselves, hate other races, hate intelligence (
) and hate this and that and this, etc.




posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 08:51 AM
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Islam is a peace loving relgion, you are so freaking disturbed, those people have the authority to kill non belivers.... Show me in the bible where Jesus commands you to kill non belivers. You talk about how Christians are stupid maybe you should look in the mirror.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by CuriousSkeptic
This is simple. Liberals are generally free thinking people that avoid the normal constrants of society to form their opinions. Religion and especially Christianity is nothing more than a mental prison and pyramid scheme. When you look at devout followers of Christianity usually you get unintelligent people who cannot think for themselves nor believe in themselves. I personally think religion and especially Christianity is one of the worst things to ever happen to mankind. Since the conservative ideological base is generally populated by frothing at the mouth Christians, you can see why most people despise both.


And this is why the liberal movement in America most change its thinking. You say your free thinking people, I say you’re the most hateful people in the world. You people believe in nothing, you attacked bush and the repukes for the wars in the middle east, yet your democraps have escalated and spent more on it. You fools think taking from the rich and giving to the poor is going to teach them something, when all it teaches them to do is become lazy.

Yes there are some Right wingers and Christians who are hateful but they are not the majority. I know more Christians who are colleague educated, and are free thinkers. There was a study and I will try to find it for you that said Conservatives are more likely to reach an agreement or negotiate with people they don’t agree with then Liberals.

Take the recent election for Kennedys seat example strong liberal state, A conservative with Conservative ideas won that state fairly... What’s that say to you?



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by CuriousSkeptic
This is simple. Liberals are generally free thinking people that avoid the normal constrants of society to form their opinions. Religion and especially Christianity is nothing more than a mental prison and pyramid scheme. When you look at devout followers of Christianity usually you get unintelligent people who cannot think for themselves nor believe in themselves. I personally think religion and especially Christianity is one of the worst things to ever happen to mankind. Since the conservative ideological base is generally populated by frothing at the mouth Christians, you can see why most people despise both.


And this is why the liberal movement in America most change its thinking. You say your free thinking people, I say you’re the most hateful people in the world. You people believe in nothing, you attacked bush and the repukes for the wars in the middle east, yet your democraps have escalated and spent more on it. You fools think taking from the rich and giving to the poor is going to teach them something, when all it teaches them to do is become lazy.

Yes there are some Right wingers and Christians who are hateful but they are not the majority. I know more Christians who are colleague educated, and are free thinkers. There was a study and I will try to find it for you that said Conservatives are more likely to reach an agreement or negotiate with people they don’t agree with then Liberals.

Take the recent election for Kennedys seat example strong liberal state, A conservative with Conservative ideas won that state fairly... What’s that say to you?



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 09:31 AM
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I think that most "hate" groups, either far left or far right, basically are still living in the "tribal" mode. By this I mean that they:

1. Dislike anyone outside of their "group" (tribe).
2. They must establish themselves as either leaders with a tribe to follow them or as members of a tribe who blindly follow the leader right or wrong. They give up freedom for security either way.
3. They think of themselves as protectors of their way of life or cause. Anyone not agreeing with them is wrong or an "outsider".
4. Establish tight lines of authority within the group. The "good old boy" network.
5. Believe that they must either "arm" or "disarm" their tribe in fear of other tribes or dissent within their tribe.

And so on. Can you see this? Does it fit?

[edit on 1/21/2010 by alttracks]



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 10:00 AM
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Try to think of it this way - Political groups "campaign" for your vote. They want you in their "camp". The Liberal "camp" is at the west, the conservative "camp" is in the east, the progressive "camp" is in the north, the libertarian "camp" in the south. They all want you in their prospective "tribes" or "camps".
Die hard "camps" will even describe free-thinkers or "independents" as fence sitters or those unable to make up their mind. They will do their best to discredit them. This is a defensive mode against anyone not committed to a "camp".



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 10:13 AM
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We don't. Someone has told you that, and you have believed them.

By definition the word "liberal" should not be applied to anyone narrow minded or bigoted enough to hate anyone for their political and religious beliefs.

from mr webster:

synonyms for liberal, generous, bountiful, munificent mean giving or given freely and unstintingly. liberal suggests openhandedness in the giver and largeness in the thing or amount given . generous stresses warmhearted readiness to give more than size or importance of the gift . bountiful suggests lavish, unremitting giving or providing . munificent suggests a scale of giving appropriate to lords or princes .


[edit on 21-1-2010 by frayed1]



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 10:34 AM
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Humanism by the Leftists accounts for their anti-Christian attitudes. Leftists consider anyone against them or their bad ideas to be their enemies.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 10:46 AM
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I do not agree or disagree with you. How do you come by your statement? Where is your "who, why, what, where, when" information that led you to that conclusion? Otherwise, you are just a member of one group "shouting" against another.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by BigDaveJr
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Humanism by the Leftists accounts for their anti-Christian attitudes. Leftists consider anyone against them or their bad ideas to be their enemies.


Where's your source......and I did not see "leftist" in the list of synonyms Webster offered.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 12:18 PM
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I am considered "liberal" by my friends who are mostly right of center. I can tell you why I think conservative or right wing philosophy is a destructive force in our society. In the US we have a myth of rugged individualism, which completely ignores several key components of reality, and of humanity. First it ignores the fact that we all, as a species, depend upon each other. Our american way of life has completely destroyed family unity, to where most families today are satellite families, living often far away and isolated from their relatives in their pursuit of income and profit. Humans as a species are harmed by this, in that a support base such as family and long time friends are essential and necessary for the healthy human psyche, not counting those monks or hermits who go off alone to develope their singular consciousness in mountain retreats etc. Sadly, expansion and development of consciousness is not recognized in our country, and our system actually rules this out for most people, as our capitalist system, such as it is, focuses all on profit, and THIS is how we are taught to measure success. In our land, a mans worth is no longer measured by how compassionate, wise, or loving he is, but rather by what kind of car he drives, or how big his house is.

The problem with this system is that things that would be incredibly beneficial to society, but have no profit, such as say alternative or herbal medicine, go completely unresearched, and even prohibited, due to the fact that its not a good business model, and that it competes with our existing western medicine for profit. All this regardless of the fact that investing in it could have a profound benefit to our people as a society.

Most of the right seems to be focused completely upon how profitable something can be to them individually, and see no more than how much of THIER individual tax dollars would have to go towards free healthcare or education for others, and so they ignore the great benefit these things would have to society as a whole, and to the stability of their own neighborhoods, friend, and descendents. They cant see beyond their own immediate pocket books, it seems.

Further, our mainstream current mindset almost completely refuses to recognize the impact of chance and circuimstance upon any individuals situation. Much as the old indian caste system stated that if a person was born poor it is due to bad karma from a past life, our society today seems to think that if a person is in dire straights now it is most likely due to bad choices and decisions they made earlier on in their life, and thereby their just desserts. As such much of our society sees no need to help those around them, even though it is through the labors of our working class and the benefits of our ancestors actions that they (the successful ones) have been given the opportunity to profit as they have, they see it all as the culmination of their own greatness as an individual, and see no need to give back to the country and community that has allowed them this great environment in which their prosperity was made possible.

As to the christian right, my feelings to those and indeed to most fundamentalist monothiestic religions is similar to the above. Human consciousness has unlimited room for growth, however most mainstream fundamentalist groups completely ignore this realm, many of them even going so far as to paint such things as meditation, taiji quan, and yoga (all exercises to develop and expand consciousness) as evil and from the devil. Sadly it is only through such types of things that we can develop maturity and wisdom, again, things which are no longer valued in our society. You can see it quite easily in our congress, our ruling body, most of which are ambitious and greedy old men catering to corporate interests in order to get kickbacks and lobbying dollars, and rarely motivated by wisdom, foresight, or compassion. These are truly the representatives of a sick society.

Interestingly enough, all those monotheistic mainstream religions usually have esoteric mystical sects as well....the kabbalah for the jews, the sufis for islam, and the gnostics for christianity, which all focus on personal development and a personal relationship with god...and while the mainstream versions all seem to clash with each other, the mystical groups all seem in general agreement with each other, as well as with other esoteric or mystical groups such as shamanism, zen, etc. And rarely have any of these mystical groups been able to be harnessed for aggression such as religious or philosophical wars. Indeed, during vietnam, the buddhists protested the insanity of civil war by performing self sacrifice, without ANY intent to harm another. Not that i think self immolation is such a great idea....just pointing out a difference is all.

Now, in my writing I may seem to be attacking "rightists" and "conservatives", however that does not mean I think the right has any monopoly on insanity and immaturity. The so called "leftists" also have their share if immature bleeding hearts, often moved to acting out over whatever impulse seems to grab them for the day, without much forethought as well. At any rate, I was using these terms to illustrate points, but i absolutely agree with others here, that terms like right, left, liberal, conservative, are used by TPTB to keep people divided and impotent while those truly in power use the confusion to consolidate their money and power.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 12:32 PM
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I would also like to add, here, that TPTB use tricky tactics like keeping us confused with these divisive issues to keep us from seeing what is truly going on, and to keep people from having any real choice in governance. They offer us a red herring, such as healthcare reform, then they put all their power towards convincing people that its too expensive, and that its not in their best interest, and then they let congress vote. However, they sell us a war, dont allow anyone to vote on it, and just continue to tell us how necessary it is for us. Rarely, if ever, do you see a comparison between what it would cost for free healthcare and education for all, and what the war is costing us, or what the bailout has cost us. Each is sold individually, based upon whether they want us to have it or not.

Nowhere, not once, has our representative body ever said, "hey, we can either spend this 5 trillion dollars bailing out the banks and invading other countries for control of oil.....or all the future generations of americans can have free healthcare and education". Im sure we can see what most americans would have voted for.

We constantly see the media, which is dominated by right wing personalities, harping about "liberal media" and our "liberal education". The fact though is that our media is so far right that most americans think the center is actually the left. Obama is a fascist and a corporate stooge, and most people think that this is socialism, despite the fact that his cabinet is predominantly right wing incumbents from past presidents. Our media tells the people, and they believe. About as liberal as our education gets in school is "we killed a lot of indians...and oh, yeah, maybe columbus wasnt such a swell guy". On TV you see Rush, Hannity, etc, but there really are few, if any intelligent liberals on TV....usually they do find the dumbest most ridiculous person they can find, so they can have fun chopping his words up.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 12:38 PM
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I think my biggest problem with many of the "Christian Right" is that many form orderly lines behind the likes of Fallwell, Pat Robertson and then as soon as one of these idiots says something controversial, the orderly line suddenly finds a way to distance itself from them - only to fall back in line once the trouble has passed. They follow. It's rare to find one thinking for themselves. That's why FAUX news is so popular. There's plently of people spouting hatred for them to get behind. No point in looking for the truth when FAUX news will package theirs for you. The weird thing is that they actually start to believe their own lies.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 12:49 PM
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Jesus was a liberal. The bible tells a political story with Rome being the oppressor. He still loves you conservatives but he wishes you would stop being so mean. Funny how many of the worlds oppressors are Christians when Christ opposed the very things they do.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 01:02 PM
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Thats because so many view their religion as what they owe god, rather than the path to liberation that its supposed to be. Without contemplation or meditation they fail to develop the insight to be able to judge for themselves, or to recognize a fool for a fool. In the hands of such as these, spirituality is not a tool for personal growth and development, the way it is meant to be. Rather its a tool to instill dogma and devotion in the people so they support and send money like good sheep.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 01:48 PM
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This is a great post,I haven't had a good laugh all day,Thanks!



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