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Is there anything more "evil" than Satanism?

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posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 10:23 PM
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In reference to religion, I am not sure if there are any other "evil" practices.

Voodoo comes to mind, but it seems evil to a lesser degree.




posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by miriam0566

Originally posted by FeralMonkeyMagic

Originally posted by miriam0566

Originally posted by silent thunder
Just out of curiosity, is there a more evil "-ism" than Satanism?


christian clergy

not only do they know that what they do is against god's will, but they do it in god's name.

just like i could pretend to be a physicist... but though i SAY i'm a physicist, doesn't mean i know anything about the fundamentals or any of the basic practices... just because i wear a fancy white lab coat - doesn't mean i know any more about physics than the next man/woman..


not what i meant at all.

when talking about "evil", obviously god's moral standard is involved.

with satanist, they are straight forward. they are clear about who they worship and why. christian clergy however are different. they know what the scriptures says and yet they continue to teach their own doctrine. they are more concerned with filling their pews with collection bearing patrons than they are with "worshipping god in spirit and in truth".

they lie and mislead the flock and do it in the name of god. they paint god to be a monster by their actions. they claim god brings calamity on man when the blame lies with chance. they make people feel discouraged when they arent "blessed" and they rape the people of money since apparently god wouldnt help them unless they pay.

because of them, a god of "love" is induced to torture people until they convert, otherwise they "burn in hell". a doctrine not supported by the bible.

so which is more evil from god's viewpoint? the rebel, or the conniving apostate?


You misunderstood the analogy.

Ill try and explain myself a bit better - i hope you don't feel like im undermining your intelligence on any level, as maybe my analogy was not worded well.

People who pretend to be physicist but say they are and pretend to do "experiments" are liars and not actual physicists. Would you listen to a physicist who obviously speaks counter to what all trained physicists speak? No - you would denounce them and their "knowledge"... or their guidance on any matter.

Do you see what i am getting at?

Real Christians avoid these practices and are wise to the pew filling ideals of the Catholic Church.

A priest talking about the teachings of the church instead of the teachings of Christ should come into question in a massive sense. What are his goals and his motives? to put coins on the coffers? or to literally help people learn about the teachings of a Man who was nothing but benevolent.

Christianity requires no "joining fee" or membership fee to maintain beliefs. Catholic Chruch has a lot to answer for - there are many monsters that portray themselves as pious when in actual fact they act more akin to monsters than followes of the anointed one.

Who says the rebels aren't working in the church? Alienating peoples beliefs? it's common military tactic. Can't beat them? join them - then turn their beliefs inside out and make them tear themselves apart - then divide them, make sects of their religion and engrain fanatical belief into each one that they are better than the other.

Christianity is simple - It has been made more complicated and has had many non-christian actions being asserted under the name of Christianity. Seems like destructive behaviour towards good teachings.

I think we are both making the same point - but i worded mine slightly differenttly.

[edit on 20-1-2010 by FeralMonkeyMagic]



posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by Totalstranger
reply to post by metalholic
 


wookiep can't even be bothered to check the spelling in his sig. so there's no way anyone is going to be able to set him straight as to the facts of actual satanism. I guess he's off to listen to Stryper.....


Wow, double whammy for you sir!! Stryper?? That's a LOW_BLOW!!
I'll stick with...oh I dunno, Floyd.
Great insult tho!! You may be a self-proclaimed Satanist, but I can recognize a good insult when I see one!


Note: signature changed, thanks for your enlightment, enlightened one!



posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 11:07 PM
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If there is any contention that the satanic bible is not allowed to be discussed when satanism is, then whoever makes that claim, is absurd.

"Hey you christians are mad!!"
"Read the bible!!"
"NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BIBLE, STAY ON TOPIC!!!!11"

*shoots self in face with homemade dry ice bomb*


I suspect we are going to disagree on this so I'll cut it short.


It's more like:

"Hey you christians are mad!!"

"You misunderstand Christians, if you haven't read the BIBLE! However, let me state that the bible is a FAIRY TALE"

"troll!"

However in this case:

"What is more evil than Satan??"

"Satan isn't evil, he's misunderstood! Let me note however, that I don't believe he even exsists!"

"troll!"

"I'm not a troll!! I just like to play devils advocate, and happen to be open-minded"

"Open minded to something you don't believe exsists. Yah, troll!"



[edit on 20-1-2010 by Wookiep]



posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 11:08 PM
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In my view Satanism is silly...it is an overt "rejection" of god...but that is illogical because to focus on a rejection of a thing, suggests the existance of that thing. It is a self-centered, pleasure driven ideology...built on the same kind of mythos as christianity....actually built on the mythos of christianity because it has as it's center rejection of that mind set.it is another past-time...not spiritual..just angry and power driven.

Religion is a problem, not a solution...most was are fought over "my invisible guy is better than your invisible guy" we're doing that now with muslims and the western world.

Evil to me is a cold blooded decision to kill/injure/or maim the defensless...human or animal. Evil has no conscience...it sees no consequences for its' actions..it has nothing to do with devils or angels. Evil is a choice.

Just my opinion.



posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
To me Religion as a whole is evil. The only reason people fear Satanism is because they believe Satan is real. Satan is the best friend of the Christian church. He's kept it business for so many years. Fear is the root religion. If religion didn't preach about the evils of modern society. Then what's there to worship a God for?


Not even close to being remotely true.
Religion, any religion is an inamimate object, so to speak, and has no cognitave abilities whatsoever. It is people making their own choices to do either good or evil, plain and simple. Blaming any religion for a person's choices is absolving a person of any choice and blaming religion to account for the individual choice of doing evil or good. You get the meaning.... So what your saying is that religion gives people a creative zone for blame to do anything their heart wishes without any responsibility. This is great! I think I'll go unto the world and do good when I want and evil when I want and I can just blame religion, because religion allows us to do anything! hurray, no wonder the world is messed up right? It isn't people's faults at all! No individual responsibility! I don't think that the creator on judgement day is going to buy into that, do you? does anyone here? Having said this, with all the evil in the world and it is getting more corrupt and worse every day, to think there won't be a day of accounting is pure folly. All about personal choice and freedom of will. We all really know this deep down


The OP has a good enough question, and I think there are probably many darker and uglier evils that the human mind would find hard to understand or even comprehend.. to be able to comprehend those things would probably kill a person, they wouldn't be able to survive... For me it is absolutely hideous even to entertain doing any kind of black magic or sorcery and I wouldn't ever even consider it. I think at a point somewhere a satanist would come to realize how evil his actions were and either accept it or run from it and try to redeem themself somehow.. It has happened before, both ways.
I don't know if anything I just said makes any sense because I worked too hard today and now I'm rambling, but I had fun sharing my thoughts!

Have a happy day free of evil, (hopefully)


Have a great day!



posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 11:24 PM
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To me, this is a tautology:

Asking the question "is anything more evil than the greatest evil?" to which the answer is obviously "No."

As for playing with names - Satan is Lucifer and Lucifer is Satan, just as God has many different names.



posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 11:31 PM
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Originally posted by metalholic
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you claim this but on this site you work merely to expose people's ignorance and no factual statements if you cared more about being a simpleton you wouldnt put so much thought or time into proving someone wrong rather showing them there ignorance because you would enjoy the splender of it would you not? therefore you contradict yourself!


It is within me to do these things. Yes, I choose to do as you say. However, I could barely function if I did not anyway! I feel it is the right thing to do. If the burden would be taken from me, I would gladly accept it and be comfortable.

But it is not time for me to be too awfully comfortable.

Just to remind you, metalholic... you seem to have an awful lot of stock in fighting God off. Someone like me might view that kind of mentality as quite simple.

I mean... who says, "I don't believe in air, but I'll swing at it!"



posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 11:36 PM
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Whilst researching the Madeleine McCann issue (current ATS thread) I came across information involving organised paedophilia --- Jersey, Ireland, UK, Asia, US, etc.

One example only being the Jersey children's home case

Police knew children were being sexually abused, forced to participate in child-porn and snuff movies

High ranking politicians from all over the globe have been connected

Freemasonry figures large in virtually all the information

High and low ranking police involved

Local councillors involved

Clergy involved

Business-people involved

Journalists involved

etc.


Children are being raped, tortured and murdered and disposed of right now, this minute

No one hears their prayers

No hero comes to save them

No one acknowledges even that they're missing

These children are from broken homes

They're unwanted and 'given away so they'll have a better chance' by their parents

Some of them are deemed 'incorrigible' and sent to children's homes for 'rehabilitaton'

'Very important people' lust for sex with helpless children

They form groups, 'clubs'

Whistleblowers are silenced or eliminated, often permanently

The politician talking about family values on tv

The priest or rabbi or vicar or whatever who looks so grand in his robes


Many of them live for those moments when they can strip down to their revolting flabbiness and rape a tiny child

Often their equally revolting buddies film it, distribute it


These films are viewed in fine homes in the most expensive and picturesque locations on the planet

Those who watch them and participate in them, are often 'highly respected' persons whose faces you'd recognise on tv

They sit in their plush leather couches

They sip the finest wines

No one dares touch them



'More evil than Satanism' ?


Who cares about degree of evilness


While we sit here debating, it's happening


Evil and Satanism sound very inadequate in comparison



posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 11:40 PM
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Originally posted by silent thunder


3) My question then becomes, are there any groups or philosophies that seek NEITHER devotion NOR personal power, but embrace evil for evil's sake?
[edit on 1/20/10 by silent thunder]


If you will check my very first post in this thread, you will find that I gave you the answer.

To save you time, I will say it again.

Only Satan can accomplish that kind of evil. Satan has nothing more to gain neither anything more to lose. Satan's whole purpose is simply to bring everyone else down with him -- into eternal separation from God.

There is no power to be gained... there is no place or position to be gained. Satan knows his detiny.

Satan IS the evil which you seek.



posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 11:43 PM
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But this IS Satanism, and the deepest evil.

Satanism glories in suffering, degradation, war and every other horrible thing.

Your post is sickening and absolutely truthful.

That is why we should try and make our personal relationship with "The Good". And it does not matter what you call it.

As for men of power (and I am not being sexist here, but it is usually men), do not trust any of them until you know for sure they are trustworthy.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 03:33 AM
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Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
This could quite possibly be the seventh sign of the Apocalypse, but...

I actually agree with you!


i saw a pig fly by my apartment last night, so i figured the time was right.


Originally posted by Angus123
Atheism isn't defined by a belief. It's defined by a lack of belief.
It doesn't take any faith at all to not believe something.


not true. atheism is specifically the belief that there is no god. since god cant be proven not exist, a certain amount of faith is required.

understand please that faith is not always religious. one can have faith that hailey's comet will return based on facts.

you can have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow because it has every day before.

faith can mean you are aware that something being there or that is going to happen even if you dont see it there then and now.


Originally posted by polychronopolis
There is no such thing as "good" or "evil".

These concepts are entirely subjective, depending upon one's point of view.


thats true, but its obvious from the title of the OP that the point of view is "god's"



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 12:19 PM
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not fighting nothing off just trying to point out things that "closed" minded people would never think about as there mind is a one way track because there spirit is on a one way track to free the spirit is to free the mind!



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 12:23 PM
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claiming that satan is the evil in which he seeks is a cop out for people who need to take responsibility for there own actions if a christian admits to a sin to the father of the church will the person take responsibility for it or will they somehow cop out to satan being the cause of it or will the father say they are forgiven and then mention satan being the cause at the sametime see satan is a cop out something that isnt even real gets to take the blame because something else dont exists says that hes the evil when in fact humans have animal insitincts just like any other creature wandering the earth and from time to time follow there insitncts so the true evil then would be MOTHER NATURE!



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 09:36 PM
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Is there anything more "evil" than Satanism? I'd have to say it is a toss up between christianity, islam or scientology but I'm not quite sure. Is there anything this prurient in the satanic bible, the quran or scientology's literature?



posted on Jan, 25 2010 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by silent thunder
Is there anything more "evil" than Satanism?



Yes...
Stupidity.



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by metalholic
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sounds like you need to read anton lavey's satanic bible because you dont know what your talking about! until you read it front to back you should keep your ignorance to yourself i myself own it but i dont practice or believe in it but at the same time i'm not ignorant to it so yeah! just like i'm not ignorant to all the destruction and death christianity has brought on the world either and how many cultures of people they destroyed because they were IGNORANT to the world!

Anton Lavey was an Athiest. His version of Satanism is a symbolic athiesm in which the practitioners venerate (not really worship) Satan as a symbol of individualism and self empowerment. This is not to be confused with Theistic Satanism, which OP is talking about. Lavey was an arrogant, heartless, b****** and was evil enough in his infantile philosophy that no one matters besides the self. There are definately sticky parts of the Bible, but at the end of the day it is preaching "LOVE THY NEIGHBOR" which is something that Lavey thought beneath him. To answer OP's question, no, there is nothing worse than a Theistic Satanist. A luciferian is mislead 9/10 times (atleast in the begining), but Theistic Satanist groups do not BS their members, they know what they've signed up for and that is to be the anti-thesis to God. There may be equally evil groups out there, but I don't think you can get worse than a total disregard/hatred for others and caring only to aquire power over others.



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 10:20 PM
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The satanism you're thinking of only occurs if you believe in the Christian faith in the first place. The Church Of Satan doesn't worship the Christian devil, they only believe that many of the sins are inherently natural, and not to be repressed.

Please, don't think they're the same, for they are not.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 07:14 AM
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Whats more evil than Satanism?
How about the christian god himself? He demands that we believe everything that he tells us, and that we do everything that he says without questioning:Baph-o-met wouldn't hurt a fly. “Destroy a tribe including the women, children and animals down to last one? (Joshua 6:21). No problem. Murder 5 kingdoms of people and keep 32,000 virgins girls “for yourselves?” (Numbers 31:7-35) Why of course. Uh…wait a minute, this doesn’t seem very moral or very nice.” “SILENCE FOOL. HOW DARE YOU QUESTION ME. I AM GOD, ALL-KNOWING, INFALLIBLE, UNQUESTIONABLE, UN-UNDERSTANDABLE AND YOU MUST OBEY ME WITHOUT HESITATION. ACCEPT WHAT I SAY ON FAITH. BURN THOSE WHO DARE QUESTION MY WORD. DESTROY THEIR BOOKS. SHUT DOWN THEIR SCHOOLS. TELL THEM THAT DISOBEDIENCE MEANS THAT THEY WILL BURN FOREVER AND EVER, IN UNIMAGINABLE AGONY FOR ALL ETERNITY, AND REMEMBER THAT YOU WILL SUFFER THE SAME FATE UNLESS YOU GO OUT AND TELL THEM THIS. DON’T YOU DARE APPLY THE PART OF THE BIBLE WHERE IT SAYS “BY THEIR FRUITS SHALL YOU KNOW THEM” TO MY FRUITS AND OH, YEAH, TELL YOUR CHILDREN HOW MUCH I REALLY LOVE YOU ALL.” “Yes Sir, God Sir, whatever you say. See, here I am burning their books, pulling out their fingernails, torturing them for questioning Church dogma, banning the use of anesthetic in child-bearing (since the pain is their just punishment for the single sin of their long-dead ancestors, Adam and Eve), selling them into slavery, raping their wives, dashing their children against rocks…what did that child do to deserve this? Help! I thought an improper thought! Help me to blind my mind God, help me to not see what my reason tells me. Let me repress thoughts of natural sexual desire, doubts about you and your orders, feelings of tolerance or putting myself in my neighbor’s shoes. Let me follow no morality but that which you say is moral.” Now we ask you, who represents the greater evil? Thank GOD im a Luciferian!

edit on 9/15/2011 by NZkraw because: (no reason given)




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