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UK FBI = SOCA - "Police State in the UK"

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posted on May, 26 2004 @ 03:19 PM
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The brand spanking new UK FBI equivilent police agency, SOCA (Serious Organised Crime Agency) is being setup. Does anyone know when exactly it's coming into force and where it's HQ is going to be?

We already have GCHQ (NSA), MI6 (CIA), MI5 (FBI-ish), NCIS, NCS, SO13, C013 etc, etc and now this.........

news.bbc.co.uk...

FBI-style unit 'will be ruthless'

Mr Blair said the police had to be as organised as the criminals
An elite new agency set up to tackle organised crime must be "ruthless", the prime minister has said.
Tony Blair hinted the standard of proof in organised crime cases may need to be lowered so that it is easier for police to secure convictions.

Mr Blair was speaking at the launch of the Serious Organised Crime Agency (SOCA) which will combat crimes like people smuggling and drug trafficking.

The crime-fighting force has been dubbed Britain's FBI.

The agency is a merger of the National Crime Squad, the National Criminal Intelligence Service and the investigative branches of Customs and Excise and the Home Office Immigration Service.

To require everything beyond reasonable doubt in these cases is very difficult

Tony Blair

It will not deal with terrorism or murder cases.

Visiting the National Hi-Tech Crime Unit in London's Docklands on Monday, the prime minister said: "We're not going to beat organised crime if we simply work in the way we worked 15 or 20 years ago."

"We've got to be hard, efficient and, if necessary, ruthless."

He added that it was his "impression" that sometimes "the system is struggling against a presumption that you treat these crimes like every other type of crime and that you build up cases beyond reasonable doubt".

"I think we have got to look at this."

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The prime minister also appeared to suggest that criminals may be required to explain how they had generated their wealth.

The new agency, which marks the biggest shake-up of policing structure since 1964 when the 43 force areas were drawn up, is not expected to be operational until 2006.

It will employ as many as 5,000 agents to fight the big business end of organised crime, which individual forces find difficult to tackle on their own.

Suspect funds

The Metropolitan Police welcomed the new agency.

Assistant Commissioner Tarique Ghaffur said: "London's communities are blighted by organised criminal networks, which have a national and international dimension.

"We will work with the agency to ensure there is a faster and more flexible approach to dealing with this menace".


Organised criminals move very quickly

Professor Gloria Laycock
Jill Dando Crime Institute

Professor Gloria Laycock, of the Jill Dando Crime Institute, said that working as a single body will alleviate "rivalries between the various different agencies fighting Britain's crime".

"Criminals take opportunities as they arise," she told BBC News.

"Organised criminals move very quickly. We need to get much quicker in our reactions."

However there are concerns comparisons between the new agency and the American FBI could go too far.

Skills warning

Jan Berry, the national chairman of the Police Federation of England and Wales which represents rank and file officers, said: "Elitism has no place in British policing.

"I am worried that we will see a skills loss across the 43 police forces in England and Wales, with the cream of the crop being taken to fill places in this new agency."


MERGING AGENCIES
NCIS: 1,200 staff, 93m budget
NCS: 1,750 staff, 130m budget
Customs and Excise: 1,850 staff, 1bn budget
Home Office Immigration Service: 60 staff

And the Association of Chief Police Officers wants the government to ensure the agency avoids US-style arguments between "feds" and local police.

The agency will have the power to make its own arrests, but will also provide intelligence to a local force and leave the prosecution to them.

It is hoped a single national body will find it easier to deal with gangs who might operate in Europe as well as the UK, for example people smugglers.

These gangs are often involved in crimes such as trafficking sex slaves or child pornography.

The new agency is likely to have civilian investigators such as accountants, financial experts and computer experts to unravel paper trails and complex internet fraud.

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www.homeoffice.gov.uk...

www.ncis.gov.uk...

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[Edited on 26-5-2004 by The Hunter]

[Edited on 26-5-2004 by The Hunter]



cma

posted on May, 26 2004 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by The Hunter

FBI-style unit 'will be ruthless'

Mr Blair said the police had to be as organised as the criminals
An elite new agency set up to tackle organised crime must be "ruthless", the prime minister has said.
[Edited on 26-5-2004 by The Hunter]


Yuck, Blair style FBI, atleast it won't be as bad as the US, but still. What if people fall into that trap. If you are ruthless to ruthless people, you are creating an oxymoron, like an eye for an eye will leave the world blind.



posted on May, 26 2004 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by cma

Originally posted by The Hunter

FBI-style unit 'will be ruthless'

Mr Blair said the police had to be as organised as the criminals
An elite new agency set up to tackle organised crime must be "ruthless", the prime minister has said.
[Edited on 26-5-2004 by The Hunter]




Yuck, Blair style FBI, atleast it won't be as bad as the US, but still. What if people fall into that trap. If you are ruthless to ruthless people, you are creating an oxymoron, like an eye for an eye will leave the world blind.




Won't be as bad as the US? Ha! This is a country where thought crime is a reality, where we no longer have free speech. A democracy? I do not know anyone in this country that isn't blinded by the lies that thinks that we have a democracy. The only democracy we have is a democratic dictatorship! We are a country that has 1 CCTV camera for every 2 citizens. It is a country with the most CCTV cameras in the world and look at the size of us. We are a country that in 3 years will have biometric ID's cards enforced upon us. Not as bad as the US? I could go on for pages.









[Edited on 26-5-2004 by The Hunter]

[Edited on 27-5-2004 by The Hunter]

[Edited on 27-5-2004 by The Hunter]



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