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Police: Multiple fatals in central Va. shooting

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posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 08:38 PM
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It is interesting that many of these shooters are related to VA Tech. When will we hear the suspects reasoning or meaning behind his shootings?

For that matter, when do we hear about why the Fort Hood shooter did what he did? I can't find anything about that either on the internet.

Thanks.

(also i hate to throw fuel on the fire but here in australia we only had 1 mass shooting, and then we banned guns and never had another mass shooting since and no ones needed guns either)




posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 09:08 PM
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Originally posted by Nventual
(also i hate to throw fuel on the fire but here in australia we only had 1 mass shooting, and then we banned guns and never had another mass shooting since and no ones needed guns either)



Here in America it's an extremely strong tradition to bear firearms, stemming originally from the founding fathers but to this very day it is still a strong tradition.

As the founding fathers of this country themselves suggested to us, it is healthy for the population of any country to remain armed to protect itself from all threats foreign and domestic.


Switzerland is another country that has such a tradition, and the Swiss have never been successfully invaded to my knowledge. Neither has the US. It would be hell to try to occupy us, and also hell to try to institute martial law for the same reason. Same with Switzerland. I believe strongly in gun rights and so do millions of other Americans. We have a National Rifle Association whose slogan is "from my cold dead hands." As Americans we basically associate loss of 2nd amendment rights with failed government or socialism/fascism.


Btw I know what event you're talking about and there are a lot of conspiracy theories revolving around that event as well, no? I've seen some of it myself and from what I have read there are a lot of unaddressed issues from witness accounts and etc.

I was watching a video of a Swiss gun enthusiast the other day and he said he once saw a woman crying at a Holocaust museum and it really made him grateful for his right to bear arms. He said as long as he had firearms, no one would ever be able to remove him and his family from their home forcibly and put them into a death camp or labor camp. He basically alluded that he would rather be taken defending his home. And that's a sentiment many people share. The government has a nasty, nasty habit of abusing power and trying to take away all of our rights and push us around like a herd of cattle, but obviously we as a people need to stand up and put our foot down at some point. And for most Americans taking away our guns is exactly that point at which we will put our foot down, because after that, we won't have a fighting chance anymore anyway.

[edit on 20-1-2010 by bsbray11]



posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by Walkswithfish
DO NOT drink the water in Virgina.


I don't!
The only water I drink is bottled water.

But they still put tap water in drinks at restaurants and things.. Hard to avoid it 100% of the time so I guess it's all about moderation.



They need to do a better job of controlling these test subjects and assassins


I'm telling you, it's Virginia Tech. People have written books about this. One author claimed she herself was a victim of "MK Ultra" programs there and said VA Tech is only good for two things: engineering, and mind control. There is an advanced military research projects center (ARPA) in Blacksburg, where VA Tech is, as well. It may or may not be on the actual campus but there have been so many nutty shooters from there that people are already connecting the dots.


Just think, you hear about programs like MK Ultra all the time, and you know it must physically exist somewhere, but you never hear where. Well VA Tech appears to be just such a place where MK Ultra programs are ran.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 06:31 AM
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Sure, the Martin Bryant massacre has a lot of interesting questions that probably will never be answered and I personally don't believe the official story completely - I do however know that we are fortunate to not have guns available to every Tom, Dick and Harry and because of this we don't have people being shot for trespassing, or people being shot by people who take the law into their own hands and are usually wrong, or by people shooting up malls or public areas, or shooting their families.

Do tragedies still happen? Of course.. people drown their children in cars in lakes, people chop up people, etc,these things will always happen no matter what is banned.
What I'm saying is that because guns aren't available it has prevented snap-decisions where people pull out a gun and kill everyone around them. When someone is mentally ill enough to want to do something like that the only outlets are usually healthy ones such as counseling or whatever.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 03:54 PM
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My view is about exactly opposite, that a majority of people (ideally everyone) should carry at least a pistol for personal safety or at least have one in their home for home protection.

Some thing I've seen in recent times to justify increasing firearms to the population...

The state of Arizona allows you to wield assault rifles in public places. Obama had a public convention there, where people gathered wielding these assault rifles. There was not a single incident between the various protesters and security at that event. Though you hear and see videos of all kinds of police harassment from other conventions at other states (or at least I have, and the brutal and instigating behavior of the police always pisses me off), there was no police harassment or confrontations at all between civilians and security at this event. Why? Because civilians were standing around in broad daylight with assault rifles. A pig isn't going to mess with civilians when there is a bunch of them standing around with equal firepower, if not more. And the people there were also mature enough and responsible enough to behave themselves and still make a very clear point: being able to wield these things does not mean violence is going to ensue; instead, guns are a deterrent.

An area in the state of Georgia passed a law requiring every single home to have a functioning hand gun and ammunition for self-defense. In that area, and there is a Georgian police officer somewhere around here who can verify this, breaking and enterings and other violent home disputes dropped to virtually 0 after that law was passed. Why? Because every would-be bandit knew for a fact that any house he was about to break into in that area, was packing.

Here in Virginia about 10 minutes from my house, there was an attempted breaking and entering into a man's house that I personally know. I can't remember what the guy was armed with, but the homeowner heard him trying to bust in and was waiting for him inside with a shot gun. The homeowner said he called out and told the guy if he came in, he was going to be shot. The guy burst in anyway and the homeowner shot him dead at point blank range with his shot gun. No charges were ever filed as a result of this incident. Think of how many times homes are broken into where families are totally defenseless, and what kinds of tragedies result from that. At least in cases like this, even though there is a fatality, it's quick and clean and it's the aggressor that is killed in self-defense.


And again, probably the most valuable reason for arming as many people as possible, martial law and other government mass round-ups become virtually impossible to execute. As long as populations can defend themselves even from the government, the government will be at least partially subservient to the people, and not the other way around, the people being subservient to the government. And as long as the population is extremely armed, foreign armies invading our country will be facing total hell in both urban and rural areas where they advance. Just think if every Jew the Nazis came to take was armed with just an assault rifle. The Nazis might have barely even been able to take the war outside of their own country. And they didn't try to take the Swiss, because the Swiss population is also extremely well-armed.

When you give up firearms, or when you allow their numbers to dwindle, that's when you have criminals and lone nuts come in and shoot up scores of defenseless people. People who don't follow laws and murder people -- are NOT going to respect gun laws, EVER. So the issue is a law-abiding citizen vs. a criminal who can ALWAYS have a gun. The more law-abiding citizens are unarmed, the more that are going to be shot down or at the mercy of the criminal until law enforcement shows up.


I understand societies that are not used to having a lot of guns around can be nervous around them or nervous re-introducing a lot of them into their population. I grew up in Virginia which still has conservative gun laws. Most people around here have some kind of firearm and it's not uncommon to see them, even people carrying handguns around on their belts in public; I grew up around them and fired them with my grandpa when I was growing up. The only time I would ever be afraid of a gun, is when I don't have one, and an aggressor does. That is a situation you never want to find yourself in, and if you do, and you survive, you know you would at least want to be able to legally wield a weapon back in such a situation just to defend yourself. Police responses aren't immediate, especially when no one else is aware of what's happening but you and the aggressor.

The bottom line is just because you give a gun to someone, it isn't going to turn them into a violent person, especially when they know many others around them are also carrying firearms. The people that are going to be violent towards others, and break laws to injury or murder others, are not going to respect gun laws and they're going to have a gun either way. So controlling the guns criminals have is virtually impossible. Guns are only being taken away from law-abiding citizens, who will no longer be able to defend themselves.

[edit on 21-1-2010 by bsbray11]



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by Magnum007

So for all those who need something to fear, then you now can fear your fellow "patriotic" American. For those who fear people who wear burkas and Islamic clothing, well you better not walk close to an American either, he might shoot you in the middle of the street...

Sheesh...

Magnum


I think we should send all the Americans who are terrified to the point of giving up their rights to Canada and the UK.

I personally am not afraid, either of my gun toting fellow Americans, or terrorists. I am going to die, someday, of something. When that day comes, I will know what it is, and I will worry about it then, in that moment.

Its not like Canadians or Brits dont kill their families also. They do. They just use plastic sporks to do so, and it takes a lot longer, because all firearms and metal cutlery have been removed to ensure their safety.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander

Originally posted by Magnum007

So for all those who need something to fear, then you now can fear your fellow "patriotic" American. For those who fear people who wear burkas and Islamic clothing, well you better not walk close to an American either, he might shoot you in the middle of the street...

Sheesh...

Magnum


I think we should send all the Americans who are terrified to the point of giving up their rights to Canada and the UK.
[...]
Its not like Canadians or Brits dont kill their families also. They do. They just use plastic sporks to do so, and it takes a lot longer, because all firearms and metal cutlery have been removed to ensure their safety.



You have absolutely no idea what happens up here in Canada do you? Before you insult us, do some research. And we are much more free than you are down there. At least I don't have to worry about choosing whether to go bankrupt or die when I am sick, or have to pay back my education for 50 years.

We can own as many firearms as we want in Canada... All you need is a 2 day course for rifles and shotguns (2 other days for pistols/revolvers, and 2 more days for crossbow), a background check, and within 2 months you get your license and can purchase the same weapons as you can on the spot. No waiting times at the store, nothing. Just the initial wait for the license.

So next time, before
all over Canada (no idea how it works in the UK), read about us instead of imagining us as your poor little neighbor above who needs freeing...

Magnum



[edit on 10/1/22 by Magnum007]



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 09:11 AM
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Coincidentally? There was also a shooting at the Texas Capitol recently. I live in Texas and I hardly heard a peep of it being covered on my local news media outlet. (Aside from a news sources located in Houston. I've been to Houston but I'm not from there.)

(I started a thread about the Texas capitol shooting incident in this forum. Anybody who wants to read about it can go here: www.abovetopsecret.com...)

Again like some people have mentioned I'm surprised hardly any of these shootings are being covered on CNN. (The Texas capitol-shooting however was covered on FOX News... But not my local FOX affiliate. I wonder why? :puz


Either it's because the news media has their hands full covering the Haiti tragedy? Or something else? No telling what as of yet.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 11:37 AM
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I only saw news about the Austin shooting here on ats and im from texas to. My guess is that the news is filled with haiti stuff. Or theres been so many shootings this month that they dont really care anymore.



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