Flight 93 Did Not Crash In Shanksville or Shot Down.

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posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 03:54 AM
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Originally posted by vipertech0596
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Really? Then you should have absolutely NO problem telling me exactly what it was shot down with and explain HOW it was shot down, but remained completely intact until it hit the ground.


you shoot the tail with 105 lead nosed bullets and the plane makes a crater exactly like the one in Pennsylvania, then tell this story in the article below like you were instructed.


F-16 pilot was ready to ram hijacked plane on 9/11
by Staff Writers
Washington (AFP) Sept 10, 2011



A F-16 pilot scrambled on 9/11 to prevent another attack on the US capital says she was prepared to ram her plane into a hijacked aircraft -- as there was no time to arm her plane with missiles.

Amid fears another hijacked airliner was barreling towards Washington, Heather Penney, then a lieutenant in the Washington DC National Guard, was one of two pilots ordered to take off without delay, she said in a recent interview.

The threat of an attack on US soil was seen as such a remote possibility at the time that the 121st fighter squadron at Andrews Air Force base outside Washington had no fully-armed fighter jets on standby.

With only 105 lead-nosed bullets on board, Penney and Colonel Marc Sasseville took to the skies, while two other F-16s waited to be armed with heat-seeking AIM-9 missiles, Penney told C-SPAN television this week.

The pilots had orders from the White House to take out any plane that refused to heed warnings and land, so the two pilots agreed on their plan.

"We wouldn't be shooting it down. We would be ramming the aircraft because we didn't have weapons on board to be able to shoot the airplane down," Penney said.

As they were putting on their flight gear, "Sass looked at me and said, 'I'll ram the cockpit.'

"And I had made the decision that I would take the tail off the aircraft," she said.

Penney said she "knew if I took off the tail of the aircraft, that it would essentially go straight down and so the pattern of debris would be minimized."

She said she thought about possibly ejecting just before impact.

"I would essentially be a kamikaze and ram my aircraft into the tail of the aircraft. I gave some thought to, you know, would I have time to eject?"

But the young pilot was concerned about failing to hit the target.

"I mean you only got one chance, you don't want to eject and have missed, right? "

When she took the plane down the runway, she said she believed it be the last take-off of her life.

In the end, Flight 93 never reached Washington, as passengers assaulted the hijackers in the cockpit and the plane crashed in a field in Pennsylvania.

But the F-16 pilots did not learn of the aircraft's fate until later that day, said Penney, now a major.

"The people on Flight 93 were heroes, but they were going to die no matter what," she said. "My concern was how do I minimize collateral damage on the ground."

Later that afternoon, Penney helped escort Air Force One, with former president George W. Bush on board, back to Andrews Air Force base.

A few years later, she flew missions in the Iraq war, hunting for SCUD missiles and backing up special operations forces.

Penney was among the first wave of female fighter pilots and she has since stopped flying full-time. The mother of two girls, she now works as a corporate executive, according to the Washington Post.

On the morning of September 11, 2001, Penney said she was absorbed with the urgent job at hand and had no time for emotions.

"It wasn't so much that I kept my emotions in check. It was that they didn't even exist," she said.

"There was significant adrelaine. It was really just, dear God please don't let me screw up."




posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 05:35 AM
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Uh, all that then why not just admit you shot the plane down? Why the coverup? Why the secrecy? Was it a conspiracy just for the sake of having a conspiracy?



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 07:53 AM
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Hooper likes this. He like theories that derail you from the truth.

The crater in Shanksville was measured by multiple people as being no more than 30 feet wide when a Boeing 757 is over 123 feet. Therefor the crater in Shanksville was not caused by a Boeing 757 on 911.

Shoot downs, rumsfeld's intentional slip. Laser beams, holograms are all distractions.

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posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by ATH911

Originally posted by hooper
Censored? I am reading it. How is it censored?

Ah, good ol hooper.

Never ceases to troll.


Yup. He claims that everyone who witnesses the crater in Shanskville only being 30 feet wide and a mere 10 feet deep is lying. The truth is the crater is too small to have been caused by a inverted Boeing 757 going over 500 mph at a 45+ degree angle.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 09:01 AM
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Yup. He claims that everyone who witnesses the crater in Shanskville only being 30 feet wide and a mere 10 feet deep is lying. The truth is the crater is too small to have been caused by a inverted Boeing 757 going over 500 mph at a 45+ degree angle.

No wait, I thought the crater was:

The impact of the crash left a crater estimated by authorities to be about 10 feet deep and 20 feet wide.


Lensbouer said that the crater was five to six feet deep and smaller than the 24-foot trailer in her front yard.


The gouge was 8 to 10 feet deep and 15 to 20 feet long, said Capt. Frank Monaco of the Pennsylvania State Police.


FBI Special Agent Bill Crowley said the recorder was found at about 4:20 p.m. in the 8-foot-deep crater caused by the crash.

Here are two of my favorites:

The plane left a crater 20 feet wide and 15 feet deep.


Reporters said the crater was about 40 feet wide and more than 8 feet deep.

And then there are these:

The impact of the crash left a crater estimated by authorities to be about 10 feet deep and 20 feet wide.


Pittsburgh's WTAE-TV reporter Michelle Wright toured the crash scene and said that a crater of about 30 to 40 feet long, 15 to 20 feet wide and 18 feet deep was created by the crash.


So is Capt. Frank Monaco calling Lensbouer a liar? The good Capt. said it was 8 to 10 feet deep and Lensbouer says 5 or 6. And what are we going to do with poor reporter Michelle who is calling everyone a liar and saying the crater was 18 foot deep?

Still, all pretty good considering the largest section of the plane was only 13 foot wide.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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The width of a Boeing 757 is 123+ feet. Nice try.

Brilliant Hoop, you just proved that the crater is no more 30 feet wide and too small to have been caused by a Boeing 757-222 that had a trajectory of 45 degrees and excess of 500 mph.
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posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by Shadow Herder
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The width of a Boeing 757 is 123+ feet. Nice try.

Brilliant Hoop, you just proved that the crater is no more 30 feet wide


That's 30 ft excluding the wing marks, With the wing marks the crater is obviously 124' 10" wide. No doubt about it.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 04:24 PM
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I knew immediately that no plane crashed in Shanksville. An even more sinister thought in my mind is....where are all of those people?



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 04:26 PM
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The width of a Boeing 757 is 123+ feet. Nice try.

Sorry, the wingspan is 123+ feet, the bulk of the plane is the fusealge which is only 13 feet in diameter. Nice try

Brilliant Hoop, you just proved that the crater is no more 30 feet wide and too small to have been caused by a Boeing 757-222 that had a trajectory of 45 degrees and excess of 500 mph.

Just proved that if you ask 20 people to look at a hole in the ground and guess its dimensions, you will get 20 answers. Try as you might, this is going nowhere for you. Here's a suggestion - try a little science. Tells exactly how large the hole should be, show you crater impact analysis calcualtions. You know everything you need to know. Its been 10 years, one little calculation shouldn't be that tough.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 05:36 PM
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Here is a real plane crash, No denying this.
This is a plane that crashed in Iran. It crashed in similar terrain as the alleged crash of Flight 93.


Here is the fake crash site of flight 93
. Looks like a bomb or missile was dropped towards the drainage ditch.

The crater in Shanksville was not caused by a Boeing 757. Research this yourself everywhere outside this site.

Thank you ladies and gentlemen.
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posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
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The width of a Boeing 757 is 123+ feet. Nice try.

Brilliant Hoop, you just proved that the crater is no more 30 feet wide


That's 30 ft excluding the wing marks, With the wing marks the crater is obviously 124' 10" wide. No doubt about it.


There is no wing marks or tail section marks... This was proven pages ago. Read before you comment. Thanks.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 06:42 PM
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So, nothing more scientific than "I don't think it looks right to me"? That's it? That's the totality of your argument? Oh, well - it looks right to me so therefore you are wrong.

Next.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by hooper
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So, nothing more scientific than "I don't think it looks right to me"? That's it? That's the totality of your argument? Oh, well - it looks right to me so therefore you are wrong.

Next.
Your the epitome of 911 troll.

Your last post was textbook.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by Shadow Herder

There is no wing marks or tail section marks... This was proven pages ago. Read before you comment. Thanks.


You are obviously mistaken the wing marks are easily visible in all photos of the crash site. You should really look at the photos before posting. Thanks.




posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 12:28 AM
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Originally posted by waypastvne
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Thanks for the picture that proves that the crater is too small to have been caused by a Boeing 757.


Notice the crater looks like a missile or bomb crater and not that of a Boeing 757 crash.
Great picture. What if oftentimes confused for wing scars are not. They are weathered impressions that was there before that circular 30 foot crater was created on 9/11 as you will see in the next picture.

The camera man is standing in the "wing scar" notice its anything but. It was not created on 911.




Here is another picture that shows you that was created on 911 was a small 30 foot crater no more than 10 feet deep.
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posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 03:57 AM
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Originally posted by Shadow Herder


Here is another picture that shows you that was created on 911 was a small 30 foot crater no more than 10 feet




So if the crater is 30' that would make the wing scars about 124' 10".....Right ?



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 07:50 AM
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You are not too smart. Maybe willfully ignorant.

Read the posts above. They are not wingscars.

Meh, kids.
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posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by Shadow Herder


Here is another picture that shows you that was created on 911 was a small 30 foot crater no more than 10 feet




So if the crater is 30' ?
What looks like wing scars were proven no to be. First responders say the crater (round) is only around 30 feet wide and 10 feet deep. Too small to have been caused by a Boeing commercial airliner. Fact.
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posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:29 AM
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Too small to have been caused by a Boeing commercial airliner. Fact.


Fact? Fine. Prove it. With numbers. Not incredulity. Not comparisons to other photos you can Google. With numbers. Otherwise its:

Opinion.

And not well educated opinion at that.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by Shadow Herder


First responders say the crater (round) is only around 30 feet wide and 10 feet deep. Too small to have been caused by a Boeing commercial airliner. Fact.


And the wing scars are 124' 10" wide the perfect width of a Boeing 757, and they line up perfectly with the information recorded on the FDR. Any intelligent person can look at all the information available and conclude FLT 93 crashed there fully intact. It's the dimwitted that have trouble connecting the dots.





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